BigO Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, nycdan said: I would value Teddy well higher than Fowler. I certainly wouldn't want to give them draft value on top of a swap. Problem is no GM is going to give you much for Teddy regardless how good he looks in preseason. The guy is coming off a horrendous knee injury and is damaged goods. If you can get an even swap for Fowler, you take it and RUN. I’d even throw in Lee for good measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, genot said: Mac isn't going to give up on Lee, who's going into his third season, and is asked to do much more than Fowler ever was asked to do. Lee had more tackles in his first four games last year than Fowler did the entire year. Fowler is a pass rusher. That's it. And no, I don't think that Lee has played up to level we expected with the 6th pick. Lee was the 20th pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, genot said: Mac isn't going to give up on Lee, who's going into his third season, and is asked to do much more than Fowler ever was asked to do. Lee had more tackles in his first four games last year than Fowler did the entire year. Fowler is a pass rusher. That's it. And no, I don't think that Lee has played up to level we expected with the 6th pick. More tackles or more missed tackles- that is the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, King P said: Was well aware of the lack of 2nd rounders, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 28 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said: I've reached out to Katy Perry to gauge her interest in spending the weekend with me in Vegas. Waiting for a response. I reached out to Aretha F to sing at my son's bday in Oct, waiting for her to get back to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Untouchable said: Lee was the 20th pick Damn, your right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Yeah Teddy will net us a first rounder but we can get fowler for a 5th. Jets fans haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardTodd27 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Not sure how we get a deal done with the Jags (aside from draft picks). They don't seem to have any glaring needs and are a Super Bowl contender. Pretty sure they value Bortles over Teddy and Fowler over Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Yeah maybe Robbie Anderson can take him under his wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, nycdan said: I would value Teddy well higher than Fowler. I certainly wouldn't want to give them draft value on top of a swap. Bortles sucks. As smart as the Jags GM has been developing that roster into one of the youngest, athletic and best rosters in the NFL, he has totally whiffed on getting a solid QB. With a good QB, that team could win multiple SB’s over the next 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: You guys ever wonder if trading for dudes that other teams want to get rid of is a good idea? We are always on the wrong end of that equation.Abraham, Farrior, Vilma ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 minute ago, The Crusher said: We are always on the wrong end of that equation.Abraham, Farrior, Vilma ... I mean we did turn Abraham into Mangold, so there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Warfish said: Was well aware of the lack of 2nd rounders, obviously. Well obviously you were, but so was the poster who said give them our 2nd rounder. He was joking and you treated his post like he was serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 25 minutes ago, King P said: Well obviously you were, but so was the poster who said give them our 2nd rounder. He was joking and you treated his post like he was serious I was piling on. I get that text isn't the best way to express the vagaries of sarcasm, but come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 27 minutes ago, The Crusher said: We are always on the wrong end of that equation.Abraham, Farrior, Vilma … Feels like it sometimes, but we traded Keyshawn for 2 1st round picks once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: I mean we did turn Abraham into Mangold, so there's that. We haven’t had an edge rusher since. Once again we put emphasis on non premium positions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, nycdan said: Feels like it sometimes, but we traded Keyshawn for 2 1st round picks once. Last time we drafted a true number one receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 42 minutes ago, The Crusher said: We are always on the wrong end of that equation.Abraham, Farrior, Vilma ... If we excise Lee, we excise the poorest LB in teh league. The above 3 demonstrated some actual ability and we played cheapskate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Lupz27 said: This is a non story, I’m sure the Jets did reach out to the Jags IF there was mutual interest with agreeable terms Manish story would be Jets traded for Dante Fowler, this is just Mack throwing Manish a bone, and to cover his ass that he his actively looking to fix the edge rush problem by letting everyone know he called Jax about Fowler, but talks went nowhere for it to be leaked to Manish. what benefit does "covering his ass" do? he's graded on wins and losses and direction of the team. this isn't horseshoes where close gets points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 I'd think Mac would be dangling Bridgewater. Jags are emulating the 2009 NY Jets with Bortles in the Mark Sanchez role. Maybe but if this is straight up for Teddy it would be a horrible move. Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, batman10023 said: what benefit does "covering his ass" do? he's graded on wins and losses and direction of the team. this isn't horseshoes where close gets points. Depends on who the judge is. Frankly I have no idea how Woody evaluates his front office given the decades of bewildering moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, nycdan said: I would value Teddy well higher than Fowler. I certainly wouldn't want to give them draft value on top of a swap. Absolutely right. Especially with the QB being a premium position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, GreenFish said: Darron Lee and a 5th for Fowler. Hewitt or Minter can start. And they get Lee who probably fits their defense better. 1 hour ago, Creepy Lurker said: Darron Lee has 1-2 years left on his contract. They may be able to pull off a straight up trade which would be incredible. 1 hour ago, Creepy Lurker said: The world of Jet Nation where I’ve seen some ridiculous trade scenarios lately. The only “bonus” to Lee is that he has more time left on his rookie deal and if they are fed up with Fowler, maybe that levels the trading playing field. It would clearly be a pick for Fowler but I just want Lee gone and to salvage whatever value we can. This is what you may call “wishful thinking” but not realistic. What on earth makes you think they want Lee? not only that, but they're fine -- more than fine -- at ILB. Are you interested in some spun out LB from DET? or another random underachieving corner from OAK? no. So why do you think they would just "take" Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jetmech said: Maybe but if this is straight up for Teddy it would be a horrible move. Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk i'd want to get a OL for Teddy. i know pass rusher is a premium position but i want to give Sam all the help he can get in his rookie year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Paradis said: What on earth makes you think they want Lee? not only that, but they're fine -- more than fine -- at ILB. Do you some spun out LB from DET? or another random underachieving corner from OAK? no. So why do you think they would just "take" Lee Once in a generation or so, we get a trade like CLE taking Brett Ratliff, Abram Elam and some other scrub I can't even remember to let us move up from 13 to 5 in the first round. People sometimes forget that there's only one CLE in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Teddy B. for Fowler and a 4th rounder. Make it happen, Tanny!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, batman10023 said: i'd want to get a OL for Teddy. i know pass rusher is a premium position but i want to give Sam all the help he can get in his rookie year. have you looked around the league? We got tackles from University of Texas at Anchorage starting for NFL teams... there's no OL depth. Anywhere. There's been veritable drought of quality tackles in the last 5-6 years -- and we wouldn't get a starting OT for a 1st rounder if we tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, nycdan said: Once in a generation or so, we get a trade like CLE taking Brett Ratliff, Abram Elam and some other scrub I can't even remember to let us move up from 13 to 5 in the first round. People sometimes forget that there's only one CLE in the league. Tom Coughlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Paradis said: What on earth makes you think they want Lee? not only that, but they're fine -- more than fine -- at ILB. Are you interested in some spun out LB from DET? or another random underachieving corner from OAK? no. So why do you think they would just "take" Lee WISHFUL THINKING. I’m sure they don’t want Lee but sometimes a scheme change or a high grade from the 2016 draft board plays into these type of decisions. The only ADVANTAGE that Lee has is in regards to time length on contract where we could lose Fowler after this season if we don’t use the 5th year option. They shouldn’t want Lee because he sucks but these sort of things happen. That’s all I’m trying to say. I’ve bashed Lee plenty of times and I’m not a fan. Just bringing up a point. I don’t know how much more clear I have to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Look at that bend... those hands.... Ohh yesss.... GET ME MY GATOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Creepy Lurker said: That’s all I’m trying to say. I’ve bashed Lee plenty of times and I’m not a fan. Just bringing up a point. I don’t know how much more clear I have to be. Never bring up Lee again. There, problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 If I can trade Teddy for Fowler without having to give up any extra draft capital I'm sprinting to make that deal. Add a good edge presence to this defense and we might make some serious strides in the right direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Also I wouldn't trade a spare tire and a broken bowling pin for Darron Lee no shot the Jags want anything to do with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Lupz27 said: This is a non story, I’m sure the Jets did reach out to the Jags IF there was mutual interest with agreeable terms Manish story would be Jets traded for Dante Fowler, this is just Mack throwing Manish a bone, and to cover his ass that he his actively looking to fix the edge rush problem by letting everyone know he called Jax about Fowler, but talks went nowhere for it to be leaked to Manish. That's possible. Another take is that Coffee in Hand reached out to the Jags and now the Jags are thinking about what they may want in return. Deals take time and sometimes leaks only know so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 i'd want to get a OL for Teddy. i know pass rusher is a premium position but i want to give Sam all the help he can get in his rookie year.I agree. Fowler hasn't done a thing and there is no reason to trade Teddy before the season starts. October 30 is the trade deadline.Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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