Jets Investigating Unprecedented Injury Crisis

[Barry McCockinner]

https://nypost.com/2020/01/01/jets-investigating-their-unprecedented-injury-crisis/amp/

I would paste the article but it's not working on phone for some reason. They need to bring back Sal.

 

 

 

Joe Douglas and Adam GaseBill Kostroun

The Jets had a staggering amount of injuries. Here are some eye-popping numbers:

• They used a franchise-record 73 players. Only the Dolphins and Redskins used more this season.
• They had 20 players wind up on injured reserve.
• They used 11 starting offensive linemen. They had nine starting combinations on the line. They had three starters each at left guard and right guard.
• They used four quarterbacks and three starting quarterbacks. It was the first time since 2005 they had four quarterbacks take a snap.

Four players viewed as key starters in the preseason ended up playing two games or less — ILB C.J. Mosley (2 games), TE Chris Herndon (1 game), WR Quincy Enunwa (1 game) and ILB Avery Williamson (0 games).

• The Jets used six starting cornerbacks on the outside (not counting nickel corner Brian Poole). They used five starting inside linebackers.

All of this contributed to the Jets’ 7-9 season. They failed to overcome many of these injuries in the first half of the season but handled them much better in the second half.

The Jets need to consider whether changes need to be made to their medical or strength and conditioning staffs, although Gase indicated that is highly unlikely.

Practice rules in the NFL are highly regulated by the collective bargaining agreement. There are limits on offseason practices and how often you can wear pads in practice. That makes it unlikely Gase is running practice any differently than other teams when it comes to contact and the length of practices.

“Without having all of the facts, my initial thought is that this year is a bit of anomaly as far as the amount of injuries that we sustained as an organization, as a team,” Douglas said. “We are in the midst of that research; we are doing a deep dive to as far to what we can do to prevent this from happening again and what we need to implement to make sure that this amount of injuries doesn’t happen.

 

[pajet]

Thanks for posting....good to know they are looking into this further

[xboxjets]

Jets investigating their unprecedented injury crisis

By Brian Costello

January 1, 2020 | 7:18pm

The Jets injury problem was so bad in 2019 that the trainer’s room barely had enough space for all of the rehabbing players, who had to schedule their times with trainers to avoid a logjam.

Now, the Jets are trying to figure out if there was a reason for all of those injuries or if it was just bad luck. Jets coach Adam Gase said they began looking at what was causing all the injuries about two months ago.

“I wish it was cut and dry and say, ‘Hey we had 15 hamstrings,’ ” Gase said. “But we’re having season-ending-type injuries. We’ve had discussions with the training room, strength and conditioning; [general manager] Joe [Douglas] and I have had conversations; we’ve talked to other people. We’re going to continue to take deeper dives and all that when we meet with the staff as far as was it practice schedule, training camp, offseason. Is it something we’re doing during the season? We’re combing through everything because we can’t have this happen again.”

Joe Douglas and Adam GaseBill Kostroun

The Jets had a staggering amount of injuries. Here are some eye-popping numbers:

• They used a franchise-record 73 players. Only the Dolphins and Redskins used more this season.
• They had 20 players wind up on injured reserve.
• They used 11 starting offensive linemen. They had nine starting combinations on the line. They had three starters each at left guard and right guard.
• They used four quarterbacks and three starting quarterbacks. It was the first time since 2005 they had four quarterbacks take a snap.

Four players viewed as key starters in the preseason ended up playing two games or less — ILB C.J. Mosley (2 games), TE Chris Herndon (1 game), WR Quincy Enunwa (1 game) and ILB Avery Williamson (0 games).

• The Jets used six starting cornerbacks on the outside (not counting nickel corner Brian Poole). They used five starting inside linebackers.

All of this contributed to the Jets’ 7-9 season. They failed to overcome many of these injuries in the first half of the season but handled them much better in the second half.

see also

Jets' Joe Douglas is on the clock

The Jets need to consider whether changes need to be made to their medical or strength and conditioning staffs, although Gase indicated that is highly unlikely.

Practice rules in the NFL are highly regulated by the collective bargaining agreement. There are limits on offseason practices and how often you can wear pads in practice. That makes it unlikely Gase is running practice any differently than other teams when it comes to contact and the length of practices.

“Without having all of the facts, my initial thought is that this year is a bit of anomaly as far as the amount of injuries that we sustained as an organization, as a team,” Douglas said. “We are in the midst of that research; we are doing a deep dive to as far to what we can do to prevent this from happening again and what we need to implement to make sure that this amount of injuries doesn’t happen.”

The Jets have plenty of priorities this offseason. Figuring out a solution to their injury issue, if there is one, should be near the top of the list.

 

[jetstream23]

But Gase should have gotten this M.A.S.H unit to .500!

?

[dbatesman]

32 minutes ago, xboxjets said:

The Jets need to consider whether changes need to be made to their medical or strength and conditioning staffs, although Gase indicated that is highly unlikely.

Oh, good

[Fantasy Island]

Injuries follow Gase like tacos.

[dbatesman]

30 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

But Gase should have gotten this M.A.S.H unit to .500!

?

Gase’s teams are M.A.S.H. units every year. 

[joewilly12]

I blame the mountain lion. 

1.  3 mountain lions put down in Arizona after feeding on human remains 

 

[JohnnyLV]

The assumption should NOT be that this is an anamoly, rather the thought should he that there is something wrong and dig until you find it. Even if is a one-off at the end of the process the entire department will be better.

[playtowinthegame]

2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

https://nypost.com/2020/01/01/jets-investigating-their-unprecedented-injury-crisis/amp/

I would paste the article but it's not working on phone for some reason. They need to bring back Sal.

Saul Goodman will be back February 23. 

Can't wait.

[Maxman]

18 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Gase’s teams are M.A.S.H. units every year. 

That is the biggest concern. The odds are tough enough but if Gase is making this problem worse through conditioning or whatever, that is beyond bad.

I hope they keep an open mind and make whatever changes are needed to prevent injuries as much as possible.

[jeremy2020]

They weren't even in like the top 5 injured teams this season..I wouldn't expect there to be a lot of solid 'reasons' or changes that make an impact. I'd also slow the roll on it changing the overall wins.

[playtowinthegame]

23 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Gase’s teams are M.A.S.H. units every year. 

Is there an article with factual information that supports this claim?

[Beerfish]

Manish Beerfish:  Headline:  "Team Hates Playing For Gase!  Fakes Injuries!"

[playtowinthegame]

Jets already were a mess in the injury department according to SportFacts.

[T0mShane]

16 minutes ago, Maxman said:

That is the biggest concern. The odds are tough enough but if Gase is making this problem worse through conditioning or whatever, that is beyond bad.

I hope they keep an open mind and make whatever changes are needed to prevent injuries as much as possible.

It’s because he’s putting an eyedrop of mercury into their soup every day to gain attention for his plight 

[HawkeyeJet]

So I've tried finding something to verify this, but haven't been successful.

I swear I recall Damien Woody questioning the amount of off days and "light days" Gase allowed during the season and potentially TC .  

I think the immediate reaction to this story is Gase is too hard on them.  Is it possible it's the opposite?  They don't do enough game speed type stuff so when the live rounds really start flying, the bodies aren't ready?

Just a thought, I tried finding what I thought I remembered being said, but couldn't.

[joewilly12]

CBA practice and training rules and regulations should come under fire. 

Players practicing in shorts and t-shirts is not conditioning them for real NFL hard hitting football. 

[Maxman]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

It’s because he’s putting an eyedrop of mercury into their soup every day to gain attention for his plight 

Link?

[Maxman]

27 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

CBA practice and training rules and regulations should come under fire. 

Players practicing in shorts and t-shirts is not conditioning them for real NFL hard hitting football. 

The Jets have more injured players than everyone else. There is still a local aspect to this issue.

[Warfish]

The use of unprecedented here is truly unprecedented.

[Maxman]

1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said:

They weren't even in like the top 5 injured teams this season..I wouldn't expect there to be a lot of solid 'reasons' or changes that make an impact. I'd also slow the roll on it changing the overall wins.

The Jets weren't?

 

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, Maxman said:

That is the biggest concern. The odds are tough enough but if Gase is making this problem worse through conditioning or whatever, that is beyond bad.

I hope they keep an open mind and make whatever changes are needed to prevent injuries as much as possible.

I’d start with not drafting guys who just retired. 

[Warfish]

9 minutes ago, Maxman said:

The Jets weren't?

The Jets lost 22 Players for a total of 199 weeks of play at a cost of $33 mil. in Cap Space.

The Redskins lost 26 Players for a total of 252 weeks of play at a cost of $49 mil. of Cap Space.

We were, depending on the metric, the 2nd most injured team in 2019.

Others lost more weeks, but less cap.  Others lost a similar number of players, but again, for less cap.

[Warfish]

For the Details:

The Jets Lost to IR:

Avery Williamson	ILB	NYJ	Knee ACL	17	$7,999,996	$5,999,997
Trumaine Johnson	CB	NYJ	Ankle	8	$5,647,056	$3,764,704
Ryan Kalil	C	NYJ	Knee	7	$3,458,826	$988,232
C.J. Mosley	ILB	NYJ	Groin	4	$3,058,824	$235,296
Brian Winters	G	NYJ	Shoulder	7	$2,676,471	$2,470,587
Quincy Enunwa	WR	NYJ	Neck	16	$2,635,296	$941,184
Trevor Siemian	QB	NYJ	Ankle	15	$1,764,705	$882,360
Josh Bellamy	WR	NYJ	Foot	8	$1,294,120	$437,648
Rontez Miles	FS	NYJ	Neck	8	$897,408	$897,408
Kenneth Dixon	RB	NYJ	Undisclosed	17	$807,398	$720,001
Charles Tapper	DE	NYJ	Undisclosed	17	$644,997	$644,997
Jalin Moore	RB	NYJ	Ankle	17	$377,995	$377,995
Albert McClellan	ILB	NYJ	Concussion	9	$341,469	$426,177
Trenton Cannon	RB	NYJ	Foot	9	$320,193	$301,761
Blake Cashman	LB	NYJ	Shoulder	9	$302,175	$262,062
Chris Herndon	TE	NYJ	Ribs	7	$252,707	$179,480
Ryan Griffin	TE	NYJ	Ankle	3	$239,889	$176,472
Alex Lewis	G	NYJ	Ankle	1	$119,118	$119,118
Chuma Edoga	T	NYJ	Knee	2	$83,736	$58,236
Kyron Brown	CB	NYJ	Undisclosed	3	$35,970	$35,970
Jeff Smith	WR	NYJ	Ankle	2	$10,276	$10,276
John Franklin-Myers	DE	NYJ	Undisclosed	13	$0	$0

 

The Redskins Lost to IR:

Alex Smith	QB	WAS	Leg	17	$20,400,000	$15,000,001
Trent Williams	LT	WAS	Undisclosed	8 (16)	$6,860,712	$5,105,880
Jordan Reed	TE	WAS	Concussion	12	$6,828,792	$5,414,820
Ryan Kerrigan	OLB	WAS	Calf	3	$2,461,764	$1,852,941
Vernon Davis	TE	WAS	Concussion	6	$2,206,620	$1,658,826
Brandon Scherff	G	WAS	Elbow	2	$1,473,530	$1,473,530
Reuben Foster	ILB	WAS	Knee ACL	17	$1,286,390	$1,286,390
Paul Richardson	WR	WAS	Hamstring	3	$1,273,896	$855,882
Bryce Love	RB	WAS	Undisclosed	17	$683,587	$495,006
Derrius Guice	RB	WAS	Knee/Knee MCL	11	$667,931	$444,180
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie	CB	WAS	Leg	15	$608,820	$908,820
Caleb Brantley	DE	WAS	Foot	16	$607,056	$607,056
Greg Stroman	CB	WAS	Groin	16	$554,304	$536,464
Jordan Brailford	OLB	WAS	Undisclosed	17	$513,638	$495,006
Danny Johnson	CB	WAS	Undisclosed/Hand	15	$502,201	$499,261
Josh Woodrum	QB	WAS	Pectoral	17	$495,006	$495,006
Myles Humphrey	DE	WAS	Knee	17	$495,006	$495,006
Deshazor Everett	SS	WAS	Shoulder	4	$405,884	$288,236
Jerome Cunningham	TE	WAS	Knee	11	$343,706	$343,706
Quinton Dunbar	CB	WAS	Hamstring	1	$235,846	$170,588
Jehu Chesson	WR	WAS	Undisclosed	12	$96,000	$96,000
Trey Quinn	WR	WAS	Concussion	2	$69,090	$67,058
Jimmy Moreland	CB	WAS	Foot	2	$61,114	$58,236
Fabian Moreau	CB	WAS	Hamstring	1	$52,373	$40,235
Cassanova Mckinzy	OLB	WAS	Undisclosed	9	$50,823	$50,823
Montae Nicholson	S	WAS	Ankle	1	$47,043	$37,941

 

Looking at each list, yeah, I'd say the Skins had it materially worse than we did.  /shrug, unprecedented!

[playtowinthegame]

6 minutes ago, Warfish said:

For the Details:

The Jets Lost to IR:

Avery Williamson	ILB	NYJ	Knee ACL	17	$7,999,996	$5,999,997
Trumaine Johnson	CB	NYJ	Ankle	8	$5,647,056	$3,764,704
Ryan Kalil	C	NYJ	Knee	7	$3,458,826	$988,232
C.J. Mosley	ILB	NYJ	Groin	4	$3,058,824	$235,296
Brian Winters	G	NYJ	Shoulder	7	$2,676,471	$2,470,587
Quincy Enunwa	WR	NYJ	Neck	16	$2,635,296	$941,184
Trevor Siemian	QB	NYJ	Ankle	15	$1,764,705	$882,360
Josh Bellamy	WR	NYJ	Foot	8	$1,294,120	$437,648
Rontez Miles	FS	NYJ	Neck	8	$897,408	$897,408
Kenneth Dixon	RB	NYJ	Undisclosed	17	$807,398	$720,001
Charles Tapper	DE	NYJ	Undisclosed	17	$644,997	$644,997
Jalin Moore	RB	NYJ	Ankle	17	$377,995	$377,995
Albert McClellan	ILB	NYJ	Concussion	9	$341,469	$426,177
Trenton Cannon	RB	NYJ	Foot	9	$320,193	$301,761
Blake Cashman	LB	NYJ	Shoulder	9	$302,175	$262,062
Chris Herndon	TE	NYJ	Ribs	7	$252,707	$179,480
Ryan Griffin	TE	NYJ	Ankle	3	$239,889	$176,472
Alex Lewis	G	NYJ	Ankle	1	$119,118	$119,118
Chuma Edoga	T	NYJ	Knee	2	$83,736	$58,236
Kyron Brown	CB	NYJ	Undisclosed	3	$35,970	$35,970
Jeff Smith	WR	NYJ	Ankle	2	$10,276	$10,276
John Franklin-Myers	DE	NYJ	Undisclosed	13	$0	$0

 

The Redskins Lost to IR:

Alex Smith	QB	WAS	Leg	17	$20,400,000	$15,000,001
Trent Williams	LT	WAS	Undisclosed	8 (16)	$6,860,712	$5,105,880
Jordan Reed	TE	WAS	Concussion	12	$6,828,792	$5,414,820
Ryan Kerrigan	OLB	WAS	Calf	3	$2,461,764	$1,852,941
Vernon Davis	TE	WAS	Concussion	6	$2,206,620	$1,658,826
Brandon Scherff	G	WAS	Elbow	2	$1,473,530	$1,473,530
Reuben Foster	ILB	WAS	Knee ACL	17	$1,286,390	$1,286,390
Paul Richardson	WR	WAS	Hamstring	3	$1,273,896	$855,882
Bryce Love	RB	WAS	Undisclosed	17	$683,587	$495,006
Derrius Guice	RB	WAS	Knee/Knee MCL	11	$667,931	$444,180
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie	CB	WAS	Leg	15	$608,820	$908,820
Caleb Brantley	DE	WAS	Foot	16	$607,056	$607,056
Greg Stroman	CB	WAS	Groin	16	$554,304	$536,464
Jordan Brailford	OLB	WAS	Undisclosed	17	$513,638	$495,006
Danny Johnson	CB	WAS	Undisclosed/Hand	15	$502,201	$499,261
Josh Woodrum	QB	WAS	Pectoral	17	$495,006	$495,006
Myles Humphrey	DE	WAS	Knee	17	$495,006	$495,006
Deshazor Everett	SS	WAS	Shoulder	4	$405,884	$288,236
Jerome Cunningham	TE	WAS	Knee	11	$343,706	$343,706
Quinton Dunbar	CB	WAS	Hamstring	1	$235,846	$170,588
Jehu Chesson	WR	WAS	Undisclosed	12	$96,000	$96,000
Trey Quinn	WR	WAS	Concussion	2	$69,090	$67,058
Jimmy Moreland	CB	WAS	Foot	2	$61,114	$58,236
Fabian Moreau	CB	WAS	Hamstring	1	$52,373	$40,235
Cassanova Mckinzy	OLB	WAS	Undisclosed	9	$50,823	$50,823
Montae Nicholson	S	WAS	Ankle	1	$47,043	$37,941

 

Looking at each list, yeah, I'd say the Skins had it materially worse than we did.  /shrug, unprecedented!

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/injured-reserve/

[Welp]

Considering what happened with Trent Williams I don't think anyone would think the Redskin's medical staff is a model of excellence. And if the Jets are on that level with their staff I would think a large overhaul should be considered.

[dbatesman]

2 hours ago, Maxman said:

That is the biggest concern. The odds are tough enough but if Gase is making this problem worse through conditioning or whatever, that is beyond bad.

I hope they keep an open mind and make whatever changes are needed to prevent injuries as much as possible.

Agreed. I was encouraged by the title of the article, because given the history, it seems like there’s something there. But then Gase said changes to the training and S&C staff are highly unlikely, and Douglas said he thinks it’s an anomaly. So...what are they investigating, exactly?

[dbatesman]

1 hour ago, playtowinthegame said:

Is there an article with factual information that supports this claim?

https://forums.jetnation.com/topic/148473-gase-and-injuries/

[Jet_Engine1]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

It’s because he’s putting an eyedrop of mercury into their soup every day to gain attention for his plight 

Theres nothing like a good Munchausen by Proxy joke!!

 

Hold on, I have to find out what John Boyega said....

[Warfish]

9 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/injured-reserve/

Yup, thank you, that was my source.

Also important to point out, this is IR Weeks.  It's not all injuries or all time missed.

For example, Mosley missed basically all year, but was only on IR for a few weeks late.

There are a number of those for both the Redskins and Jets.  Non-IR stuff is harder to source without doing alot of the data crunching yourself (and screw that, lol).

Both teams certainly were beat up badly this season.

[MS jets Fan]

More to be revealed after the team does it's research.   Physiology is hard to predict there are always strengths and weaknesses that will go undetected even with all this great technology. 

[Chrebetfan80]

2 hours ago, Maxman said:

That is the biggest concern. The odds are tough enough but if Gase is making this problem worse through conditioning or whatever, that is beyond bad.

I hope they keep an open mind and make whatever changes are needed to prevent injuries as much as possible.

They've already talked about it and are looking deep into practice scheduling and structure in terms of conditioning and time spent on the field.  The biggest look has to be into Strenght and conditioning.  The amount of catastrophic season ending injuries makes me believe there isnt enough joint stability and connective tissue strengthening going on.  They have all the metrics though.. The catapult system that they have adopted (this year i believe? possibly last year) gives them advanced metrics on everything the players are doing.  Not many teams are as well set up as the jets are in terms of resources spent on player preparation.  

[Prestige Worldwide]

2 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

I blame the mountain lion. 

1.  3 mountain lions put down in Arizona after feeding on human remains 

 

If the lion had a better line and the arizona fish and game department didnt get mono. The lions would never have fed on human remains

[pdxgreen]

Saw this on Youtbe a whole ago.  I dont @#@ about training.  But I did wrestle in HS and did offseason club training where literally run 6 miles, do stadium stairs then another mile and then fall down and vomit.  Then get up and do stations for another 5 hours... every day.  It never occurred to me that there was another school of thought out there other than the "Bear Bryant School Of Pain."  But when you take into consideration the amount of athlete that train at a high level to maximize their endurance... they will have recurring injuries from all the "wear and tear" on their bodies.  Just makes perfect sense to me.