Trading Up

[SR24]

It's no secret we need an OT and as these mock drafts keep flying out the one thing I'm noticing is how far apart the Tier 1 OT's (Wills,Thomas and Wirfs) are from the Tier 2 OT's. Based on who's ahead of us I'd say 5 teams are in the mix for the 3 OTs (DET,CLE,NYG,JAX and ARI)  Having said that would you trade our #11 and #79 to Arizona for #8? Or the same trade to Jax but we'd receieve a later pick to get #9. Our chance at an OT greatly increases but if we somehow miss out we should have Jeudy or Lamb there as well.  

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

I used this to make the trade 

Edit- I personally wouldn't make this trade before yall start flaming me lol but I think it's a fair question given our needs and the way the OL talent in the draft is starting to come together

[section314]

We need to acquire talent all across the roster. We should be in the business of acquiring more picks, not giving them up.

[Warfish]

Just now, section314 said:

We need to acquire talent all across the roster. We should be in the business of acquiring more picks, not giving them up.

This.

My preference this offseason is a proper rebuild.  Shake loose under-performing, old, luxury position, and/or overpriced talent, and rebuild from the trenches up.

I strongly support trading Adams (a luxury position soon to be overpriced) for multiple picks including at least one #1 pick.

I strongly support picking BAP WR/O-Line at the spots we have.  Trade downs are generally a pipe dream in many drafts, so while it would be nice to move down and still get what we want, I don't think it'll happen.

First four rounds, we should be able to get three O-linemen and two WR's if we trade Adams.  I make that move in a heartbeat.

[JTJet]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

First four rounds, we should be able to get three O-linemen and two WR's if we trade Adams.  I make that move in a heartbeat.

All day, every day.

[SR24]

4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

This.

My preference this offseason is a proper rebuild.  Shake loose under-performing, old, luxury position, and/or overpriced talent, and rebuild from the trenches up.

I strongly support trading Adams (a luxury position soon to be overpriced) for multiple picks including at least one #1 pick.

I strongly support picking BAP WR/O-Line at the spots we have.  Trade downs are generally a pipe dream in many drafts, so while it would be nice to move down and still get what we want, I don't think it'll happen.

First four rounds, we should be able to get three O-linemen and two WR's if we trade Adams.  I make that move in a heartbeat.

I lean this way as well and would 100% trade Jamal. My question is what do you do at 11 if Lamb,Jeudy and the 3 OTs are gone?  There's no OT with a 1st round grade and the top centers have late 1st round early 2nd rnd grades. I'd gladly take Epenesa but I know half of the people on here would lose their minds lol

[RoadFan]

Stay put. 

Take the best available player at a core position of need;  OL, CB, edge rusher, WR.

Not the supposed best player available,  period.  That philosophy obviously doesn't work.  There are enough lousy franchises selecting ahead of the Jets, one or two of them will do something silly... allowing quality players to slip.

[section314]

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

This.

My preference this offseason is a proper rebuild.  Shake loose under-performing, old, luxury position, and/or overpriced talent, and rebuild from the trenches up.

I strongly support trading Adams (a luxury position soon to be overpriced) for multiple picks including at least one #1 pick.

I strongly support picking BAP WR/O-Line at the spots we have.  Trade downs are generally a pipe dream in many drafts, so while it would be nice to move down and still get what we want, I don't think it'll happen.

First four rounds, we should be able to get three O-linemen and two WR's if we trade Adams.  I make that move in a heartbeat.

Me too. It's so Jets to finally draft a guy who is both All Pro and Pro Bowl, but he's not a pass rusher, Olineman  or skill offensive guy.

[FTL Jet Fan]

Same sh*t every year trade up or trade down. We have no idea what these guys will do, however some poster would have drafted better than past GM’s.

[SR24]

2 minutes ago, section314 said:

Me too. It's so Jets to finally draft a guy who is both All Pro and Pro Bowl, but he's not a pass rusher, Olineman  or skill offensive guy.

Yep it sucks but if I can get #18 from Dallas and #82 I'm pulling the trigger. 2 1sts, a 2nd and 3 3rd round picks+ 30-40 mil in cap space can go a long long way into rebuilding our offense, as well as improving our edge and cb rooms

[Untouchable]

I wouldn’t be against trading one of our 3rd’s to move up.

I generally agree that we need more picks, not less.

But let’s face it, it’s far from guaranteed that one of the top OT’s or WR’s falls to us.

If we could trade that 3rd rounder from the Giants along with #11 and move up to #7 or #8 thus virtually guaranteeing that we walk away with either Thomas, Wirfs, Wills, Jeudy or Lamb...then why not?

What will it have cost us? Moving on from Leonard Williams?

[Barry McCockinner]

[slats]

5 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

I wouldn’t be against trading one of our 3rd’s to move up.

I generally agree that we need more picks, not less.

But let’s face it, it’s far from guaranteed that one of the top OT’s or WR’s falls to us.

No interest in trading up, and I hope they have no interest, either. It's a strong OL and WR draft. There will be OL and WRs taken outside of the first round who go onto having better careers than some of the guys taken in the first. They should just stick to their board. 

And if all of the top three OTs and two WRs are gone by #11, that could very well mean that one of the QBs fell. With three teams directly behind the Jets who could be very interested in a QB, they could be in an excellent position to trade down from there, collecting more picks, which should be a goal. 

[32EBoozer]

Hope that some "FLASHY New Toy" doesw well in the combine and rockets up the draft boards and pushes our LT down the board to us. Or hope our big ugly OT has a bad bench press/ 3 cone (see Metcalf) or 40 time and fall into our laps.

[joewilly12]

25 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

Stay put. 

Take the best available player at a core position of need;  OL, CB, edge rusher, WR.

Not the supposed best player available,  period.  That philosophy obviously doesn't work.  There are enough lousy franchises selecting ahead of the Jets, one or two of them will do something silly... allowing quality players to slip.

Exactly and get an immediate impact player. 

[Warfish]

32 minutes ago, SR24 said:

I lean this way as well and would 100% trade Jamal. My question is what do you do at 11 if Lamb,Jeudy and the 3 OTs are gone? 

I'm not going to worry about that till it happens, because I do not believe, when all is said and done, that it is going to happen.

If it does, you look at BAP WR/O-Line in that spot first.

If there is literally nothing that isn't a huge reach, you look Edge perhaps?  Or trade down (doubtful).

I've said it before, I'll also take a "late 1st round grade" O-Lineman over a "mid-first round grade" player at a position we do not need.  But too many variables at this point, it's too early to be definitive.

32 minutes ago, SR24 said:

There's no OT with a 1st round grade and the top centers have late 1st round early 2nd rnd grades. I'd gladly take Epenesa but I know half of the people on here would lose their minds lol

 

[Warfish]

36 minutes ago, section314 said:

Me too. It's so Jets to finally draft a guy who is both All Pro and Pro Bowl, but he's not a pass rusher, Olineman  or skill offensive guy.

I'll say this:  Adams is a good pass rusher and forces fumbles well.  He's not as good (IMO) in coverage and he flat out sucks at making INT's.

If we want to pay him, and keep him, fine, but move him to EDGE/OLB and get the most out of him at what he's truly good at.  Stopping the run and rushing the passer.  

Then put someone who really is good in coverage back at the other Safety spot.  The "Strong Safety" concept doesn't really exist like it used to, most teams use two coverage safeties these days, rightfully so in a pure passing-driven league.

Adams is an anachronism.  If we're going to keep him, convert him to OLB/EDGE, let him cover the occasional TE, and have him rushing from every angle on most plays.

JMO, /shrug.

[JiF]

As much as I'm against trading Jamal, I'd trade him to acquire more picks before I'm trading picks away to move up in the draft.  This is a deep draft at OL and WR.  The Jets should legitimately come away with 3 potential starters on OL and 2 potential starters at WR in the first 4 rounds.  

[Beerfish]

33 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

Same sh*t every year trade up or trade down. We have no idea what these guys will do, however some poster would have drafted better than past GM’s.

Well it is an inconvenient truth the last sentence of yours.  I would not even say 'some poster'.  I would say 95% of all posters on this site that even remotely follow the draft would have drafted better than mccagnan over his 5 year period.  I am being totally serious.

[genot]

It's funny. I'm dead set against trading Adams, unless it's to trade up for a Chase Young. All the other trade scenarios runs the huge risk of obtaining non-contributors or average NFL talent. You trade an Adams, you want as close to a sure thing as possible.

[slats]

7 minutes ago, Warfish said:

If we want to pay him, and keep him, fine, but move him to EDGE/OLB and get the most out of him at what he's truly good at.  Stopping the run and rushing the passer.

Two things... 

First, officially moving Adams to OLB/Edge would significantly increase his salary demands (the franchise number for a DE was over $17M last year, OLB over $15M, and safety just over $11M). 

Second, I suspect Mosley and Williamson coming back will change the way they (need to) use Adams next season. 

[slimjasi]

This draft is too deep at WR and OL to trade up. 

[derp]

I do think that is a viable possibility. Wouldn’t like it but I’d get it. And it’s easy to see how the board falls and make that call.

I think it’s also possible that Douglas really likes an athletic tackle - Jackson, Jones - and trades down to grab him. Basically try to replicate what Philly did last year.

[Warfish]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

Two things... 

First, officially moving Adams to OLB/Edge would significantly increase his salary demands (the franchise number for a DE was over $17M last year, OLB over $15M, and safety just over $11M). 

Second, I suspect Mosley and Williamson coming back will change the way they (need to) use Adams next season. 

You're quite right on salary.  But if he is as good as an elite Edge, and he might just be, it's worth it regardless of if it's him playing Edge or some draft or FA edge, right?

I agree fully on point #2, with a full healthy LB Corp Adams will have to move back to playing Safety and his production will (likely) materially decline in 2020 barring yet more injuries.  JMO.

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, SR24 said:

It's no secret we need an OT and as these mock drafts keep flying out the one thing I'm noticing is how far apart the Tier 1 OT's (Wills,Thomas and Wirfs) are from the Tier 2 OT's. Based on who's ahead of us I'd say 5 teams are in the mix for the 3 OTs (DET,CLE,NYG,JAX and ARI)  Having said that would you trade our #11 and #79 to Arizona for #8? Or the same trade to Jax but we'd receieve a later pick to get #9. Our chance at an OT greatly increases but if we somehow miss out we should have Jeudy or Lamb there as well.  

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

I used this to make the trade 

Edit- I personally wouldn't make this trade before yall start flaming me lol but I think it's a fair question given our needs and the way the OL talent in the draft is starting to come together

Nope.

I've said this in a couple threads in the Draft Forum.  If we miss on the Tier 1 OT's then we need to "take what the Draft gives us" which will likely be a WR or a trade-down opportunity because some other good players slide down the Board.  If anything, I'd support a trade up possibly from the 2nd round spot (#48).  Let's say the best OT's are gone before #11 and someone like CeeDee Lamb is on the Board.....great player, Top 10 talent, position of need....he checks all the boxes.  The Jets should take him and then start looking at ways to climb from #48 into the range that could get them one of the second Tier OT's like Jackson, Becton, Prince Wanogho, etc.  I don't want to give up a lot....maybe that later 3rd rounder, but if it gets us a potential starting LT then make the move.  Checking off both WR and LT, and still having one of the 3rd round picks to hit OG, Edge, CB is something I'd be fine with.

[Jets723]

1 hour ago, SR24 said:

It's no secret we need an OT and as these mock drafts keep flying out the one thing I'm noticing is how far apart the Tier 1 OT's (Wills,Thomas and Wirfs) are from the Tier 2 OT's. Based on who's ahead of us I'd say 5 teams are in the mix for the 3 OTs (DET,CLE,NYG,JAX and ARI)  Having said that would you trade our #11 and #79 to Arizona for #8? Or the same trade to Jax but we'd receieve a later pick to get #9. Our chance at an OT greatly increases but if we somehow miss out we should have Jeudy or Lamb there as well.  

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

I used this to make the trade 

Edit- I personally wouldn't make this trade before yall start flaming me lol but I think it's a fair question given our needs and the way the OL talent in the draft is starting to come together

Trading up is the worst possible thing, we can’t afford to lose picks.  If possible we should look to gain more picks 

[Thai Jet]

1 hour ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

Same sh*t every year trade up or trade down. We have no idea what these guys will do, however some poster would have drafted better than past GM’s.

It's ALWAYS easier post facto isn't it ? lol

[Thai Jet]

4 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

Trading up is the worst possible thing, we can’t afford to lose picks.  If possible we should look to gain more picks 

THIS !  Too many areas of need. Like others have stated we need to gain picks not lose them.

[Copernicus]

1 hour ago, SR24 said:

It's no secret we need an OT and as these mock drafts keep flying out the one thing I'm noticing is how far apart the Tier 1 OT's (Wills,Thomas and Wirfs) are from the Tier 2 OT's. Based on who's ahead of us I'd say 5 teams are in the mix for the 3 OTs (DET,CLE,NYG,JAX and ARI)  Having said that would you trade our #11 and #79 to Arizona for #8? Or the same trade to Jax but we'd receieve a later pick to get #9. Our chance at an OT greatly increases but if we somehow miss out we should have Jeudy or Lamb there as well.  

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

I used this to make the trade 

Edit- I personally wouldn't make this trade before yall start flaming me lol but I think it's a fair question given our needs and the way the OL talent in the draft is starting to come together

For a possible franchise QB it would be worth the extra pick. With the amount of players that dont live up to their high draft status I would not trade up for just about anyone. We need way too much. I would trade down if possible

[KRL]

7 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

Trading up is the worst possible thing, we can’t afford to lose picks.  If possible we should look to gain more picks 

Nothing else need be said.  Stay put at 11 or trade down

[SR24]

1 hour ago, Untouchable said:

I wouldn’t be against trading one of our 3rd’s to move up.

I generally agree that we need more picks, not less.

But let’s face it, it’s far from guaranteed that one of the top OT’s or WR’s falls to us.

If we could trade that 3rd rounder from the Giants along with #11 and move up to #7 or #8 thus virtually guaranteeing that we walk away with either Thomas, Wirfs, Wills, Jeudy or Lamb...then why not?

What will it have cost us? Moving on from Leonard Williams?

I can see the argument for trading up and for staying put. I'd stay at 11 and take Epenesa or Tee Higgins if we miss on the 3 OTs, as well as Jeudy and Lamb

[Apache 51]

Hells no.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, section314 said:

We need to acquire talent all across the roster. We should be in the business of acquiring more picks, not giving them up.

But not by trading Jamal, because we needs him to win teh games.  

[Jetsfan80]

Trading up wouldn't have even been a thought if we'd just managed to lose to the Steelers and Bills.  But that ship has sailed.  We either stay put or move down.  

[Beerfish]

10 minutes ago, Thai Jet said:

It's ALWAYS easier post facto isn't it ? lol

Except for the fact that a LOT of people have blasted our picks and draft strategy the day they were made or even before.

[ZachEY]

Here's the thing... This team doesn't need a super star right now.  It's the same reason we should have traded down last year, even if we didn't get perfect value.  This looks even more true when you consider what we actually got at 3.  Very few posters here wouldn't like that pick back, I'd imagine.  Regardless, this team needs a lot of good players.  So, we can't afford to give up two opportunities to get two good players for one opportunity to get one good/great player.

The Top OT or WR doesn't make the Jets a good team.  A very good OT and WR gets us closer to that.  This offseason is about adding a lot of talent, IMO.  Not going after the "best" RB available, because we saw how well that worked out.