Justin Fields Questions - Take the pole you morans!

[jetstream23]

 

Where do you stand on Justin Fields?

[football guy]

Zach* Wilson

[HawkeyeJet]

This looks like 5 polls, sir.

[jetstream23]

2 minutes ago, football guy said:

Zach* Wilson

Damn.  You'll have to excuse me.  I'm a battered Jets fan who has been hit over the head with bad Jets' draft picks for the better part of 3 decades.  I corrected it.

 

[football guy]

1 minute ago, jetstream23 said:

Damn.  You'll have to excuse me.  I'm a battered Jets fan who has been hit over the head with bad Jets' draft picks for the better part of 3 decades.  I corrected it.

Trust me I understood. If it weren't for the real Kyle Wilson I wouldn't have corrected you.

[GreenFish]

Keep Sam and draft Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson has crazy arm talent. The ball just flies out of his hand and it seems very catchable. So it’s not like he is breaking anyone’s hand or anything. His arm and accuracy looks better than Lawrence to be honest. TL has longevity over him though.

[jetstream23]

Tonight's performance wasn't really good or particularly bad.  It was just a poor game to use to analyze a QB who was slightly injured and whose team never had a prayer of keeping within striking distance of Alabama.

Would have been more interesting if OSU had more of its defenders and maybe kept the Crimson Tide to something like 38 points, and if Fields was 100% and had his RB1.  The game was over at half-time and everyone knew it.

 

[Krappedetector]

"Take the pole you morans!" 

Do you by any chance have "No RAGRETS!" tattooed on your chest?

(I sure hope you did this on purpose.)

[jetstream23]

Just now, Krappedetector said:

"Take the pole you morans!" 

Do you by any chance have "No RAGRETS!" tattooed on your chest?

(I sure hope you did this on purpose.)

You obviously don't know me.  It was 100% on purpose.

Did you take the pole?

[jetstream23]

[ChuckkieB]

Fields is the clear #2 imo.  Trade Darnold, draft Fields, and don't look back. Keep swinging at the QB position until you hit a home run.  If you're not sure your QB is a franchise QB after 3 years, it's time to move on.  

[dcJet]

So many questions.  Way more than when I take my tests for STD's.

[football guy]

It was always going to be a tough game for him. Alabama's defense is great. The issue with Fields is his weaknesses are present regardless whether the stats are there or not. Dane Brugler put it best tonight: 

This, coupled with the Ohio State offense (lack of teaching how to read defenses), his limited ability as a progression passer, struggles against pressure, and the fact that he plays in a see-it throw-it offense, all should leave people feeling skeptical. That's not a criticize though; people were skeptical about Mahomes, people were skeptical about Lamar, people were skeptical about Allen... 

He absolutely has talent and is a fine developmental QB. I think Atlanta is his ceiling and would likely be the best situation for him; gets to play in his home state and sit behind Matt Ryan for a year or 2 before he's asked to take the reigns. I really do think there's a strong possibility they go that route purely because of ownership. Otherwise, maybe Carolina? I think Carolina likes Lance. I'm not sure how Fields would fit in SF. I could see him being an excellent fit in CHI... they have a scheme that fits his skill sets very nicely. 

[jetstream23]

6 minutes ago, football guy said:

It was always going to be a tough game for him. Alabama's defense is great. The issue with Fields is his weaknesses are present regardless whether the stats are there or not. Dane Brugler put it best tonight: 

This, coupled with the Ohio State offense (lack of teaching how to read defenses), his limited ability as a progression passer, struggles against pressure, and the fact that he plays in a see-it throw-it offense, all should leave people feeling skeptical. That's not a criticize though; people were skeptical about Mahomes, people were skeptical about Lamar, people were skeptical about Allen... 

He absolutely has talent and is a fine developmental QB. I think Atlanta is his ceiling and would likely be the best situation for him; gets to play in his home state and sit behind Matt Ryan for a year or 2 before he's asked to take the reigns. I really do think there's a strong possibility they go that route purely because of ownership. Otherwise, maybe Carolina? I think Carolina likes Lance. I'm not sure how Fields would fit in SF. I could see him being an excellent fit in CHI... they have a scheme that fits his skill sets very nicely. 

What's the lowest spot you think he would be taken at?  Could he slip outside the Top 5 or noway because someone would trade up?

Chicago is an interesting fit.  But they're in No Man's Land right now drafting at #20.   I wonder if they'd part with Khalil Mack as part of a package of draft picks to move up!   (A man can dream!)

[Philc1]

6 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Tonight's performance wasn't really good or particularly bad.  It was just a poor game to use to analyze a QB who was slightly injured and whose team never had a prayer of keeping within striking distance of Alabama.

Would have been more interesting if OSU had more of its defenders and maybe kept the Crimson Tide to something like 38 points, and if Fields was 100% and had his RB1.  The game was over at half-time and everyone knew it.

 

Fields always cries and whines about being injured when he has a bad game

 

I see great things happening to him in NY

[Philc1]

6 hours ago, football guy said:

It was always going to be a tough game for him. Alabama's defense is great. The issue with Fields is his weaknesses are present regardless whether the stats are there or not. Dane Brugler put it best tonight: 

This, coupled with the Ohio State offense (lack of teaching how to read defenses), his limited ability as a progression passer, struggles against pressure, and the fact that he plays in a see-it throw-it offense, all should leave people feeling skeptical. That's not a criticize though; people were skeptical about Mahomes, people were skeptical about Lamar, people were skeptical about Allen... 

He absolutely has talent and is a fine developmental QB. I think Atlanta is his ceiling and would likely be the best situation for him; gets to play in his home state and sit behind Matt Ryan for a year or 2 before he's asked to take the reigns. I really do think there's a strong possibility they go that route purely because of ownership. Otherwise, maybe Carolina? I think Carolina likes Lance. I'm not sure how Fields would fit in SF. I could see him being an excellent fit in CHI... they have a scheme that fits his skill sets very nicely. 

Clemson sold out to try to stop Sermon last week who had 193 yards rushing.  Fields had open first reads in single coverage the entire night

 

last night Sermon had like 2 yards rushing.  Fields sucked.  
 

[DetroitRed]

Stop with injury crap when he played with it in the last game. He was missing short, easy throws. That’s my problem


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[Philc1]

Just now, DetroitRed said:

Stop with injury crap when he played with it in the last game. He was missing short, easy throws. That’s my problem


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Amazing how the injuries didn’t affect him last week but today Fields is whining publicly about it

 

hes mentally and physically brittle.  Putting him in NY is almost cruel

[maury77]

Zach* Wilson

Is overrated


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[Guilhermezmc]

Ohio state gameplan was terrible they probably wanted to run Sermon 25 times that game but when he was out after 1 play everything went down hill. I am not excusing Fields, he missed on a couple of throws that were all his fault, but jesus how can you play that soft on defense and excpect that your QB that is playing hurt will be able to keep up with one of the best offenses in CFB history.  They didn't even try to expose how bad Dylan Moses is on pass coverage, bad coached game. Played with 4 LB most of the time none of them could make a tackle to save his life.

[DetroitRed]

If Douglas doesn’t see a Qb he likes , I’m not against using out picks on other areas. There are plenty of draft classes where none of the QBs are worth it.


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[T0mShane]

Fields sucks. Wilson sucks. Trade down and prosper

[68JET11]

Last night proved one thing and that is, nobody is giving up a boat load of picks to move up for Fields. So the JETS now have a new dilemma. Do they or don't they trade out of #2. Here's the issue and that's Miami at #3. Do we let them have Sewell or Smith or get the draft haul we could have gotten from Cincy. We can still get that draft haul from Cincy, however then we don't get either player. There will be those who say I'm crazy, but just to let you know.... I already know that lol...

[maury77]

Ok, for starters, I'm not a professional football scout and I don't have a huge internet following for my draft takes. I've learned what I can by following the draft religiously since the Blair Thomas draft (FML). Even the pros, at best, bat 50% in the draft. 

That disclaimer aside, the question the Jets are facing is the llikelihood of Darnold improving with  a few months to decide whether to exercise his 5th year option vs. Justin Fields vs. Zach Wilson. 

Regarding Darnold, I think QBs, at the NFL level, fall into 3 categories: a. guys you win because of; b. guys you can win with; c. guys you can't win with. Up until now, Darnold has been in category c. It pains me to admit that. I followed him since his freshman season at USC, I saw the Rose Bowl and I bought into the hype of Daniel Jeremiah calling Darnold the best QB prospect since Luck. But it hasn't happened. I think we all can admit there are other huge factors that affected his play (Gase, surrounding talent), but even in bad circumstances, the cream will rise to the top. Look at Deshaun Watson this year. The Texans were awful (they would be picking 3rd if not for the Tunsil trade) and Watson still played lights out, excuses be damned. Darnold is never going to reach that level. Could he be a Tannehill type QB? Maybe (and even that is a stretch if we are being honest with ourselves). But what happens to the Tannehill types when everything around them isn't clicking? You saw this past weekend. Baltimore took Derrick Henry out and Tannehill (without being able to use the play. action) was pretty mediocre. I think that is Darnold's ceiling. 

Regarding Wilson, he reminds me of Darnold and,  for your older guys, Pete Marevich (different sport, I know). If football had the equivalent of the basketball game HORSE, I think Wilson would beat out Lawrence and Fields. Wilson makes jaw dropping throws, he absolutely does. But a lesson I've learned with Darnold is to look past that and look at the whole picture. 2 of the oldest rules when it comes to looking at players is the level of competition they played and their injury history. Look at the top 10 QBs in the NFL today. Most of them played in Power 5 schools. The 1 exception is Josh Allen, who is the size of a linebacker, runs like a tight end and might have the strongest arm in the league today. I cant help but be wary when I look at BYU's schedule. The one time I saw Wilson play a power 5 school (Washington in 2019), I saw a skittish QB who missed a lot when he was under pressure. I see that often with Wilson where he abandons the pocket early or he starts running backwards with pressure coming up the middle. I don't think Wilson has the balls to consistently hang in the pocket, take a hit and deliver a strike. I honestly think he is afraid of getting hit and I think this was something I missed on with Darnold as well. The other issue I have with Wilson is the injury history. Its not so much that I'm afraid of one of his past injuries coming back, but the guy looks like he has a small frame and he has been dinged up a lot. Look at Dee Millner and look at Jabari Zuniga. Guys that come into the NFL being injury prone tend to stay that way. 

On to Fields. Fields is not a perfect prospect. He appears to go through his reads slow at times, but, as @Paradis alluded to in another thread, that can be hard to tell at times at the college level. Fields had a rough game against Indiana (who was good this year). I'm willing to give him a pass on the Northwestern game because a lot of guys were out with Covid and, even though the backups may also be studs, it takes some time to get your timing down with new receivers. Fields was not good against Alabama, but the guy showed a lot of guts going out there with a hip pointer and an injured thumb (if you don't think it was affecting him, Ohio State called 1 RPO the whole game by the time I shut the TV off midway through the 4th). For those of you that will argue that Fields was injured against Clemson as well, think back to the time when you played sports (if that time ever existed). I played football, basketball and baseball during high school. As an adult, I used to practice Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Thai Boxing and now I practice Krav Maga. I can't tell you the number of times I've hurt myself, but I was able to keep going because of adrenaline and being in the moment only to feel like crap a few days later. Look at Darnold this year. He hurt his shoulder this year against Denver (I believe) and he came back in the game, only to miss several of the next games because of the shoulder. Once the body cools down, injuries can start to feel a lot worse. 

I love how tough Fields is. The way he came back into the Clemson game after the shot he took resonated with me and I can assure you it probably resonated with his teammates and made them play harder. I also look at how successful guys like Lamar and Josh Allen have been in the NFL. Lamar is faster than Fields while Allen has a bigger arm. However, I looked at Lamar and Allen a lot in 2018 leading up to the draft and I think Fields is much further along as a passer while also offering the same threat as a runner. 

If it were up to me, I'd roll with Fields next year (sorry for the long post). 

[extmenace]

Where is the pole? A flag pole? Fishing pole? Pole vaulting pole? Where is it and how do I take it?

or did you mean poll?

[Mark78]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Fields sucks. Wilson sucks. Trade down and prosper

Darnold sucks...Where do we go from here?

[Stark]

8 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

 

Where do you stand on Justin Fields?

Where’s the trade for Watson option. ?

[heymangold]

Most draft analysts think fields would be the first pick if Lawrence wasn’t in the draft.  Stop letting TV games shape your view on a prospect.

[JustInFudge]

Nothing changes, he's the 2nd best QB, worthy of the #2 spot, the only QB worthy of a higher selection is Lawrence and he's 100% an upgrade of Darnold.  That said, I assume they trade down and accumulate more picks, wouldnt mind a flier at QB md rounds but you kind of did that with Captain Morgan last year so whatever.  This team is ****ed.  I'd sign Winston and try score 40 a game.

 

[oatmeal]

1 hour ago, maury77 said:

Ok, for starters, I'm not a professional football scout and I don't have a huge internet following for my draft takes. I've learned what I can by following the draft religiously since the Blair Thomas draft (FML). Even the pros, at best, bat 50% in the draft. 

That disclaimer aside, the question the Jets are facing is the llikelihood of Darnold improving with  a few months to decide whether to exercise his 5th year option vs. Justin Fields vs. Zach Wilson. 

Regarding Darnold, I think QBs, at the NFL level, fall into 3 categories: a. guys you win because of; b. guys you can win with; c. guys you can't win with. Up until now, Darnold has been in category c. It pains me to admit that. I followed him since his freshman season at USC, I saw the Rose Bowl and I bought into the hype of Daniel Jeremiah calling Darnold the best QB prospect since Luck. But it hasn't happened. I think we all can admit there are other huge factors that affected his play (Gase, surrounding talent), but even in bad circumstances, the cream will rise to the top. Look at Deshaun Watson this year. The Texans were awful (they would be picking 3rd if not for the Tunsil trade) and Watson still played lights out, excuses be damned. Darnold is never going to reach that level. Could he be a Tannehill type QB? Maybe (and even that is a stretch if we are being honest with ourselves). But what happens to the Tannehill types when everything around them isn't clicking? You saw this past weekend. Baltimore took Derrick Henry out and Tannehill (without being able to use the play. action) was pretty mediocre. I think that is Darnold's ceiling. 

Regarding Wilson, he reminds me of Darnold and,  for your older guys, Pete Marevich (different sport, I know). If football had the equivalent of the basketball game HORSE, I think Wilson would beat out Lawrence and Fields. Wilson makes jaw dropping throws, he absolutely does. But a lesson I've learned with Darnold is to look past that and look at the whole picture. 2 of the oldest rules when it comes to looking at players is the level of competition they played and their injury history. Look at the top 10 QBs in the NFL today. Most of them played in Power 5 schools. The 1 exception is Josh Allen, who is the size of a linebacker, runs like a tight end and might have the strongest arm in the league today. I cant help but be wary when I look at BYU's schedule. The one time I saw Wilson play a power 5 school (Washington in 2019), I saw a skittish QB who missed a lot when he was under pressure. I see that often with Wilson where he abandons the pocket early or he starts running backwards with pressure coming up the middle. I don't think Wilson has the balls to consistently hang in the pocket, take a hit and deliver a strike. I honestly think he is afraid of getting hit and I think this was something I missed on with Darnold as well. The other issue I have with Wilson is the injury history. Its not so much that I'm afraid of one of his past injuries coming back, but the guy looks like he has a small frame and he has been dinged up a lot. Look at Dee Millner and look at Jabari Zuniga. Guys that come into the NFL being injury prone tend to stay that way. 

On to Fields. Fields is not a perfect prospect. He appears to go through his reads slow at times, but, as @Paradis alluded to in another thread, that can be hard to tell at times at the college level. Fields had a rough game against Indiana (who was good this year). I'm willing to give him a pass on the Northwestern game because a lot of guys were out with Covid and, even though the backups may also be studs, it takes some time to get your timing down with new receivers. Fields was not good against Alabama, but the guy showed a lot of guts going out there with a hip pointer and an injured thumb (if you don't think it was affecting him, Ohio State called 1 RPO the whole game by the time I shut the TV off midway through the 4th). For those of you that will argue that Fields was injured against Clemson as well, think back to the time when you played sports (if that time ever existed). I played football, basketball and baseball during high school. As an adult, I used to practice Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Thai Boxing and now I practice Krav Maga. I can't tell you the number of times I've hurt myself, but I was able to keep going because of adrenaline and being in the moment only to feel like crap a few days later. Look at Darnold this year. He hurt his shoulder this year against Denver (I believe) and he came back in the game, only to miss several of the next games because of the shoulder. Once the body cools down, injuries can start to feel a lot worse. 

I love how tough Fields is. The way he came back into the Clemson game after the shot he took resonated with me and I can assure you it probably resonated with his teammates and made them play harder. I also look at how successful guys like Lamar and Josh Allen have been in the NFL. Lamar is faster than Fields while Allen has a bigger arm. However, I looked at Lamar and Allen a lot in 2018 leading up to the draft and I think Fields is much further along as a passer while also offering the same threat as a runner. 

If it were up to me, I'd roll with Fields next year (sorry for the long post). 

Well written and I couldn’t agree more 

[oatmeal]

If we don’t draft Justin and he’s lighting the league up, I can’t wait until the: “it’s the system he’s in” “he has weapons” BS people will type on here ????

[Philc1]

42 minutes ago, heymangold said:

Most draft analysts think fields would be the first pick if Lawrence wasn’t in the draft.  Stop letting TV games shape your view on a prospect.

[Philc1]

45 minutes ago, Mark78 said:

Darnold sucks...Where do we go from here?

Darnold sucks just a little less

[More Cowbell]

I'm at the point that I really don't  ha e an opinion on what should be done with the pick.  Trade down? Ok. Pick Fields? Fine. Take Sewell? Works for me.

It's  apparent that there isn't  a lot of difference between Mac Jones and Fields and Fields was thought to be 1A with TL being 1. I just don't  see a strong case for any scenario  over the other anymore. I actually have a stronger opinion for Seattle's pick. Give me Harris. 

[Sonny Werblin]

The thing we do not know is the Jets internal views of Darnold. We all have our own views, but JD and his HC hire are the only views that really matter. While I find it hard to imagine anyone would think Darnold could ever be good, I think scouts and coaches always look at a player's tools and every great HC believes he can get the best out of any player. The things that pushed Darnold to the top of the draft board have not changed and things seemed to be looking up for him at the end of his rookie season and at the end of last season. How much weight should that be given? Damned if I know. I just know that we don't know what JD or the new HC thinks of Darnold. And that is what will dictate whether the Jets draft a QB.

PS. In my gut I feel like JD will give Darnold one more season, but my life is littered so many sad stories of betrayal by my gut that I've named it Judas.