McGovern - Jets FO “got rid of all the bad apples”

[Sonny Werblin]

Is this what that other thread meant when it said Some Day Players Like Braxton Berrios Will Not Be On This Team?

[ScouserJet]

So important this isn't all smoke.

All great coming out with statements like this, but if we have a tough couple of weeks, they best stick together.

Got a great squad now, got to act like a team. 

[Sonny Werblin]

8 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Then why is he bringing in bad apples! Why!!

Some teams operate under the belief that their coaching and culture can “fix” a few bad apples. I don’t know if that was JDs view but regardless it is nice to see that he has learned from his experience and takes action to correct mistakes.

[Rob Moore]

Just off the top of my head…..

Marcus Maye

Shaq Lawson 

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

 still one left to go

Thats not a bad apple, thats the worm that ruins all the apples. 

[LSJF]

1 minute ago, The Crusher said:

Thats not a bad apple, thats the worm that ruins all the apples. 

All threads lead back to Zach….sheesh

[LockeJET]

Win!! Winning breeds culture! We haven’t done anything yet, but we are on the right path. Win and this team will be set up for years ahead, even when Rodgers is not a part of it. Our young studs have already made a legit name from themselves and are not trying to force stats to get paid. They are already going to get paid. Once you win, everyone wants to be a part of that and if you aren’t on board, someone else will easily replace you and be a part of it. 

[Biggs]

My grandmother made delicious apple pie from the bad apples.   She found a use for everything.  

[Dunnie]

 still one left to go
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This makes no sense ..you don't trade away the obvious heir apparent to Rodgers.

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[Biggs]

4 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

This makes no sense ..you don't trade away the obvious heir apparent to Rodgers.

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Was Robin the heir apparent to Batman?  Zach is Rodgers ward not his heir apparent.

Ward:  A guardian is a person or institution appointed by a judge to take care of and be legally accountable for a person who cannot take care of himself or herself. The person that the guardian is responsible for is called the ward. Wards are either minor children or incapacitated persons.

In this case the Judge was a three person panel.  Woody, Joe and Bobby.  

[Rich Thornburgh]

5 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

This makes no sense ..you don't trade away the obvious heir apparent to Rodgers.

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We haven’t drafted that guy yet

[Claymation]

LeVeon Bell, Periman, Herndon, Leonard Williams, Marcus Maye and Adams would be my guess.

[Scott Dierking]

Does he know Woody is back in town?

[Rich Thornburgh]

4 minutes ago, Claymation said:

LeVeon Bell, Periman, Herndon, Leonard Williams, Marcus Maye and Adams would be my guess.

Forgot Gase

[Claymation]

14 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Was Robin the heir apparent to Batman?  Zach is Rodgers ward not his heir apparent.

Ward:  A guardian is a person or institution appointed by a judge to take care of and be legally accountable for a person who cannot take care of himself or herself. The person that the guardian is responsible for is called the ward. Wards are either minor children or incapacitated persons.

In this case the Judge was a three person panel.  Woody, Joe and Bobby.  

Dick Grayson, Jason Todd and Tim Drake all became their own person at fighting crime, and quite good at it. NightWing, Red Hood and Red Robin respectively. You can't replace Batman but they were everything as good as he was. With Tim Drake being a better detective.

Damian Wayne, the current Robin,  eventually took over as Batman.

[CanadaSteve]

14 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Step one draft bad apples

Step two say you are excited about bad apples

Step three get rid of bad apples a year later

Step four get massive credit for removing bad apples.

Step five profit????

So, what exactly is the issue?

You are supposed to know that someone is going to work out perfectly when you draft them?  Have you ever hired an individual who put on their best face during an interview, found the right people to vouch for them as a reference, were glad to have them part of the team, and then didn't actually work out?  Did you get rid of them?  

So, when the current FO does exactly what they are supposed to do, they are now chastised for doing something that every business in America has done? 

I don't get it Beer.  Just don't get it. 

[CanadaSteve]

15 minutes ago, Claymation said:

Dick Grayson, Jason Todd and Tim Drake all became their own person at fighting crime, and quite good at it. NightWing, Red Hood and Red Robin respectively. You can't replace Batman but they were everything as good as he was. With Tim Drake being a better detective.

Damian Wayne, the current Robin,  eventually took over as Batman.

[Biggs]

27 minutes ago, Claymation said:

Dick Grayson, Jason Todd and Tim Drake all became their own person at fighting crime, and quite good at it. NightWing, Red Hood and Red Robin respectively. You can't replace Batman but they were everything as good as he was. With Tim Drake being a better detective.

Damian Wayne, the current Robin,  eventually took over as Batman.

I knew Bruce Wayne and Damian Wayne is no Bruce Wayne.  

[FidelioJet]

13 hours ago, tfine said:

 

This is one of them


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Post 10...

Took until post 10 to turn into a Zach Wilson sucks thread.....

Not bad, a little later than usual, but I'm going to start keeping track.

[More Cowbell]

2 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

 still one left to go

I actually think Zach is a good teammate that one press conference. Withstanding. He is just not a good QB. 

[Warfish]

47 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

So, what exactly is the issue?

You are supposed to know that someone is going to work out perfectly when you draft them?  Have you ever hired an individual who put on their best face during an interview, found the right people to vouch for them as a reference, were glad to have them part of the team, and then didn't actually work out?  Did you get rid of them?  

So, when the current FO does exactly what they are supposed to do, they are now chastised for doing something that every business in America has done? 

I don't get it Beer.  Just don't get it. 

Not chastised, no.

But not given any particular credit or praise either.

The bad hire outweighs how quickly you fire them.

[Jetsfan80]

10 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Name names, ok moore and Mims sure....but who else got canned?

 

Braxton Berrios

[Anthony Jet]

ZW isn’t disliked in the locker room. As much as people hate to hear that 

[peebag]

Just a thought, this team hasn't done anything of note yet on the field.

[Jetsfan80]

12 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

ZW isn’t disliked in the locker room. As much as people hate to hear that 

Disliked?  Maybe not.  Do Jets players go out of their way to defend him, call him a leader, talk about him being a great guy, etc etc?  Also no, not so much.

Put it this way:  A team that really likes a QB wouldn’t all wear t-shirts with the backup’s face on it for a couple weeks:
 

 

 

CC:  @T0mShane

[GreenFish]

I wonder what Sean Payton is thinking.

[Scott Dierking]

44 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Not chastised, no.

But not given any particular credit or praise either.

The bad hire outweighs how quickly you fire them.

Everyone hires bad people. It is what happens in the people business. Just about anyone can "interview" well. Like you said, how long does it take you to get rid of them, when you realize what they are. Some can never do it and it eats an organization inside out.

[Scott Dierking]

9 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Disliked?  Maybe not.  Do Jets players go out of their way to defend him, call him a leader, talk about him being a great guy, etc etc?  Also no, not so much.

Put it this way:  A team that really likes a QB wouldn’t all wear t-shirts with the backup’s face on it for a couple weeks:
 

 

 

CC:  @T0mShane

Honestly, that is a bad look for leadership. 

[Bocajetfan]

Found Kevin Costners draft day movie quite interesting. Showed how a big business like the NFL can be manipulated bye prospects and their agents. Just how deep do you dig into the lives of the prospects does your team ask the right questions of the right people. Many years ago I was applying with a Defense Contractor and the position would require a security clearance, they interviewed former neighbors, classmates from over 10 years back as well as teachers. How deep these conversations went was really interesting. When millions are in play the extent both sides will go is mind boggling. Takes a lot too see behind the scenes of manipulation that movie mentioned gives a small glimpse into what goes into some of the decision making.

[Scott Dierking]

1 minute ago, Bocajetfan said:

Found Kevin Costners draft day movie quite interesting. Showed how a big business like the NFL can be manipulated bye prospects and their agents. Just how deep do you dig into the lives of the prospects does your team ask the right questions of the right people. Many years ago I was applying with a Defense Contractor and the position would require a security clearance, they interviewed former neighbors, classmates from over 10 years back as well as teachers. How deep these conversations went was really interesting. When millions are in play the extent both sides will go is mind boggling. Takes a lot too see behind the scenes of manipulation that movie mentioned gives a small glimpse into what goes into some of the decision making.

I watched "The Whale" yesterday. That showed me how not regulating your diet and eating your angst can be hazardous to your health.

[southparkcpa]

32 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

ZW isn’t disliked in the locker room. As much as people hate to hear that 

Source??? The guy single handily lost multiple games last year.  I'm sure his team mates just love when he's under center.

[DoubleDown]

So Becton is not a bad apple?

[sourceworx]

My guess is he was referring to Elijah Moore. 

[Joe W. Namath]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

Post 10...

Took until post 10 to turn into a Zach Wilson sucks thread.....

Not bad, a little later than usual, but I'm going to start keeping track.

Another "Bash Zach" thread.  Truly pathetic.

The disease.........................................................

[Asymmetrical]

24 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Honestly, that is a bad look for leadership. 

It definitely must have stung Zach but I think there's a case to be made for it being a "rally around the new guy" moment. It was clear that Zach wasn't starting again that year unless Mike White's ribs exploded. I try not to get too sucked into the Wilson discourse these days but he was abysmal and the team knew it.