Scouts take on Brock Bowers - merged

[rangerous]

Maybe.  The athletic has the jets moving up to seven to take Nabors.  They also show a DT and an Edge moving into the top ten.

[Jetkwondo]

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Just got word that we're drafting a DB or D-Lineman at pick 10. Can't reveal my source at the moment.

10:14 AM · Apr 25, 2024

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10118485-sauce-gardner-says-jets-will-draft-db-or-dl-at-no-10-pick-cant-reveal-my-source

[BigRy56]

Bowers will be a great player but taking him over Alt??? Eek

[Smashmouth]

4 hours ago, slats said:

I think it’s pretty safe to assume that all these guys have conversations before the draft and put parameters in place to move if the right players are or are not there. 

Its possible you would, as a GM, talk to people you trust 

[slats]

25 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

Its possible you would, as a GM, talk to people you trust 

They all talk. No one’s saying who they want to take, but they all talk about draft day trades even if it’s just to say that they have no intention of moving. He quite clearly wanted to trade down last year and couldn’t get it done. I have to imagine that he’s done more prep in that regard this year. 

[Tony The Wiz]

I personally think if we had any other QB who was mobile,  Brock Bowers would not be in the discussion. But after the injury to Rodgers, and him being 40 years old, the Jets will use Bowers as their

check down specialist. So they will play way more two tight end with two wide receivers offensive scheme. This will give Rodgers more blocking in pass protection, and the running game will also get a boost.  

When you watch Bowers he is a pretty good blocker.  And his forte is grabbing a short pass, and breaking tackles to get way more yards. He will get you that 3rd and 5 if thrown to him.  So I really think the

Jets are drafting Bowers. Like it or not, he most likely be the pick.  

[RedBeardedSavage]

[Untouchable]

As conductor of the Bowers train or wagon or bus or whatever the hell it was…saddle up, brother.

We’re nearly at full capacity and there’s no slowing it down.

[Trotter]

4 minutes ago, Tony The Wiz said:

I personally think if we had any other QB who was mobile,  Brock Bowers would not be in the discussion. But after the injury to Rodgers, and him being 40 years old, the Jets will use Bowers as their

check down specialist. So they will play way more two tight end with two wide receivers offensive scheme. This will give Rodgers more blocking in pass protection, and the running game will also get a boost.  

When you watch Bowers he is a pretty good blocker.  And his forte is grabbing a short pass, and breaking tackles to get way more yards. He will get you that 3rd and 5 if thrown to him.  So I really think the

Jets are drafting Bowers. Like it or not, he most likely be the pick.  

you might possibly be right but for the strengths you mention - isn't that supposed to be why they took Ruckert?

 

[Fantasy Island]

As long as we don’t draft Defense or Bowers in the first round, our draft will be good.

[Maynard13]

17 minutes ago, slats said:

They all talk. No one’s saying who they want to take, but they all talk about draft day trades even if it’s just to say that they have no intention of moving. He quite clearly wanted to trade down last year and couldn’t get it done. I have to imagine that he’s done more prep in that regard this year. 

I would have just let the clock run out. 

[Tony The Wiz]

1 minute ago, Trotter said:

you might possibly be right but for the strengths you mention - isn't that supposed to be why they took Ruckert?

 

Ruckert was never that type of TE.  He was more of a traditional TE.  Bowers is like a faster and stronger H back. He has a full back body and strength but is way quicker. 

[#27TheDominator]

28 minutes ago, Trotter said:

you might possibly be right but for the strengths you mention - isn't that supposed to be why they took Ruckert?

 

I like Ruckert, but he is an absolute dog compared to Bowers.  The idea that you can compare them as prospects is kind of laughable.  I don't even think the guy that says Bowers will run a 4.85 would do that.  Bowers had 3 years in the SEC.  Every one of those seasons he had more yards receiving than Ruckert had in his 4 years at Ohio State.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Virtually begging at this point for the Colts to jump to #9 for Bowers.

The Bowers "discussion" is already more exhausting than the 3+ years of wrangling over ZW.

[Larz]

I also think the rpo game could be really effective with a package of 

Wilson/Lazard

Williams/Bowers

Hall. 

[32EBoozer]

8 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

@Lith has been extremely quiet regarding Bowers @ #10. He secretly is praying for this but won't come out pubilcly, in the event he's the next Kyle Brady!

[Untouchable]

2 minutes ago, Trotter said:

you might possibly be right but for the strengths you mention - isn't that supposed to be why they took Ruckert?

 

I’ve always liked Ruckert and he may already be one of the better inline/move blockers at the position.

But what has he done through two years to warrant passing on Bowers?

The dude has been constantly banged up since before we drafted him and he has 17 receptions through two seasons. He never had more than 26 catches in a single year at OSU.

Neither Conklin or Ruckert should prevent the  Jets from taking a true bluechip playmaker like Bowers.

If one of the Top 3 wideouts is there at #10 or the Jets want to move up a few spots, then go for it. But if they stick at 10 and those guys are gone, then I don’t really understand the massive opposition to Bowers.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

They are (probably) drafting Bowers because that's who the GM (Aaron Rodgers) wants.

[Rich Thornburgh]

Great reason because you can’t sign an affordable slot receiver or scat back in free agency to do that exact same thing

[Rich Thornburgh]

7 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

They are (probably) drafting Bowers because that's who the GM (Aaron Rodgers) wants.

It’s because this franchise is a dumpster fire

[Claymation]

15 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said:

As long as we don’t draft Defense or Bowers in the first round, our draft will be good.

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If you feel like letting go (hold on)
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[Rich Thornburgh]

10 minutes ago, Larz said:

I also think the rpo game could be really effective with a package of 

Wilson/Lazard

Williams/Bowers

Hall. 

Wait so we’re taking Lazard seriously again?

[Gastineau Lives]

15 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Virtually begging at this point for the Colts to jump to #9 for Bowers.

The Bowers "discussion" is already more exhausting than the 3+ years of wrangling over ZW.

I’m fresh as a daisy 

 

[T0mShane]

27 minutes ago, Tony The Wiz said:

the Jets will use Bowers as their

check down specialist

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Gastineau Lives said:

I’m fresh as a daisy 

 

 

^Check down specialist

[Tony The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Great reason because you can’t sign an affordable slot receiver or scat back in free agency to do that exact same thing

You will not get the blocking from that scat back. And the blocking is so important with a 40 year old brittle QB, 

[Claymation]

The Jets will draft Bowers because Peter Schrager says so.

So hold on...

[Lith]

12 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

@Lith has been extremely quiet regarding Bowers @ #10. He secretly is praying for this but won't come out pubilcly, in the event he's the next Kyle Brady!

I have made my thoughts on Bowers clear in one of the other dozen Brock Bowers thread -- I just haven't felt the need to repeat myself, over and over again, in each successive Bowers thread.  He is pigeon holed as a tight end, but he took less than half his snaps last season as a TE in the Georgia offense, getting snaps in the slot, lined up outside and in the backfield as well.  I would expect him to take a lot of snaps replacing Lazard as a big slot.

If we draft him, I will be one of the first to run out and buy a Bowers - NYJ jersey, but he is not my first choice.  I prefer Odunze or trade back and select an OL before Brock.  I think he will be a good NFL player, but I also think he needs a creative play caller to use him all over the formation and I am not convinced that a guy like Hackett would get the most out of him.

Odunze>>>Trade Back>>>OL>>>Bowers  in that order.

 

[Warfish]

32 minutes ago, Tony The Wiz said:

I personally think if we had any other QB who was mobile,  Brock Bowers would not be in the discussion. But after the injury to Rodgers, and him being 40 years old, the Jets will use Bowers as their

check down specialist. So they will play way more two tight end with two wide receivers offensive scheme. This will give Rodgers more blocking in pass protection, and the running game will also get a boost.  

When you watch Bowers he is a pretty good blocker.  And his forte is grabbing a short pass, and breaking tackles to get way more yards. He will get you that 3rd and 5 if thrown to him.  So I really think the

Jets are drafting Bowers. Like it or not, he most likely be the pick.  

We already have a great check-down receiver.  Breece Hall.

You want to take catches/touches away from Hall then?

[Rich Thornburgh]

5 minutes ago, Tony The Wiz said:

You will not get the blocking from that scat back. And the blocking is so important with a 40 year old brittle QB, 

Bowers is not a good blocker and he’s undersized 

[Rich Thornburgh]

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

We already have a great check-down receiver.  Breece Hall.

You want to take catches/touches away from Hall then?

Tony was fellating Jace Amaro years ago before and after the draft.  He knows Tight Ends

[#27TheDominator]

4 minutes ago, Lith said:

I have made my thoughts on Bowers clear in one of the other dozen Brock Bowers thread -- I just haven't felt the need to repeat myself, over and over again, in each successive Bowers thread.  He is pigeon holed as a tight end, but he took less than half his snaps last season as a TE in the Georgia offense, getting snaps in the slot, lined up outside and in the backfield as well.  I would expect him to take a lot of snaps replacing Lazard as a big slot.

If we draft him, I will be one of the first to run out and buy a Bowers - NYJ jersey, but he is not my first choice.  I prefer Odunze or trade back and select an OL before Brock.  I think he will be a good NFL player, but I also think he needs a creative play caller to use him all over the formation and I am not convinced that a guy like Hackett would get the most out of him.

Odunze>>>Trade Back>>>OL>>>Bowers  in that order.

 

^

Does not understand the purpose of Jetnation.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

7 minutes ago, Warfish said:

We already have a great check-down receiver.  Breece Hall.

You want to take catches/touches away from Hall then?

Those checkdowns will be more aesthetically pleasing with Bowers

Endless opportunities to marvel at the historic athleticism 😂

[slats]

30 minutes ago, Tony The Wiz said:

I personally think if we had any other QB who was mobile,  Brock Bowers would not be in the discussion. But after the injury to Rodgers, and him being 40 years old, the Jets will use Bowers as their

check down specialist. So they will play way more two tight end with two wide receivers offensive scheme. This will give Rodgers more blocking in pass protection, and the running game will also get a boost.  

When you watch Bowers he is a pretty good blocker.  And his forte is grabbing a short pass, and breaking tackles to get way more yards. He will get you that 3rd and 5 if thrown to him.  So I really think the

Jets are drafting Bowers. Like it or not, he most likely be the pick.  

So the Jets are gonna redesign their offense to accommodate a rookie H-back, who will immediately become the go-to guy on check downs? I don’t get it. They already have Breece to check the ball down to. I don’t care how much you love Bowers, he’s not more dangerous with the ball in his hands than Breece. I fail to see how Bowers is a massive upgrade over Lazard, who has years of experience playing slot with Rodgers. Not enough for the tenth pick in the draft, imo. This type of usage for Bowers takes away much of his mismatch nightmare charm, too, as he’d likely be covered by a team’s slot CB. If they want to upgrade the slot, one of Nabers or Odunze is best, but even Brian Thomas would do that for them. What’s more frightening to the opposing defense? Williams and Thomas outside with Wilson in the slot, or Wilson and Williams outside with Bowers in the slot? I mean, c’mon, it’s not even close. 
 
This also requires the team’s weakest link, imo -the offensive coaching staff- to redesign the offense to fit the H-back into the starting lineup. I don’t trust them to run the offense they’ve been running. 

[Tony The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

We already have a great check-down receiver.  Breece Hall.

You want to take catches/touches away from Hall then?

The offense will be a very versatile offense. So just say that Breece is in the backfield he may have to pick up the blitz. Or he may just go upfield for 5 yards on a button but is covered. Then Rodgers could look on his right or left and instead being sacked get it out to Bowers who had helped  blocked the edge rusher. So what I am saying Rodgers has so many options. He also has Conklin who will be running his route. You see Rodgers can't do what other QBS do and that is scramble. So he needs multiple outlets to pick up yards.