Scouts take on Brock Bowers - merged

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Breece Hall came back faster from a torn ACL than Bowers did from a pulled hamstring

LMAO

[Larz]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Breece Hall came back faster from a torn ACL than Bowers did from a pulled hamstring

You keep bringing up injuries with him, can you please tell us why his teammates gave him the nickname “Superman” ? 🤷‍♂️

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Breece Hall came back faster from a torn ACL than Bowers did from a pulled hamstring

Bowers is on track to resume light jogging by mid-August

By October he should be able to do the "hopping with all your weight on one Achilles with medicine balls" drill

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, Larz said:

You keep bringing up injuries with him, can you please tell us why his teammates gave him the nickname “Superman” ? 🤷‍♂️

People referred to Christopher Reeve as “Superman” for most of his adult life and he was similarly injury prone

[BigRy56]

The Jets will pick Bowers if the top 3 WRs are gone because he is the best pass-catching option after them. It's really that simple IMO

[Warfish]

4 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

The Jets will pick Bowers if the top 3 WRs are gone because he is the best pass-catching option after them. It's really that simple IMO

I think this may in fact be accurate.

[Bobby816]

They’re going to pick him bc he’s a top 5 player in this draft and we’re drafting 10.

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, The Crusher said:

I'm no high IQ football guy like a lot of you but in my simplistic approach, I'm ok with drafting any player that makes defensive pay less attention to Garret Wilson and Breece Hall. I wanna see Garrett covered one on one more this year and I want teams to be concerned about something else not put 11 in the box and key on Breece. If that's Bowers, I don't give a crap about the two letters they use to designate his position. We need players the opposing DC worries about. Period. 

This is really all it boils down to.

[Gastineau Lives]

1 hour ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Similar to Bowers, Amaro was left completely uncovered in college (in TT’s shotgun spread attack)

It’s a bit easier to catch passes when there aren’t any defenders within 10 yards of you 

Bowers is Jim Thorpe compared to Amaro in terms of athletic profile, but the bulk of his touches were manufactured at or behind the LOS

Wrong. You don't know what you're talking about.

Bowers targets at or behind line of scrimmage:
2021 and 2022 with Moncken OC and Bennett QB - 41 of 144 28%
2023 with Bobo OC and Beck QB 35 of 72 48%

2023 first half targets - 58% at or behind LOS
2023 second half - 38% at or behind LOS

They obviously didn’t trust Beck at the beginning of the season. 66 percent of his first 30 passes to Bowers were at or behind LOS

[Larz]

He checks a lot of boxes.  How can we be so far along in the process and there is so much confusion about him. I would prefer oline at 10.  In a perfect world you draft Bowers at 16. I would understand if the jets take him at 10.  
 

 

From Brugler  

1. BROCK BOWERS | Georgia 6031 | 243 lbs. | 3JR Napa, Calif. (Napa) 12/13/2002 (age 21.37) #19

BACKGROUND: Brock Bowers, the youngest of two children, grew up in Napa and played multiple sports throughout childhood, including baseball, basketball, golf, soccer and tennis (also an avid duck and deer hunter.) He was a standout baseball player in Little League, but his focus shifted to basketball and football in middle school. Bowers played just two years of football before high school and joined the 7-on-7 team KT Prep in eighth grade. He enrolled at Napa High School and was a 5-foot-11 option quarterback for the junior varsity team as a freshman. Bowers moved up to varsity as a sophomore and emerged as a do-everything weapon, playing wide receiver, tight end, running back, defensive end, linebacker and returning kicks. Napa went winless (0-10) his sophomore year (2018), but Bowers posted 42 catches for 620 yards and seven touchdowns. As a junior, he earned first team All-Metro, was named County Player of the Year and tookhome league MVP honors.

Bowers finished the 2019 season with 39 catches for 1,098 yards (28.2 average) and 14 touchdowns, adding 316 rushing yards, three rushing touchdowns, 29 tackles and an 85-yard kickoff return for a touchdown. His 2020 season was cancelled because of thepandemic. Bowers also lettered as a power forward in basketball.
A four-star recruit, Bowers was the No. 3 tight end in the 2021 recruiting class and the No. 10 recruit in California. After his first season on varsity, he received his first scholarship offer (Nevada), but his recruitment exploded after he attended the 2019 Nike Sparq camp and created a buzz with his 4.5-second 40-yard dash. Bowers’ list of offers grew from one to 20-plus, including major West Coast programs like Oregon, UCLA, USC and Washington. He also considered offers from Michigan, Notre Dame (which offered him as a linebacker) and Penn State. It was Georgia and tight ends coach Todd Hartley who recruited him the hardest, though. Bowers wanted the same small-town feel he had experienced growing up plus a big stage on which to compete, making Athens a natural spot for him. He enrolled early in January
2021 and was the No. 8 recruit in the Bulldogs’ 2021 recruiting class. His parents met at Utah State, where they were both student-athletes. 

His father (Warren), who is now a partner of a Napa construction company, was an All-Conference center on the offensive line. Brock’s mother (DeAnna), a part-time math teacher and softball coach, was an All-American pitcher and first baseman on the softball team (1990-93) and was inducted into the Utah State Hall of Fame in 2016. Brock’s older sister (Brianna) played softball at Sacramento State (2019-21). Bowers, who also earned Academic All-America honors, opted out of the 2023 bowl game and elected to skip his senior season to enter the 2024 NFL Draft.

YEAR (GP/GS) REC YDS AVG TD DROP
2021: (15/13) 56 882 15.8 13 2

First Team All-American; Freshman All-American; SEC Freshman POY; First Team All-SEC; Led team in receiving
2022: (15/14) 63 942 15.0 7 3

First Team All-American; First Team All-SEC; Mackey Award; Led team in receiving; 3 rushing TDs
2023: (10/10) 56 714 12.8 6 3

Unanimous All-American; First Team All-SEC; Mackey Award; Led team in receiving; Missed three games (ankle)

Total: (40/37) 175 2,538 14.5 26 8

HT WT HAND ARM WING 40-YD 20-YD 10-YD VJ BJ SS 3C BP
COMBINE 6031 243 9 3/4 32 3/4 78 1/4 - - - - - - - - (no workout – right hamstring)
PRO DAY 6031 243 9 5/8 32 5/8 78 3/4 - - - - - - - - (no workout – right hamstring)

STRENGTHS: Special athlete for his size … opens his stride and reaches top speed in a blink … sets up routes with stems, head nods and sharp footwork, which allows him to accelerate in and out of his breaks … above-average ball skills, catching the ball well outside his frame (4.4 percent career drop rate) … coordinated body control helps him cleanly adjust or highpoint to the ball mid-air … dangerous after the catch, because of his speed and competitive chops to keep his feet through contact (averaged 8.5 YAC per reception in college) … diverse route runner and can be flexed across the formation … defenses gravitate towards him, creating decoy situations to open windows for other targets … has the speed to execute jet sweeps (183 rushing yards and five rushing touchdowns in his career) … physical positional blocker to reach, seal and keep his man occupied … can be a lead blocker and clear the way … rare maturity and smarts for a 21 year old (sniffs out and communicates blitzes pre-snap) … NFL scouts rave about his competitive mentality and the way he despises losing and rises in big moments … warrior toughness, and his teammates called him “Superman”after he missed only two games following a tightrope ankle procedure — normally a four-to-six-week injury (Kirby Smart: “Agents called him and told him to sit out the season after the injury. Those people will not be representing him, I promise you that, because all it did was piss him off.”)… made his mark in the Georgia record books, finishing No. 2 in career touchdown grabs (26), No. 3 in catches (175) and No. 4 in receiving yards (2,538).

WEAKNESSES: Doesn’t have desired tight-end size for inline work … offers some growth potential but will likely be under 245 pounds for his NFL career … doesn’t have ideal length or overwhelming power to easily uncoil versus NFL defensive ends as an attached blocker … rangy move blocker but can do a better job breaking down in space … fumbled twice in 2023… missed three games as a junior because of a left ankle injury (October 2023), which required tightrope surgery (still traveled with the team and was involved in the gameplan).

SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Georgia, Bowers was the featured weapon in offensive coordinator Mike Bobo’s scheme, lining up across the formation, with his career snaps spread between the slot (52.2 percent), inline (36.6 percent) and wide (9.5 percent). He led the team in receiving each of his three seasons in Athens and joined Herschel Walker and David Pollack as the only three-time first team All-Americans in school history. He also became the first two-time winner of the John Mackey Award as the nation’s top tight end. With both short-area burst and long speed, Bowers makes quick, dynamic cuts to create spacing as a route runner and hits another gear with the ball in his hands to be a home-run threat. He is a natural hands-catcher outside his frame and snatches without breaking stride. His physicality (before the catch, after the catch and as a blocker) is almost as impressive as his athletic traits, although his lack of ideal size and length will show in some inline blocking situations. Overall, Bowersis an explosive pass catcher who creates mismatches all over the field with speed, ball skills and competitive edge. He has NFL star potential in the mold of George Kittle, if he lands with a play caller prepared to feature his unique and versatile talent.

GRADE: 1st Round (No. 7 overall) 

[Larz]

16 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

People referred to Christopher Reeve as “Superman” for most of his adult life and he was similarly injury prone

NFLscouts rave about his competitive mentality and the way he despises losing and rises in big moments … warrior toughness, and his teammates called him “Superman”after he missed only two games following a tightrope ankle procedure — normally a four-to-six-week injury (Kirby Smart: “Agents called him and told him to sit out the season after the injury. Those people will not be representing him, I promise you that, because all it did was piss him off”

[slats]

18 minutes ago, Larz said:

Brock’s mother (DeAnna), a part-time math teacher and softball coach, was an All-American pitcher and first baseman on the softball team (1990-93) and was inducted into the Utah State Hall of Fame in 2016.

Wow, wonder if Zach knows her? 

[Larz]

1 minute ago, slats said:

Wow, wonder if Zach knows her? 

[TuscanyTile2]

29 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

People referred to Christopher Reeve as “Superman” for most of his adult life and he was similarly injury prone

Tragedy + Time

[Larz]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

Wow, wonder if Zach knows her? 

Family is off limits. 

[Alka]

2 hours ago, Tony The Wiz said:

I personally think if we had any other QB who was mobile,  Brock Bowers would not be in the discussion. But after the injury to Rodgers, and him being 40 years old, the Jets will use Bowers as their

check down specialist. So they will play way more two tight end with two wide receivers offensive scheme. This will give Rodgers more blocking in pass protection, and the running game will also get a boost.  

When you watch Bowers he is a pretty good blocker.  And his forte is grabbing a short pass, and breaking tackles to get way more yards. He will get you that 3rd and 5 if thrown to him.  So I really think the

Jets are drafting Bowers. Like it or not, he most likely be the pick.  

Using your logic, I would argue that Brock Bowers will not be the pick, but an Offensive Tackle.  Once Smith starts missing games, it will be the new tackle who steps in.  

We will find out tonight.  But I would bet that if Brock Bowers is there at #10, we will absolutely not be taking him.  

[DoubleDown]

Assuming the Jets stay at or near #10, put me in the "anybody but Bowers" category.

Harrison, Alt, Nabers, Odunze, Fashanu, Fuaga, Latham.  One or more of these guys will be there and all of them would be far better picks.

I still haven't seen one person explain how TE is actually a need.  Conklin is as solid and durable as they get, and he has three young developing players already behind him.

JD has had plenty of misses in the draft, but I think it's pretty clear that he understands positional value.  When you are in position to take a blue chip prospect at a high value position like WR or OL, and it happens to coincide with two of the teams biggest needs, it's kind of a no brainer.

[peekskill68]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

So does Ruckert.

You don't draft "another option" at 10 overall.

You draft game-changing weapons.  

His fans seem to think Bowers is that.  I have my doubts, especially compared to a #1 quality WR.

That's where I'm at.  For sure Ruckert can block.  And he's a +weapon vs. the guy he's replacing (Uzomah).  If you don't take a WR you are going into the season with a) your WR3/slot guy being Lazard who sucked a$$ last year and b) your WR2 being Williams who is coming off major surgery.  IMO relying on Williams is no different than relying on Duane Brown last year.  If he's not ready, what's the fallback, Brownlee?  Resign Cobb?  The smart play in the 1st round is the WR.  Worst case is if Williams is good to go he takes snaps from Lazard...

[HessStation]

On 4/24/2024 at 8:21 AM, derp said:

Believe their OC likes 12 personnel FWIW.

Bc only basic bitch fans see Bowers as a TE instead of the unicorn he is. 😎

[Claymation]

8 minutes ago, DoubleDown said:

Assuming the Jets stay at or near #10, put me in the "anybody but Bowers" category.

Harrison, Alt, Nabers, Odunze, Fashanu, Fuaga, Latham.  One or more of these guys will be there and all of them would be far better picks.

I still haven't seen one person explain how TE is actually a need.  Conklin is as solid and durable as they get, and he has three young developing players already behind him.

JD has had plenty of misses in the draft, but I think it's pretty clear that he understands positional value.  When you are in position to take a blue chip prospect at a high value position like WR or OL, and it happens to coincide with two of the teams biggest needs, it's kind of a no brainer.

Conklin is average, Bowers isn't average. Yeboah is a dog with fleas. The other two aren't there yet, and I don't know if they ever will be.

I am not against Odunze, actually I prefer him, and Fuaga is the best run blocker, plus he's Samoan.

[#27TheDominator]

6 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

That's where I'm at.  For sure Ruckert can block.  And he's a +weapon vs. the guy he's replacing (Uzomah).  If you don't take a WR you are going into the season with a) your WR3/slot guy being Lazard who sucked a$$ last year and b) your WR2 being Williams who is coming off major surgery.  IMO relying on Williams is no different than relying on Duane Brown last year.  If he's not ready, what's the fallback, Brownlee?  Resign Cobb?  The smart play in the 1st round is the WR.  Worst case is if Williams is good to go he takes snaps from Lazard...

This is an argument if we are discussing one of the big 3 vs. Bowers.  When you are talking Brian Thomas Jr.?  There is positional value and value and reaching for the 4th best WR at 10 might be a pretty big mistake.  There will be other opportunities at WR beyond 10, and there are plenty of reasons I would probably prefer Bowers to Thomas.

[peebag]

It doesn't matter if they take Bowers or not.  2025 will be a rebuilding year for a new regime.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

29 minutes ago, DoubleDown said:

Assuming the Jets stay at or near #10, put me in the "anybody but Bowers" category.

Harrison, Alt, Nabers, Odunze, Fashanu, Fuaga, Latham.  One or more of these guys will be there and all of them would be far better picks.

I still haven't seen one person explain how TE is actually a need.  Conklin is as solid and durable as they get, and he has three young developing players already behind him.

JD has had plenty of misses in the draft, but I think it's pretty clear that he understands positional value.  When you are in position to take a blue chip prospect at a high value position like WR or OL, and it happens to coincide with two of the teams biggest needs, it's kind of a no brainer.

Yes!

The Bower boys ought to ask the Falcons if they'd rather have Jamarr Chase, Penei Sewell, or stick with their original pick of "freakish" TE Kyle Pitts at #4 overall 🤣🤣

People have short memories.

As with Bowers, the superlatives being used to describe Pitts were so over-the-top, and on some level, understandable, but unfortunately, reality hasn't jived with the hype train.

And Pitts (4.44) is bigger, stronger, and faster than Bowers 🤣

[RedBeardedSavage]

Just now, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Yes!

The Bower boys ought to ask the Falcons if they'd rather have Jamarr Chase, Penei Sewell, or stick with their original pick of "freakish" TE Kyle Pitts.

🤣

Let them fellas have the next few hours of happiness before we draft Byron Murphy II. 

[jetspenguin]

I personally think if we had any other QB who was mobile,  Brock Bowers would not be in the discussion. But after the injury to Rodgers, and him being 40 years old, the Jets will use Bowers as their
check down specialist. So they will play way more two tight end with two wide receivers offensive scheme. This will give Rodgers more blocking in pass protection, and the running game will also get a boost.  
When you watch Bowers he is a pretty good blocker.  And his forte is grabbing a short pass, and breaking tackles to get way more yards. He will get you that 3rd and 5 if thrown to him.  So I really think the
Jets are drafting Bowers. Like it or not, he most likely be the pick.  

We don't have a choice, he'll be the best of the leftovers.

Sent from the FOREVER AND EVER Suicide Watch desk.

[ToonforPrez]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

People referred to Christopher Reeve as “Superman” for most of his adult life and he was similarly injury prone

He fell off a Horse you Monster!! 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

15 minutes ago, Claymation said:

I am not against Odunze, actually I prefer him, and Fuaga is the best run blocker

You don't need to burn the #10 overall pick to find a good run blocker.

The Jets just signed one in FA in John Simpson, and it wasn't exactly a "bidding war".

LT is the way to go.

[DoubleDown]

6 minutes ago, Claymation said:

Conklin is average, Bowers isn't average. Yeboah is a dog with fleas. The other two aren't there yet, and I don't know if they ever will be.

I am not against Odunze, actually I prefer him, and Fuaga is the best run blocker, plus he's Samoan.

In an offense centered around Aaron, Garrett, and Breece, "average" at the TE position is perfectly suitable.  Ruckert is talented, well rounded, and deserves a chance to prove his worth after being developed by the team for two years.  They also have a high ceiling, physically gifted prospect on the roster in Kuntz.  Yeboah is certainly replaceable, but it should be noted he's a key contributor on special teams.  The main point is that the room is already talented and young.  Again, just don't see the need for another TE.

Bowers built his reputation largely on volume.  The Jets don't need a volume guy taking touches away from Garrett and Breece in my opinion.  They need a future #1/2 opposite Garrett or a blocker keeping Aaron's jersey clean and opening up holes for Breece.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

5 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

Let them fellas have the next few hours of happiness before we draft Byron Murphy II. 

He's probably 100x better than Kinlaw.

He'd be a day 1 starter.

[TuscanyTile2]

On 4/24/2024 at 9:40 AM, jetswin said:

I'd love Bowers on the Jets however I have one huge concern.  Would our baboink OC Hacker be able to come up with a plan to take advantage of him on offense or just use him as a routine TE?

"I don’t think I was ready for him to be as productive as he was in the pass game"

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

19 minutes ago, HessStation said:

Bc only basic bitch fans see Bowers as a TE instead of the unicorn he is. 😎

🤣

[#27TheDominator]

14 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Yes!

The Bower boys ought to ask the Falcons if they'd rather have Jamarr Chase, Penei Sewell, or stick with their original pick of "freakish" TE Kyle Pitts at #4 overall 🤣🤣

People have short memories.

As with Bowers, the superlatives being used to describe Pitts were so over-the-top, and on some level, understandable, but unfortunately, reality hasn't jived with the hype train.

And Pitts (4.44) is bigger, stronger, and faster than Bowers 🤣

Maybe all the anyone but Bowers people should consider that they are talking about the #4 WR at 10 overall.  The #4 WR in the Pitts draft was Kadarius Toney.

[Jetpain]

Brock Bowers  6'3" 243 lbs    56 receptions  714 yards   6 TD's        guaranteed Ring of Honor and likely gold jacket

Jace Amaro     6'5"  260 lbs.   106 receptions  1,352 yarrds   7 TD's     2nd rounder & one of many all time Jet busts 

[Claymation]

On 4/17/2024 at 9:14 AM, Rich Thornburgh said:

Does Zach just need weaponz?

Is that the best you got. Zach isn't on the team. Why bring him up?

[#27TheDominator]

8 minutes ago, DoubleDown said:

In an offense centered around Aaron, Garrett, and Breece, "average" at the TE position is perfectly suitable.  Ruckert is talented, well rounded, and deserves a chance to prove his worth after being developed by the team for two years.  They also have a high ceiling, physically gifted prospect on the roster in Kuntz.  Yeboah is certainly replaceable, but it should be noted he's a key contributor on special teams.  The main point is that the room is already talented and young.  Again, just don't see the need for another TE.

Bowers built his reputation largely on volume.  The Jets don't need a volume guy taking touches away from Garrett and Breece in my opinion.  They need a future #1/2 opposite Garrett or a blocker keeping Aaron's jersey clean and opening up holes for Breece.

Perfectly suitable?  What is this sh*t?  Ruckert is far from dynamic.  The idea is to improve the team.  There is no doubt that Bowers would improve the team, the question is whether he would improve it more than whoever else they can pick.  The arguments can get very saucy once we find out who is left.  We might be able to work a trade up or a trade down, but as I have said before the argument is quite different if you are discussing Odunze or Nabers vs. Bowers or Thomas/Mitchell.  

Kuntz literally was on the practice squad, available for any team to poach until about week 17.  He did not play a snap.  Yeboah is primarily a special teamer and was ahead of Kuntz the entire year.  The idea that you think these two fringe practice squad players should influence draft philosophy seems highly misguided.  You are worried about Bowers needing volume, but a WR would probably be the same.  I want a player that warrants volume by merit.  WR, TE, whatever.