nico002 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 This is something many of us have mentioned this year, but I was surprised and pleased to hear him really emphasize this publicly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Calvin Pace is a dinosaur, Erin Henderson is a decent player but is more of a run stopper than a pass defender. David Harris is getting older. Demario Davis is likely leaving. This position group needs a rebirth for sure, and it can't just be Mauldin. In the 2016 NFL, speed at LB is more important than brute force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Calvin Pace is a dinosaur, Erin Henderson is a decent player but is more of a run stopper than a pass defender. David Harris is getting older. Demario Davis is likely leaving. This position group needs a rebirth for sure, and it can't just be Mauldin. In the 2016 NFL, speed at LB is more important than brute force. Yep, and they HAVE to know how to cover guys as well. Clay Matthews had to learn it and he's done OK with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Our LBs as constructed by Rex are first and foremost run stoppers. Mac is going to have his work cut out for him in making that transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 With the 20th pick in the NFL 2016 Draft the New York Jets select.........Leonard Floyd LB Georgia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 The slow LB corps was clearly on display Sunday vs the Bills. Revis had the deep coverage on Watkins and the LB's could not contain the underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 He is right. This defense is slow. Fastest guy on field is the 31 year old cromartie. Rumor is he can still run a 4.4 if being chased by a process server with a child support summons Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Athletically Faster and mentally smarter . What good is being fast and stupid ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Athletically Faster and mentally smarter . What good is being fast and stupid ? Geno does not approve of this question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Athletically Faster and mentally smarter . What good is being fast and stupid ? Agreed. Faster doesn't necessarily just mean 40 times... team speed is often impacted by instinctive play and smarts. So, while we definitely need to shed some of the lead-footed LBers, we also need more guys that are smart (as you suggest), who play more instinctively, and less reactively. Fractions of seconds make a difference in this league. An example on Sunday was when Watkins bobbled that ball, Revis pulled up for a fraction of a second, and then when Watkins pulled it back in, Revis was no longer in position to make an immediate stop and he gained 10+ more yards on the play. A play that the old Revis normally blows up for an incompletion. Extrapolate those pauses and fractions of seconds to other positions, with players nowhere near as talented as Revis, and you'll see a lot of the plays that burned us throughout the year... on defense, on kick coverage... As for offense, I think it goes without saying that our RBs are slow as sh*t, and we have no speed from the TE position or the outside WR spot. Think about the mismatches we'd be able to create and exploit with a legit move TE, or a take it to the house RB. Our offense did an excellent job putting up numbers, considering it really only had a QB and 2 WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Agreed. Faster doesn't necessarily just mean 40 times... team speed is often impacted by instinctive play and smarts. So, while we definitely need to shed some of the lead-footed LBers, we also need more guys that are smart (as you suggest), who play more instinctively, and less reactively. Fractions of seconds make a difference in this league. An example on Sunday was when Watkins bobbled that ball, Revis pulled up for a fraction of a second, and then when Watkins pulled it back in, Revis was no longer in position to make an immediate stop and he gained 10+ more yards on the play. A play that the old Revis normally blows up for an incompletion. Extrapolate those pauses and fractions of seconds to other positions, with players nowhere near as talented as Revis, and you'll see a lot of the plays that burned us throughout the year... on defense, on kick coverage... As for offense, I think it goes without saying that our RBs are slow as sh*t, and we have no speed from the TE position or the outside WR spot. Think about the mismatches we'd be able to create and exploit with a legit move TE, or a take it to the house RB. Our offense did an excellent job putting up numbers, considering it really only had a QB and 2 WRs. We had Ridley plodding at RB, and only three catches outside of Marshall and Decker (2 of those to Ridley for zero yards). So yes, we really did only have a QB and 2 WR. And I guess one big run from Ivory (that still led to zero points ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I thought Harris had a good year and did a good job commanding the defense on the field. Not everybody can be lightning fast and I could take that guy being a little slow for the role that he played. The other guys at LB need a hard look for sure. Pace is most likely out. Henderson and Davis are likely relegated to depth. I'd really enjoy not seeing Davis in coverage anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Calvin Pace is a dinosaur, Erin Henderson is a decent player but is more of a run stopper than a pass defender. David Harris is getting older. Demario Davis is likely leaving. This position group needs a rebirth for sure, and it can't just be Mauldin. In the 2016 NFL, speed at LB is more important than brute force. Sounds like Myles Jack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 He is right. This defense is slow. Fastest guy on field is the 31 year old cromartie. Rumor is he can still run a 4.4 if being chased by a process server with a child support summons Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk He's better then that he's so fast that if he takes his pants off in a women's locker room they all become pregnant..Even women 60 and older.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 With the 20th pick in the NFL 2016 Draft the New York Jets select.........Leonard Floyd LB Georgia take care of LB in FA. Josh Doctson with the 20th pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Harris had a really good year. They need to swap out Davis for someone with better coverage skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Hmm, where have I heard that before? Seems like every new HC the Jets get says the same thing. How about a damn SB trophy the last 47 years! Things that remain the same: SOJ that share a stadium with the Giants in NJ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 With the 20th pick in the NFL 2016 Draft the New York Jets select.........Leonard Floyd LB Georgia He needs to bulk up or be super fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Everyone seems to be focused on the D in this thread. I didnt hear the presser but did he specifically say we need to get faster on Defense? Because their isnt any speed on offense either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 We had richardson playing OLB on several plays. I think OLB is the biggest problem speed wise. Even Mauldin is no speedster. I would have liked to see Reilly get more snaps over pace. Outside speed has been an issue on D. No speed rush and poor coverage from the OLB position hurt us this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lot K Tailgaters Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 When Harris got hurt a few games ago Bowles basically said he runs the defense. He is still good and brings leadership. Pace and Davis need to go. Mauldin was a great pick. Need to improve at the #3 and #4 receiver spots. For some reason Kerley doesn't fit in and Thompkins and Enunwa are #5 quality receivers. Also add some depth to the OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Everyone seems to be focused on the D in this thread. I didnt hear the presser but did he specifically say we need to get faster on Defense? Because their isnt any speed on offense either. Good point. A RB with above average speed would have scored on that 58 yd run Ivory had. Offense needs somebody that keeps opposing d-coordinators up at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 We need LB that can cover downfield and out of the backfield- also Buffalo burned us twice this year running outside the tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Everyone seems to be focused on the D in this thread. I didnt hear the presser but did he specifically say we need to get faster on Defense? Because their isnt any speed on offense either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 We've been talking about needing to get faster for 10 years now. We're very slow at getting fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Sounds like Myles Jack! Not getting him at 20 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Not getting him at 20 . Standard "It's too early to tell" waiver aside, probably not. Like Anthony Barr and Kuechly, the more they watch, they more they want.. One can pray though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Calvin Pace is a dinosaur, Erin Henderson is a decent player but is more of a run stopper than a pass defender. David Harris is getting older. Demario Davis is likely leaving. This position group needs a rebirth for sure, and it can't just be Mauldin. In the 2016 NFL, speed at LB is more important than brute force. I think Erin Henderson is plenty fast. Part of getting faster will probably be re-signing him to start in Demario's spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 We traded the speed in the front 7 away for Nick Mangold, and haven't had it since. All because Herm Edwards decided to play team doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 We traded the speed in the front 7 away for Nick Mangold, and haven't had it since. All because Herm Edwards decided to play team doctor. Abraham is done now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Abraham is done now So is Mark Gasteneau, what's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 We've been talking about needing to get faster for 10 years now. We're very slow at getting fast. WE have. THEY haven't, until now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 So is Mark Gasteneau, what's your point? I would rather have Mangold Then Abraham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 He is right. This defense is slow. Fastest guy on field is the 31 year old cromartie. Rumor is he can still run a 4.4 if being chased by a process server with a FIST FULL OF child support summonses Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I thought Harris had a good year and did a good job commanding the defense on the field. Not everybody can be lightning fast and I could take that guy being a little slow for the role that he played. The other guys at LB need a hard look for sure. Pace is most likely out. Henderson and Davis are likely relegated to depth. I'd really enjoy not seeing Davis in coverage anymore. Agreed. David Harris runs a "mental" 4:38 40! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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