Ryan Clady a Jet [MERGED]

[maury77]

To all the people criticizing this selection, what was your alternative plan? Start Brent Qvale? I saw some of his tape and it was very Adrien Clark-esque.

You can't go into the NFL draft counting on getting a day 1 starter at a particular position when you are drafting at 20, there are too many variables. Let's say, hypothetically, that Tunsil, Stanley, Conklin & Decker are gone before pick 20 and one of the top 3 QBs and a pass rusher are available. Do you really want the Jets to have to reach for an OT at that point? That is not how you build a perennial winner.

With the minimal cost involved (along with the modification of his existing contract), the Jets ABSOLUTELY had to make this trade.  

[Warfish]

8 hours ago, Mike135 said:

Don't think many would say Fitz was a "top QB" last season.  Still a welcomed surprise at times, but overall, average QB at best.

Depends on how you define "average" I suppose.  Or what the alternative was otherwise....

Completions 14th (of 32 teams, of 44 QB's who threw over 100 attempts), Jets All Time #2

Yards 15th, Jets All Time #2

TD Passes, 10th, Jets All Time #1

Etc.

Perhaps the problem here is we, as a fanbase, have been saddled with dogsh*t at QB for so long, that today's "average" looks great to some of our eyes.

And we're not in a hurry to trade away average for yet more dogsh*t.

Average is a hell of alot better than what we've had.  Or what we will have with Geno Smith (or Mike "couldn't even start in Tampa" Glennon for that matter).

But hey, lets keep deflecting away from the fact we just paid backup QB money to a guy whose only played 18 games in three season, and is in his 9th year as an O-lineman.  I'm SURE there is no risk there, right?  

8 hours ago, Mike135 said:

We all hope Clady can bounce back.

Well, we certainly have to hope that now.

8 hours ago, Mike135 said:

 The two season long injuries are scary, but other than those big ones, he seems to be pretty durable.

Four years ago he was.  Four years is an average career length in the NFL.

8 hours ago, Mike135 said:

It's a feast or famine thing.  Either he plays reliably week-in and week-out at an All Pro level, or he's out for seasons at a time.

No, there is a host of ways he could fail.  He could get hurt again.  He could simply play poorly because all the miles and injuries have made him a ghost of what he was.  It's most certainly not a All-Pro or Bust situation, a vs b.

[Jetlag]

What is so hard for people to understand?  Mac does not believe in having to count on rookies.  He likes walking into the draft with all positions covered (this is why I have no doubt there's a handshake agreement with Fitz in place).  

This enables him to draft BPA, period.  Get used to it, that's his modus operandi.  You may not like it, but it speaks to finally having a GM who is going to having a plan and a list of contingencies in place.  I love it. 

[HighPitch]

6 hours ago, Powpow said:

Yea its better to just go with 10 players and leave the LT position unguarded.

youve added yet another old man to your roster. plus hes injury prone.

good luck with that. we should be getting younger

[Jetster]

9 minutes ago, maury77 said:

To all the people criticizing this selection, what was your alternative plan? Start Brent Qvale? I saw some of his tape and it was very Adrien Clark-esque.

You can't go into the NFL draft counting on getting a day 1 starter at a particular position when you are drafting at 20, there are too many variables. Let's say, hypothetically, that Tunsil, Stanley, Conklin & Decker are gone before pick 20 and one of the top 3 QBs and a pass rusher are available. Do you really want the Jets to have to reach for an OT at that point? That is not how you build a perennial winner.

With the minimal cost involved (along with the modification of his existing contract), the Jets ABSOLUTELY had to make this trade.  

Plus if he proves to be healthy, has a great season & with Harris contract off the books, who cares that your giving your starting LT, that's top 5 in the league 10 million? Not me, for gods sake we're paying Harris, a 2 down LB that kind of money right now. The Jets have ALWAYS overpaid for blah positions for whatever reasons. New Orleans won a Super Bowl with our castoff center Goodwin. I love Mangold & he's been a great Jet, but as long as we're paying our Center & our 2 down MLB like top 53 roster money we ain't winning diddley poo.

[32EBoozer]

13 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Understood, but it's a lot easier/convenient for fans to say maximum on-paper efficiency suggests we tank every season until there's a worthy QB on the team. Not so easy to do to when you're the GM. As far as this 5th rounder:

1. A 5th rounder is easy to recover with an insignificant trade-back.

2. If we keep Clady as a 2 year starter it's worth that level trade down, but even without doing that the net gain may still be nothing. If we don't exercise his option because the money is too high, he becomes a UFA, and we'd be in line for probably a 5th round compensatory pick after someone else signs him.

It turns out the Jets received Denvers 1st Seventh Rd. pick (#228) in the deal. The differential in Draft value pts. is 26.

Per DraftTek 

http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

ROUND	1	ROUND	2	ROUND	3	ROUND	4	ROUND	5	ROUND	6	ROUND	7
PK/TM	VALUE	PK/TM	VALUE	PK/TM	VALUE	PK/TM	VALUE	PK/TM	VALUE	PK/TM	VALUE	PK/TM	VALUE
1  TEN	3000	32  CLE	590	64  TEN	270	99  CLE	104	140  TEN	35.5	176  CLE	20.6	222  TEN	2.6
2  CLE	2600	33  TEN	580	65  CLE	265	100  PHI	100	141  CLE	35	177  TEN	20.2	223  CLE	2.5
3  SD	2200	34  DAL	560	66  SD	260	101  DAL	96	142  SF	34.5	178  SF	19.8	224  SD	2.4
4  DAL	1800	35  SD	550	67  DAL	255	102  SD	92	143  OAK	34	179  SD	19.4	225  SEA	2.3
5  JAX	1700	36  BAL	540	68  SF	250	103  JAX	88	144  DEN	33.5	180  MIN	19.0	226  JAX	2.2
6  BAL	1600	37  SF	530	69  JAX	245	104  BAL	86	145  SF	33	181  JAX	18.6	227  MIA	2.1
7  SF	1500	38  JAX	520	70  BAL	240	105  SF	84	146  JAX	32.6	182  BAL	18.2	228  NYJ	2.0
8  PHI	1400	39  TB	510	71  NYG	235	106  CHI	82	147  MIA	32.2	183  TB	17.8	229  PIT	1.9
9  TB	1350	40  NYG	500	72  CHI	230	107  MIA	80	148  TB	31.8	184  NYG	17.4	230  CHI	1.8
10  NYG	1300	41  CHI	490	73  MIA	225	108  TB	78	149  NYG	31.4	185  CHI	17.0	231  MIA	1.7
11  CHI	1250	42  MIA	480	74  TB	220	109  NYG	76	150  CHI	31	186  MIA	16.6	232  WAS	1.6
12  NO	1200	43  LA	470	75  OAK	215	110  LA	74	151  DET	30.6	187  WAS	16.2	233  PHI	1.5
13  MIA	1150	44  OAK	460	76  LA	210	111  DET	72	152  NO	30.2	188  PHI	15.8	234  OAK	1.4
14  OAK	1100	45  LA	450	77  PHI	205	112  NO	70	153  PHI	29.8	189  DAL	15.4	235  DEN	1.3
15  LA	1050	46  DET	440	78  NO	200	113  TEN	68	154  OAK	29.4	190  LA	15.0	236  DET	1.2
16  DET	1000	47  NO	430	79  PHI	195	114  OAK	66	155  IND	29	191  DET	14.6	237  NO	1.1
17  ATL	950	48  IND	420	80  BUF	190	115  ATL	64	156  BUF	28.6	192  BUF	14.2	238  ATL	1.0
18  IND	900	49  BUF	410	81  ATL	185	116  IND	62	157  DEN	28.2	193  TEN	13.8	239  IND	1.0
19  BUF	875	50  ATL	400	82  IND	180	117  BUF	60	158  HOU	27.8	194  OAK	13.4	240  MIN	1.0
20  NYJ	850	51  NYJ	390	83  NYJ	175	118  NYJ	58	159  WAS	27.4	195  HOU	13.0	241  NYJ	1.0
21  WAS	800	52  HOU	380	84  WAS	170	119  HOU	56	160  MIN	27	196  NE	12.6	242  WAS	1.0
22  HOU	780	53  WAS	370	85  HOU	165	120  WAS	54	161  CIN	26.6	197  TB	12.2	243  NE	1.0
23  MIN	760	54  MIN	360	86  MIN	160	121  MIN	52	162  KC	26.2	198  SD	11.8	244  MIN	1.0
24  CIN	740	55  CIN	350	87  CIN	155	122  CIN	50	163  GB	25.8	199  CIN	11.4	245  CIN	1.0
25  PIT	720	56  SEA	340	88  GB	150	123  PIT	49	164  PHI	25.4	200  GB	11.0	246  PIT	1.0
26  SEA	700	57  GB	330	89  PIT	145	124  SEA	48	165  KC	25	201  JAX	10.6	247  SEA	1.0
27  GB	680	58  PIT	320	90  SEA	140	125  GB	47	166  HOU	24.6	202  DET	10.2	248  GB	1.0
28  KC	660	59  KC	310	91  NE	136	126  KC	46	167  ARI	24.2	203  KC	9.8	249  KC	1.0
29  ARI	640	60  NE	300	92  ARI	132	127  CHI	45	168  CAR	23.8	204  NE	9.4	250  NE	1.0
30  CAR	620	61  NE	292	93  CAR	128	128  ARI	44	169  DET	23.4	205  ARI	9.0	251  PHI	1.0
31  DEN	600	62  CAR	284	94  DEN	124	129  CAR	43	170  ARI	C 23	206  CHI	8.6	252  CAR	1.0
		63  DEN	276	95  DET	C 120	130  BAL	42	171  SEA	C 22.6	207  SF	8.2	253  DEN	1.0
				96  NE	C 116	131  GB	C 41	172  CLE	C 22.2	208  NE	C 7.8
				97  SEA	C 112	132  BAL	C 40	173  CLE	C 21.8	209  BAL	C 7.4
				98  DEN	C 108	133  SF	C 39	174  SF	C 21.4	210  DET	C 7
						134  BAL	C 38.5	175  SD	C 21	211  SF	C 6.6
						135  DAL	C 38.5			212  DAL	C 6.2
						136  DEN	C 37.5			213  SF	C 5.8
						137  GB	C 37			214  NE	C 5.4
						138  CLE	C 36.5			215  SEA	C 5
						139  BUF	C 36			216  DAL	C 4.6
										217  DAL	C 4.2
										218  BUF	C 3.8
										219  DEN	C 3.4
										220  PIT	C 3
										221  NE	C 2.8

 

[PatsFanTX]

youve added yet another old man to your roster. plus hes injury prone.

good luck with that. we should be getting younger

If Mac was such a genius as many have claimed in this thread, then he would have found a stud LT for the next 10-12 years in the upcoming draft.

All he did was apply another band aid approach by giving up a draft pick and acquiring an aging, injury prone LT.

[Sperm Edwards]

11 hours ago, Doggin94it said:

By the way, waiting on confirmation from Jason, but I'd bet that Clady's total 2016 cap hit is only 3M, not 6 - because if that remaining 3M is tied to Clady's health via per-active-game bonuses (what I'd expect given his injury history), then those bonuses are probably considered Non-likely to be earned incentives, which do not count against this year's cap, and only count against next year's cap.

I think it's that the $6M is for this year with bonus on top of that. The amount above $6M is what would hit in 2017.

The $3M figure seems to just be in there to prevent us from cutting him for nothing by August (in case we draft a left tackle in 2 weeks, for example), leaving him out in the cold as a FA when everyone else has addressed his position.

[Rangers9]

One thing you're seeing is that big Jets moves like Clady are not being leaked. We are being hit with this stuff without a lot of pre notice. In Clady's case there might have been a few articles speculating that Clady was available and the Jets "should" be interested but no bonafide tips or leaks.
And the usual suspects Mehta and Cimini do not seem to be in the mix anymore.  So you'd have to think that whatever happens to our Qb situation there will not be very much advance notice. Mac has cleaned up the Jets front office! And the circus left last year and went to Buffalo. 

[section314]

4 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said:

If Mac was such a genius as many have claimed in this thread, then he would have found a stud LT for the next 10-12 years in the upcoming draft.

All he did was apply another band aid approach by giving up a draft pick and acquiring an aging, injury prone LT.

You've seen the draft results already? Don't keep us in suspense...who did we get?

[32EBoozer]

19 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said:

If Mac was such a genius as many have claimed in this thread, then he would have found a stud LT for the next 10-12 years in the upcoming draft.

All he did was apply another band aid approach by giving up a draft pick and acquiring an aging, injury prone LT.

So he shouldn't be Proactive in getting a vet on a 1 yr deal before the draft so in case ALL the Top 3 or 4 OT are gone by the Jets pick?

I can see that your definition of "Genius" is fraught withstupidity.

Bellicheat gave up a promising yound DE for a "Jag" OG

Mac gets a 2x All-Pro for $4m less than he was due on a 1 yr. deal and a 5th for 7th trade...... With your logic= Pats Win 

[dbatesman]

24 minutes ago, Jetlag said:

What is so hard for people to understand?  Mac does not believe in having to count on rookies.  He likes walking into the draft with all positions covered (this is why I have no doubt there's a handshake agreement with Fitz in place).  

This enables him to draft BPA, period.  Get used to it, that's his modus operandi.  You may not like it, but it speaks to finally having a GM who is going to having a plan and a list of contingencies in place.  I love it. 

If he keeps doing this sh*t (and doesn't find a QB), it actually speaks to a GM that's going to necessitate an Idzik-level slash-and-burn job to fix his mess.

Btw, for the "lol ya rite Macca is Tannenbaum FOH brah" crowd: the bold is a pretty apt description of Mike Tannenbaum's team-building philosophy, and it's precisely how the team got to be both bad and expensive by 2012, not to mention how he got fired.

[FTL Jet Fan]

8 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said:

If Mac was such a genius as many have claimed in this thread, then he would have found a stud LT for the next 10-12 years in the upcoming draft.

All he did was apply another band aid approach by giving up a draft pick and acquiring an aging, injury prone LT.

Like it is so easy to find a Stud LT in draft when you pick at 20. The draft didn't hasn't even happened yet, why don't you wait before you judge. What would you have done if you were the Jets GM go into the draft with no LT, so all the other teams no exactly what u need. It also leave the possibility of coming away with squat. This was the right move at the right time. 

 

[Rangers9]

The Clady signing is a 3 million dollar gamble. I don't know the ramifications on paying him if he's injured during training camp. Or never takes a snap for the Jets. If they can release him or do an injury settlement. But the team thinks he is worth it based on his previous performance as an elite OT. And I guess he passed his physical. 

[32EBoozer]

11 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

One thing you're seeing is that big Jets moves like Clady are not being leaked. We are being hit with this stuff without a lot of pre notice. In Clady's case there might have been a few articles speculating that Clady was available and the Jets "should" be interested but no bonafide tips or leaks.
And the usual suspects Mehta and Cimini do not seem to be in the mix anymore.  So you'd have to think that whatever happens to our Qb situation there will not be very much advance notice. Mac has cleaned up the Jets front office! And the circus left last year and went to Buffalo. 

The fact that Clady had a visit to 1 Jets Drive and nobody knew about it is "Dome of Silence" perfection!

Woody and Bowles discuss the trade! LOL.

 

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

10 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

One thing you're seeing is that big Jets moves like Clady are not being leaked. We are being hit with this stuff without a lot of pre notice. In Clady's case there might have been a few articles speculating that Clady was available and the Jets "should" be interested but no bonafide tips or leaks.
And the usual suspects Mehta and Cimini do not seem to be in the mix anymore.  So you'd have to think that whatever happens to our Qb situation there will not be very much advance notice. Mac has cleaned up the Jets front office! And the circus left last year and went to Buffalo. 

Agree, amazing that it seems Clady was in FP taking a physical on Friday, stayed over night to finalize the deal and news did not break until the deal was filed with the NFL  

[Jetlag]

Just now, dbatesman said:

If he keeps doing this sh*t (and doesn't find a QB), it actually speaks to a GM that's going to necessitate an Idzik-level slash-and-burn job to fix his mess.

Btw, for the "lol ya rite Macca is Tannenbaum FOH brah" crowd, the bold is a prettt apt description of Mike Tannenbaum's team-building philosophy, and it's precisely how the team got to be both bad and expensive by 2012, not to mention how he got fired.

Except Tannenbaum didn't have the scouting chops to follow through with the draft to replenish the teams more expensive pieces.  I guess we will find out if Mac does.  Tannenbaum was always about the big splash but if that fell through never had a back up.  Mac seems more methodical and thought out.  Who knows, maybe that's just what I want to believe.  For right now the only move that seems to be biting him a little bit is that Revis contract.  I will cut him some slack seeing as it was his first year and CB was a position of dire need AND he had an entire fanbase whom he just met SCREAMING for Revis to be resigned.

[TuscanyTile2]

39 minutes ago, maury77 said:

To all the people criticizing this selection, what was your alternative plan? Start Brent Qvale? I saw some of his tape and it was very Adrien Clark-esque.

You can't go into the NFL draft counting on getting a day 1 starter at a particular position when you are drafting at 20, there are too many variables. Let's say, hypothetically, that Tunsil, Stanley, Conklin & Decker are gone before pick 20 and one of the top 3 QBs and a pass rusher are available. Do you really want the Jets to have to reach for an OT at that point? That is not how you build a perennial winner.

With the minimal cost involved (along with the modification of his existing contract), the Jets ABSOLUTELY had to make this trade.  

 

To me there are 2 QBs worth considering.  If Macc drafts Pax Lynch I'll call for Woody to bring back Idzik. Then again I'm usually wrong about QBs so it'll probably be a good thing. 

[Jet Blast]

50 minutes ago, Thor99 said:

Until the Jets start figuring out the draft, this is what we're stuck with. 

Last year Mac was forced to rely on Idzik's scouts since he was hired too close to the draft to turn over the scouting staff. This year will be the first draft with his scouting choices in place. It will be interesting to see (over time) if his guys help to improve our draft selections. Here's to hoping!

[TuscanyTile2]

4 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

The fact that Clady had a visitto 1 Jets Drive and nobody knew about it is "Dome of Silence" perfection!

Woody and Bowles discuss the trade! LOL.

 

 

Wasnt it the "cone" of silence.  In any case, hilarious!!

[Rangers9]

9 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

If he keeps doing this sh*t (and doesn't find a QB), it actually speaks to a GM that's going to necessitate an Idzik-level slash-and-burn job to fix his mess.

Btw, for the "lol ya rite Macca is Tannenbaum FOH brah" crowd: the bold is a pretty apt description of Mike Tannenbaum's team-building philosophy, and it's precisely how the team got to be both bad and expensive by 2012, not to mention how he got fired.

You're right in that if Mac blows it on signing a Qb (imo esp Fitz) and that translates into losses there will be no mercy from Jets fans. They will be flying airplanes over Met Life. But there were a few tip offs although no leaks. Recently Marshall told the media that he asked Bowles what's going on with re-signing Fitz. And Bowles told him not to worry it's going to happen. Now this is what Marshall said not the Jets FO. And word from the media after Brick announced his retirement was that he was asked to take a pay cut and was told the money would be used to re-sign Fitz. If true he obviously didn't go along with it. He wanted the money in his pocket not Fitz's . But with all this cap adjustment etc going on and possibly other players restructuring it could be just a matter of time. And Fitz isn't going crazy about this. He seems like a guy who isn't worried and maybe knows what's going to eventually happen. 

[PatsFanTX]

Like it is so easy to find a Stud LT in draft when you pick at 20. The draft didn't hasn't even happened yet, why don't you wait before you judge. What would you have done if you were the Jets GM go into the draft with no LT, so all the other teams no exactly what u need. It also leave the possibility of coming away with squat. This was the right move at the right time. 

 

You are missing my point.

Jets LT decides to retire leaving a gaping hole on the most important position on the Oline.

MAC addresses the situation and fills the position with the best option available. Any of the other 31 GM's would have done the same thing.

This move was out of necessity, and not some shrewd move by a savvy GM.

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

8 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

If he keeps doing this sh*t (and doesn't find a QB), it actually speaks to a GM that's going to necessitate an Idzik-level slash-and-burn job to fix his mess.

Btw, for the "lol ya rite Macca is Tannenbaum FOH brah" crowd, the bold is a prettt apt description of Mike Tannenbaum's team-building philosophy, and it's precisely how the team got to be both bad and expensive by 2012, not to mention how he got fired.

Good point, I think one major difference is shorter deals with escape options (helped with Cro, not so much with Fitz) 

As TT stated above; time will tell on the contribution of draft selections

[32EBoozer]

4 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

 

Wasnt it the "cone" of silence.  In any case, hilarious!!

My Bad.... you're right.

[Rangers9]

4 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said:

You are missing my point.

Jets LT decides to retire leaving a gaping hole on the most important position on the Oline.

MAC addresses the situation and fills the position with the best option available. Any of the other 31 GM's would have done the same thing.

This move was out of necessity, and not some shrewd move by a savvy GM.

Clady has been out there a while and available and there are plenty of NFL teams who need a good LT. So you can't not give credit to Mac. And he got a better O-lineman than Belichick got from the Cardinals. 

[KRL]

55 minutes ago, maury77 said:

To all the people criticizing this selection, what was your alternative plan? Start Brent Qvale? I saw some of his tape and it was very Adrien Clark-esque.

You can't go into the NFL draft counting on getting a day 1 starter at a particular position when you are drafting at 20, there are too many variables. Let's say, hypothetically, that Tunsil, Stanley, Conklin & Decker are gone before pick 20 and one of the top 3 QBs and a pass rusher are available. Do you really want the Jets to have to reach for an OT at that point? That is not how you build a perennial winner.

With the minimal cost involved (along with the modification of his existing contract), the Jets ABSOLUTELY had to make this trade.  

People are complaining about the trade because there are no "stats" or
"YouTube videos" associated with OLinemen.  Therefore people are in an
uproar because he's been injured recently.  Yes that's a concern BUT
people are totally overlooking the potentially MASSIVE upgrade at the
position.  People didn't complain as much when we got Marshall because
they were able to look at his "stats" and see what his production was 

[Gastineau Lives]

1 hour ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

That simply isn't true. Draft picks help the team merely by being used.

I apologize, I thought we were talking about the Marshall trade specifically.

[32EBoozer]

1 minute ago, KRL said:

People are complaining about the trade because there are no "stats" or
"YouTube videos" associated with OLinemen.  Therefore people are in an
uproar because he's been injured recently.  Yes that's a concern BUT
people are totally overlooking the potentially MASSIVE upgrade at the
position.  People didn't complain as much when we got Marshall because
they were able to look at his "stats" and see what his production was 

If healthy, Jet fans will immediately see the benefit of Clady over Brick!

Fitz and the entire Offense will benefit from this move.... if he remains healthy.

Having an extra second or 2 will make a huge difference to the passing game and being a better Run Blocker than Brick will help the running game.

[Jet Blast]

31 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

If he keeps doing this sh*t (and doesn't find a QB), it actually speaks to a GM that's going to necessitate an Idzik-level slash-and-burn job to fix his mess.

Btw, for the "lol ya rite Macca is Tannenbaum FOH brah" crowd: the bold is a pretty apt description of Mike Tannenbaum's team-building philosophy, and it's precisely how the team got to be both bad and expensive by 2012, not to mention how he got fired.

It seems to me that Mac is trying his best to field a competitive team while building for the future. When he took over there was little if any depth in most positions. That is something that will take at least 3 or 4... or maybe even 5 years to correct through the draft. So then the question becomes, how does one field a decent team in the interim, while trying to build through the draft? His solution is to plug in some free agents and trades to fill the holes, even if they are older. BUT... he has been getting draft picks back in these trades (albeit lower ones, but still bodies) AND... the contracts with these guys have been low risk and short term, so as not to tie up the future.

For those reasons, I disagree with your premise that this will lead to a gutting and total rebuild. I think his philosophy is right on target.

[joewilly12]

29 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

If he keeps doing this sh*t (and doesn't find a QB), it actually speaks to a GM that's going to necessitate an Idzik-level slash-and-burn job to fix his mess.

Btw, for the "lol ya rite Macca is Tannenbaum FOH brah" crowd: the bold is a pretty apt description of Mike Tannenbaum's team-building philosophy, and it's precisely how the team got to be both bad and expensive by 2012, not to mention how he got fired.

Finding a QB is what he's trying to do, not overpaying for one is being avoided so it seems. 

[32EBoozer]

Clady and Carpenter on the "Blind Side" will give Fitz no more "Fits" at night.

[Dunnie]

this is a lateral move at best ... a disaster at worst

[joewilly12]

3 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

If healthy, Jet fans will immediately see the benefit of Clady over Brick!

Fitz and the entire Offense will benefit from this move.... if he remains healthy.

Having an extra second or 2 will make a huge difference to the passing game and being a better Run Blocker than Brick will help the running game.

Why do you speak using Fitzpatrick as the QB he is not a member of this team. 

[Jolot]

I'm fine with the move , but to act like this is some huge upgrade over Brick is absurd .

[Charlie Brown]

1 minute ago, KRL said:

People are complaining about the trade because there are no "stats" or
"YouTube videos" associated with OLinemen.  Therefore people are in an
uproar because he's been injured recently.  Yes that's a concern BUT
people are totally overlooking the potentially MASSIVE upgrade at the
position.  People didn't complain as much when we got Marshall because
they were able to look at his "stats" and see what his production was 

You are right but there were people complaining about the Marshall trade.  In fact one poster yesterday said seeing how Marshall played it was still a bad trade!!!

Some who are against this trade seem to yearn for the days when the Jets openly misled players, had the Clarkes, Vlads and turnstile Hunters on the team with a FO that assured us year after year after year that these guys were "really good you know" and who couldn't wait to leak their every move so that they could see their. names the next day in the paper.  

I for one am glad that we no longer have FO like that. We have to wait for the results for sure but you can't in good conscious knock the effort.