Hackenberg Is Our Franchise QB

[PCP63 738]

I know it's hard to believe. You look at the stats and see the low completion percentage and overthrows.  You see a guy with bad footwork. How could he possibly be even a decent QB?

Stats don't always tell the full story. If you actually break down the game film, you'll see that he's really not that inaccurate. Most of his incompletions are due to pass rush, drops, and batted down balls. His footwork? After O'Brien left, the coaches kept making him switch his stance, making it awkward for him.

 

This is a kid that ran a pro-style Erhardt Perkins offense as a freshman. He makes the right reads, his audibles are immaculate, and he's very intelligent. Don't blame him for poor line play, and wide receivers that make the wrong choices on choice routes.

When you look at his plays, don't look at the yards gained. Those don't tell you anything. Look at the reads, the audibles, the progressions. If you do, you'll see that he's the most pro-ready QB in this entire draft. And our franchise quarterback.

[LIJetsFan 2,071]

Totally agree...I can't wait to see this kid on the football field, once again under a competent CS and an average to above average offensive unit surrounding him.    

[Kleckineau 11,839]

Two years of terrible tape doesnt lie.

[Fed Hill Jet 113]

You cant teach the mental stuff.  This kid knows and loves football strategy and the chess moves at the LOS.  He's got the physical tools.  As long as he is not rattled beyond repair after two tough years, I think our coaching staff can do something with him.  Getting more excited about this pick.

 

[CrazyCarl40 52,497]

Yeah. Totally. Good thing pass rush, dropped balls, and batted balls don't happen in the NFL. 

"Pro ready" QBs don't have to sit a year minimum. That's not how that works. 

[PCP63 738]

2 minutes ago, Kleckineau said:

Two years of terrible tape doesnt lie.

It wasn't terrible. Don't just look at the stats, look at what he actually did. I don't think I've ever seen him make an incorrect read. If he makes the correct read, but his wide receiver doesn't, why blame that on him? Now, imagine that happening at least a dozen times a game while your OL lets pressure get to him in under two seconds often. Yet he still only threw six interceptions, and played pretty decent.

[PCP63 738]

1 minute ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Yeah. Totally. Good thing pass rush, dropped balls, and batted balls don't happen in the NFL. 

"Pro ready" QBs don't have to sit a year minimum. That's not how that works. 

I can't think of a single team, even with the worst OL in the league, that let pressure in as fast and as often as that OL did.

[LunAticcalm 111]

He could be our franchise qb but everything I've seen points to him needing at least a year on the bench to fix what went horribly wrong the past 2 years.

by that time we might be coming off a three win season and a chance to select a better prospect at quarterback, and I am all for that kind of competition to emerge wher we might have 2 legit franchise quarterbacks pushing each other to be the best they can be

[pointman 2,552]

Rather watch him go out there than an overpriced loser like Fitz.

[Colgateman 148]

Lots of people are saying Sackenberg has been working very hard the last few months trying to improve his footwork.

Saceknberg went to Penn state at 18 and was running the Pat's offense, it's not to unreasonable to expect him to be able to run our offense by the beginging of the year if he is as smart as people say, and understands the game as much as people say

[kmnj 460]

16 minutes ago, PCP63 said:

It wasn't terrible. Don't just look at the stats, look at what he actually did. I don't think I've ever seen him make an incorrect read. If he makes the correct read, but his wide receiver doesn't, why blame that on him? Now, imagine that happening at least a dozen times a game while your OL lets pressure get to him in under two seconds often. Yet he still only threw six interceptions, and played pretty decent.

geno says lucky for him he did not have to throw to chaz and nelson 

[neckdemon 49,679]

its going to be a very interesting preseason with this kid thats for sure. 

[JoJoTownsell1 8,820]

22 minutes ago, Kleckineau said:

Two years of terrible tape doesnt lie.

There were 2 years of incredible tape on Geno in college.  How'd that work out for us? 

[carlito1171 1,265]

Had he transferred and went to Bama for instance...I think he's a 1st round pick.

Had O'Brien stayed there he's likely a 1st round pick. 

James Franklin undid everything that was good about Hack in 2 seasons....the sanctions completely depleted the talent on that PSU team. He only had 1 or 2 starters on that OL with scholarships. It was a makeshift unit and it showed. Looking back at some games he was getting killed on 3 step drop backs and screens...

The situation around him completely corroded and he stuck it out and went down with the ship...says a lot about his character. Bowles mentioned in an interview that Hackenburg was "very forthright and forthcoming" about what exactly went wrong those last 2 seasons...The brain trust thinks they can clean those things up...he has the size, the arm, and the mental makeup of a franchise QB....I didn't want him before the draft but after looking into this I think he's worth the risk. 

[Fed Hill Jet 113]

Hack has been sacked 103 times in the past two years.  The most sacked QB last year was Kaepernick at 43.

Has any QB in the NFL been sacked as much as Hack in 2 years?

 

[Il Mostro 2,254]

26 minutes ago, PCP63 said:

I can't think of a single team, even with the worst OL in the league, that let pressure in as fast and as often as that OL did.

He got absolutely murdered behind that OL. Playing behind a decent NFL OL might actually be a relief for him, despite the actual faster speed at the pro level.  The net effect may turn out to be a perceived slower and more rhythmic pace.  We'll see.

[SpartanJet 1,932]

Lets stop with this. 

I mean the kid had an awful college career.  One draft site claimed he completed under 61% of his passes when he WASN'T under pressure which is not good.  He has small hands and it shows when he wildly misses very simple passes to the flat or dumpoff passes.  His college tape is a horror show and its not all on his offensive line.  Now Mac claimed he vetted Hacknsack very thoroughly so I guess we kind of have to have some faith.  The odds of any of the 2016 QB's becoming anything better than a backup are low much less becoming a franchise QB.  I just hope we play him right away and don't waste 4 years like the Jets did with Geno to discover he sucks.

[Kleckineau 11,839]

8 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

There were 2 years of incredible tape on Geno in college.  How'd that work out for us? 

Ask Idzik or Ik, they know. ☺

[King P 2,294]

23 minutes ago, PCP63 said:

I can't think of a single team, even with the worst OL in the league, that let pressure in as fast and as often as that OL did.

Cal's O-Line was even worse than PSU's, and Goff did just fine.

Love how all the excuses are rolling in for Hackenberg. I'll assume this is just posters trying desperately to talk themselves into this pick

[PatsFanTX 29,906]

So, Hackenberg is the Jets franchise QB for years to come without even taking 1 snap in the NFL?

It must be April.

[Irish Jet 233,422]

Agreed. Stats don't tell the full story with this guy.

HASHTAG FRANCHISE

 

[Gas2No99 4,814]

IMO, All the 2016 QBs were projects and mostly back-up material due to different issues for each prospect.

I wanted Kevin Hogan. We went with Hackenweiss instead. No QB from this draft was worth betting the farm on, but we selected one with prototypical Franchise measurements,  Pro "UPSIDE" that can still be harnessed, and who is still growing and developing as a QB and person. 

Go with what we got, and hope for the best. There's ALWAYS Chad Kelly from Ole Miss in '17 

 

[Colgateman 148]

1 minute ago, Irish Jet said:

Agreed. Stats don't tell the full story with this guy.

HASHTAG FRANCHISE

 

MY QUARTERBACK

[Lupz27 11,674]

21 minutes ago, neckdemon said:

its going to be a very interesting preseason with this kid thats for sure. 

This will remind me of the 2009 preseason TBH, and wouldn't be surprised if Hackenberg gets a shot to split the starting reps in gm 3 VS the Giants 1's, and with the Jets 1's, and then if he shows any semblance of having it named the starter.

[JETSfaninNE 2,033]

22 minutes ago, Fed Hill Jet said:

Hack has been sacked 103 times in the past two years.  The most sacked QB last year was Kaepernick at 43.

Has any QB in the NFL been sacked as much as Hack in 2 years?

 

Thats his entire 3 yr college career.  Although I think only like 18 or 20 of them are from his freshman yr.  

[32EBoozer 4,135]

53 minutes ago, PCP63 said:

I know it's hard to believe. You look at the stats and see the low completion percentage and overthrows.  You see a guy with bad footwork. How could he possibly be even a decent QB?

Stats don't always tell the full story. If you actually break down the game film, you'll see that he's really not that inaccurate. Most of his incompletions are due to pass rush, drops, and batted down balls. His footwork? After O'Brien left, the coaches kept making him switch his stance, making it awkward for him.

 

This is a kid that ran a pro-style Erhardt Perkins offense as a freshman. He makes the right reads, his audibles are immaculate, and he's very intelligent. Don't blame him for poor line play, and wide receivers that make the wrong choices on choice routes.

When you look at his plays, don't look at the yards gained. Those don't tell you anything. Look at the reads, the audibles, the progressions. If you do, you'll see that he's the most pro-ready QB in this entire draft. And our franchise quarterback.

PCP63.............  I think the name says it all with this post!

We all want this kid to succeed, but let's let it play out. He's a Jet now, no redrafts.... we'll see at the end of the season if there ws progress.

In all liklihood we won't even see him other than practices and sideline shots holding a clipboard.

[elgoman 29]

QBs drafted in the late 2nd, with small hands, below 60% completion and low Adjusted Yards per Attempt numbers have historically never become real franchise QBs. All of the successful QBs drafted in the late second, including Dalton, Carr and Brees, had at least average hands, above 60% completion and high Adjusted Yards Per attempt number. The only statistical franchise QB trait Hackenberg possesses is his #1 recruit status. I don't hold out much hope for him.

[Savage69 9,481]

1 minute ago, Lupz27 said:

This will remind me of the 2009 preseason TBH, and wouldn't be surprised if Hackenberg gets a shot to split the starting reps in gm 3 VS the Giants 1's, and with the Jets 1's, and then if he shows any semblance of having it named the starter.

In 2009 the only QB we had was Clemens so it's a bit different with Geno and Petty on the team..

[JiF 142,734]

I sure hope he is because that would be cool 

[Lupz27 11,674]

Just now, Savage69 said:

In 2009 the only QB we had was Clemens so it's a bit different with Geno and Petty on the team..

Yeah, but I'm talking more in terms of excitement of a new beginning, should have clarified that.  When G Smith got his shot we all kinda knew this was not the start of a new beginning. 

[The Crusher 211,867]

56 minutes ago, Kleckineau said:

Two years of terrible tape doesnt lie.

Burn it.

[PCP63 738]

27 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

Agreed. Stats don't tell the full story with this guy.

HASHTAG FRANCHISE

 

First clip he was being hit and threw it away. A SMART football play. Two of those were just great coverage. The others? Every QB makes mistakes sometimes.

[PCP63 738]

12 minutes ago, elgoman said:

QBs drafted in the late 2nd, with small hands, below 60% completion and low Adjusted Yards per Attempt numbers have historically never become real franchise QBs. The only statistical franchise QB trait Hackenberg possesses is his #1 recruit status. Is that enough?

Again, the stats are usually a pretty decent indicator, but sometimes they lie.

[elgoman 29]

4 minutes ago, PCP63 said:

Again, the stats are usually a pretty decent indicator, but sometimes they lie.

In this case the chance the stats are lying is very low. The number of modern franchise QBs who performed like Hackenberg, were drafted where he was, with small hands, etc is virtually 0. Every other QB on our roster, Geno and Petty both, have a higher statistical chance of being franchise QBs than Hackenberg does.

[PCP63 738]

3 minutes ago, elgoman said:

In this case the chance the stats are lying is very low. The #1 of modern franchise QBs who performed like Hackenberg is like 1.

No, it's actually pretty high. He makes the right reads and the right audibles. His supporting cast just constantly had him under pressure, and his receivers were rarely where they were supposed to be. Did he have some bad throws? Sure, every QB does.