Charlie Brown Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Ovechkin8 said: http://www.espn980.com/cooley-and-kevin/ If any of you guys want listen to hour 3 specifically when they have the agent on. I have to be honest this was outstanding analysis!!! The analysis was crystal clear only Jets and Brown have the funds to get Cousins outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: I have to be honest this was outstanding analysis!!! The analysis was crystal clear only Jets and Brown have the funds to get Cousins outright. And I think the Browns will be going the draft route with 2 picks in the top 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, flgreen said: And I think the Browns will be going the draft route with 2 picks in the top 4 The key is you really have to like Cousins because if you want him you are going to ineffect make him the highest player in the league at least right now. They compared Cousins favorably to Mat Ryan and Mattew Stafford as far as his statistics. But the numbers coming down the pike are astronomical And it is also clear the Skins are a stupid organization . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: The key is you really have to like Cousins because if you want him you are going to ineffect make him the highest player in the league at least right now. They compared Cousins favorably to Mat Ryan and Mattew Stafford as far as his statistics. But the numbers coming down the pike are astronomical And it is also clear the Skins are a stupid organization . Cousins production is remarkably similar to Matt Ryan's over the last 3 seasons. And 'highest paid' in the NFL usually lasts a week, never more than a season. By the time year 3 rolls around, he'll be the 10th highest paid player or even lower. Amazes me that Snyder would throw that kind of money to Albert Haynesworth but not a productive QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: The key is you really have to like Cousins because if you want him you are going to ineffect make him the highest player in the league at least right now. They compared Cousins favorably to Mat Ryan and Mattew Stafford as far as his statistics. But the numbers coming down the pike are astronomical And it is also clear the Skins are a stupid organization . Yeah, after listening to that interview, and the guy really seemed to know what he's talking about, the fact that only the Jets, and Browns are really the only teams that can afford him with out destroying their cap, plus the fact that Macc has already tried to trade for him, strongly indicates to me that there is a high probability that Cousins will be a Jet next year. Jackie Davidson better be wording up a complicated offer that the Skins can't match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 15 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: That wasn’t Macc evaluating, watching college tape and drafting a QB though. That was a simple low risk-high reward flyer and he was, at the time of the trade, viewed as a really solid back up. Mac only truly chose 2 QB’s ..and they both sucked but hey.. you hit or miss. Two swings. Get us the guy this time..it’s the best QB draft in awhile. I’ll be expecting Rosen or Mayfield because I truly believe in my heart of hearts that Darnold is going back to school. I'm not really arguing the merits of the trade. Mac was very familiar with Fitz from his days at Houston. From a purely technical standpoint, the current GM has spent 2nd, 4th, and 6th round draft picks on the quarterback position, and he has essentially nothing to show for it. We need a complete rebuild at the position. We don't even have a 3rd stringer to show for the capital spent. With that kind of record, I'd opt for the proven talent with years of experience vs. trusting the judgement that's been on display thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, flgreen said: Yeah, after listening to that interview, and the guy really seemed to know what he's talking about, the fact that only the Jets, and Browns are really the only teams that can afford him with out destroying their cap, plus the fact that Macc has already tried to trade for him, strongly indicates to me that there is a high probability that Cousins will be a Jet next year. Jackie Davidson better be wording up a complicated offer that the Skins can't match If what you say is true, we may even give up a draft pick for him as well. That is if the Skins hit Cousins with the Transitional tag, interesting stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Likelihood of cousins to jets is rising (at least in my mind lol). im hoping we also make a splash for a star receiver. In draft we then can then get OL, EDGE, RB, CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Nah. Spend the money on oline and pass rush, draft 2 QBs Look how many teams get stuck after giving a huge contract to a QB. Let's not start the rebuild stuck with a huge QB contract He just doesn't elevate his team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Larz said: Nah. Spend the money on oline and pass rush, draft 2 QBs Look how many teams get stuck after giving a huge contract to a QB. Let's not start the rebuild stuck with a huge QB contract He just doesn't elevate his team Jets with Sanchez annnnnnd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: If what you say is true, we may even give up a draft pick for him as well. That is if the Skins hit Cousins with the Transitional tag, interesting stuff... That's what that agent said. Under the transition tag, which is what the Skins will probably use, you don't have to surrender a pick. Either the Skins match, or he's gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Just now, SenorGato said: Jets with Sanchez annnnnnd... You high? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Larz said: You high? Maybe but what’s that got to do with it? I’m straight up drawing a blank. Flynn? Seahawks never skipped a beat and its a faint memory at best for the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Maybe but what’s that got to do with it? Brees, Flacco, Stafford, Palmer, rivers They don't suck, but they stuck in neutral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Just now, Larz said: Brees, Flacco, Stafford, Palmer, rivers They don't suck, but they stuck in neutral Yeah but in the cases of Brees, Stafford and Rivers, it wasn't the QB that dragged the team down. Those were good contracts but the rest of the teams weren't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, Larz said: Brees, Flacco, Stafford, Palmer, rivers They don't suck, but they stuck in neutral Oh boi, really doubling down on this one eh? 4 perrenial playoff contenders and the no luck former potential badass that is Carson Palmer? First world problems yo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, flgreen said: That's what that agent said. Under the transition tag, which is what the Skins will probably use, you don't have to surrender a pick. Either the Skins match, or he's gone Yes that is where I got my great insight! The only way to get him would be then to make a deal with the Skins, which isn't crazy because Mac did try and make a deal for Cousins before. One wonders what would have happened if we had gotten Cousins and we never had Fitz or McCown under center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 While Cousins is # 1 on my wish list I don't want the Jets to do something completely crazy. Thankfully Macc has shown he's a pragmatist who won't let emotion sway him into making a terrible decision. The good news is if the Broncos got Cousins they're not drafting a QB, and we become their best trading partner in the event teams are trying to move up to 5. It would also mean the Jets can take a look at guys like Landry, Bell, and O Line to help whatever QB they draft. Under no circumstances should they sign Keenum, Bridgewater, Alex Smith etc.. F that! That would be the worst case scenario. If you're drafting a QB then resign McCown who is familiar with the offense and an ideal mentor to the new guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 18 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: Yes that is where I got my great insight! The only way to get him would be then to make a deal with the Skins, which isn't crazy because Mac did try and make a deal for Cousins before. One wonders what would have happened if we had gotten Cousins and we never had Fitz or McCown under center. Yeah, the guy was good Yes, if the Skins match the offer sheet the Jets could still trade for him. The optimum goal here is to write a contract that the Skins can't match. That's Jackie Davidson's job. Some thing like coming up with a contract that creates a 55M cap hit year one. Jets still have 45M in cap space. Skins only have a total of 50M cap space. Can't match. Or as the agent mentioned, put an opt out clause in it. If Jackie does some creative writing there shouldn't be any need for a draft pick. If the Jets are balls to the wall for Cousins they will get it done. Question is, do the Jets REALLY want to spend that much money on Cousins? If the rumor is true that Darnold is stupidly going back to school it really changes the landscape about the Jets getting a good QB at 6. For now I've changed teams and want to sign Cousins..............For now 21 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: Yes that is where I got my great insight! The only way to get him would be then to make a deal with the Skins, which isn't crazy because Mac did try and make a deal for Cousins before. One wonders what would have happened if we had gotten Cousins and we never had Fitz or McCown under center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 So basically just another click bait article shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Life Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 On 1/2/2018 at 5:22 PM, SenorGato said: Excuses excuses, but at the end of the day Mayfield’s team lost. He lost the most important game of his life - title for the second best team. Guy proved he cannot win on a bigger stage, just as fellow compiler Cousins did in his NFL playoff appearance. Peyton Manning never beat Florida once and never won a title in college..minus the Super Bowls and HOF career that guy was a loser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, Jet Life said: Peyton Manning never beat Florida once and never won a title in college..minus the Super Bowls and HOF career that guy was a loser Manning is one of the few, extremely few, who Learn How to Win after years and years of habitual Compiling. Guy took almost ten years as a starter to learn. Even still he had more years he Compiled than years he Won. Do the Jets or their fans have the patience to wait 10 years for someone like Mayfield, displaying all the symptoms of a career compiler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 15 hours ago, flgreen said: If they are going to go crazy over this guy, that's the way to do it. if it happens, it happens. I'm just not on board at this point, but won't jump out a window if it happens. At least they did something We are so utterly desperate for a QB no price is too high to pay for QB competence for this organization Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 9 hours ago, Jet Life said: Peyton Manning never beat Florida once and never won a title in college..minus the Super Bowls and HOF career that guy was a loser Mayfield is going to suck in the nfl but not because he lost in the college fb playoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Life Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 43 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Mayfield is going to suck in the nfl but not because he lost in the college fb playoff I think he will be good but understand why people don't think he would be. The logic of hes going to stink because he lost a playoff game is very stupid though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinamite Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I would rather they trade into the top 2 picks and get Rosen or Darnold. But since this is unlikley (because Browns and Giants will pick QBs and not trade out), Cousins could be appealing. My fear is that they trade up for the #3 pick, but to select Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 16 hours ago, DoubleDown said: I'm not really arguing the merits of the trade. Mac was very familiar with Fitz from his days at Houston. From a purely technical standpoint, the current GM has spent 2nd, 4th, and 6th round draft picks on the quarterback position, and he has essentially nothing to show for it. We need a complete rebuild at the position. We don't even have a 3rd stringer to show for the capital spent. With that kind of record, I'd opt for the proven talent with years of experience vs. trusting the judgement that's been on display thus far. Not wrong but considering the average career length for players in rounds 4-7 is 2-3 years and round 2 is 3-6 years I'd say he's kinda where he should be. 15 hours ago, Larz said: Brees, Flacco, Stafford, Palmer, rivers They don't suck, but they stuck in neutral Not sure I'd include Brees considering he has a good shot at going to the Super Bowl this year. (Rams and Saints are my picks for the NFC) I think you need to understand % of cap space allocated to realize why this is a bad post. We are in a situation where we can offer the moon and not put ourselves in cap hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 15 hours ago, Charlie Brown said: Yes that is where I got my great insight! The only way to get him would be then to make a deal with the Skins, which isn't crazy because Mac did try and make a deal for Cousins before. One wonders what would have happened if we had gotten Cousins and we never had Fitz or McCown under center. Pick swap with the Redskins is the only thing I would consider. We get cousins and 13 and they get 6 and the choice of their QB who is left on the board. This also allows us to take an edge rusher like Landry or Clelin Ferrell and keep our second round pick for an offensive lineman and hopefully Nick Chubb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, BCJet said: Pick swap with the Redskins is the only thing I would consider. We get cousins and 13 and they get 6 and the choice of their QB who is left on the board. This also allows us to take an edge rusher like Landry or Clelin Ferrell and keep our second round pick for an offensive lineman and hopefully Nick Chubb why do Raiders want a QB? http://www.businessinsider.com/jon-gruden-derek-carr-helped-raiders-job-2018-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 17 hours ago, Pac said: While Cousins is # 1 on my wish list.. just an fyi re cousins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, BCJet said: Pick swap with the Redskins is the only thing I would consider. We get cousins and 13 and they get 6 and the choice of their QB who is left on the board. This also allows us to take an edge rusher like Landry or Clelin Ferrell and keep our second round pick for an offensive lineman and hopefully Nick Chubb If the Skins put the transition tag on Cousins, and he is willing to play for the Jets, no picks should be necessary. The Jets have the money to just get him where the Skins can't match. Unless the Browns get involved in the Sweepstakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Talked to a few Skins fans yesterday about how good he actually was. From what I understand he can really win in the playoffs with a top 10 defensecand a good running game. Some say he can perform outside of Grudens system, others were heistent to give me a definite answer. They for the most part, agreed he is worth whatever he wants and Dan Snyder botched this entire thing because he has convinced himself that he put a decent team around Cousins for him to succeed when in reality he hasn’t done anything good for the offense so his narcissistic mindset is blaming Cousins for the 7-9, 8-8 seasons. He has done more with less for 3 straight years. Was very surprised with the things I heard. here are some of those... “Give him a decent running game and a top 10 defense and one good WR and people won't be questioning why his Top 5 stats don't get enough wins. Then you'd find out if he can win playoff games, because there is no way the Redskins are ever going to find out whether they sign him or not.” “The Jets are a playoff team with Cousins. I mean this is the same AFC where the Bills and Titans made the playoffs.“ “They didn't think Cousins was good after 2015 so they waited, and waited, and waited, because they don't have a clue. They probably don't even realize that Cousins proved them wrong 3 seasons in a row. They're morons, what can you expect? That's the real reason why our GM is gone. He was probably clowning on their idiocy, maybe while he was drunk he just couldn't hold it back but they were all drinking at their facilities so they can't say it was the alcohol when they practically serve it there.” “Dan Snyder is a buffoon who has convinced himself that the defense, offensive weapons, and special teams are all good enough. Cousins just can't put the team on his back and win with 0 help in reality. But find me the QB who has won with 0 offensive weapons other than a 3rd down back that no other team in the NFL signed when he was on our practice squad, and a defense that is ranked close to 30th and gave up 30 points in almost all of our losses, and a special teams unit that has no returner besides the guy who can't stop fumbling the ball and a coaching staff that can't stop blowing leads and giving up up to 21 points in the last 2 minutes of either half. Bowles will be a great coach for Cousins if they have the right kind of offense for Cousins. I don't know if he's going to step into any offense and do what he did here.” “Not sure he has enough to consistently win games against New England or Pittsburgh “ “He's a good QB and a good person. Unfortunately I think it will better off for him playing for a non dysfunctional team, a team that will not question his abilities year in year out.” ^ lol this one just doesn’t even know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Talked to a few Skins fans yesterday about how good he actually was. From what I understand he can really win in the playoffs with a top 10 defensecand a good running game. Some say he can perform outside of Grudens system, others were heistent to give me a definite answer. They for the most part, agreed he is worth whatever he wants and Dan Snyder botched this entire thing because he has convinced himself that he put a decent team around Cousins for him to succeed when in reality he hasn’t done anything good for the offense so his narcissistic mindset is blaming Cousins for the 7-9, 8-8 seasons. He has done more with less for 3 straight years. Was very surprised with the things I heard. here are some of those... “Give him a decent running game and a top 10 defense and one good WR and people won't be questioning why his Top 5 stats don't get enough wins. Then you'd find out if he can win playoff games, because there is no way the Redskins are ever going to find out whether they sign him or not.” “The Jets are a playoff team with Cousins. I mean this is the same AFC where the Bills and Titans made the playoffs.“ “They didn't think Cousins was good after 2015 so they waited, and waited, and waited, because they don't have a clue. They probably don't even realize that Cousins proved them wrong 3 seasons in a row. They're morons, what can you expect? That's the real reason why our GM is gone. He was probably clowning on their idiocy, maybe while he was drunk he just couldn't hold it back but they were all drinking at their facilities so they can't say it was the alcohol when they practically serve it there.” “Dan Snyder is a buffoon who has convinced himself that the defense, offensive weapons, and special teams are all good enough. Cousins just can't put the team on his back and win with 0 help in reality. But find me the QB who has won with 0 offensive weapons other than a 3rd down back that no other team in the NFL signed when he was on our practice squad, and a defense that is ranked close to 30th and gave up 30 points in almost all of our losses, and a special teams unit that has no returner besides the guy who can't stop fumbling the ball and a coaching staff that can't stop blowing leads and giving up up to 21 points in the last 2 minutes of either half. Bowles will be a great coach for Cousins if they have the right kind of offense for Cousins. I don't know if he's going to step into any offense and do what he did here.” “Not sure he has enough to consistently win games against New England or Pittsburgh “ “He's a good QB and a good person. Unfortunately I think it will better off for him playing for a non dysfunctional team, a team that will not question his abilities year in year out.” ^ lol this one just doesn’t even know. I joined a Redskins Forum a few weeks ago to get their opinion of him and I saw many of the same comments. For those who are upset that we'd be spending so much in cap space I suggest reading my Mock Offseason and see just what we can do with all that room. V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 59 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Talked to a few Skins fans yesterday about how good he actually was. From what I understand he can really win in the playoffs with a top 10 defensecand a good running game. Some say he can perform outside of Grudens system, others were heistent to give me a definite answer. They for the most part, agreed he is worth whatever he wants and Dan Snyder botched this entire thing because he has convinced himself that he put a decent team around Cousins for him to succeed when in reality he hasn’t done anything good for the offense so his narcissistic mindset is blaming Cousins for the 7-9, 8-8 seasons. He has done more with less for 3 straight years. Was very surprised with the things I heard. here are some of those... “Give him a decent running game and a top 10 defense and one good WR and people won't be questioning why his Top 5 stats don't get enough wins. Then you'd find out if he can win playoff games, because there is no way the Redskins are ever going to find out whether they sign him or not.” “The Jets are a playoff team with Cousins. I mean this is the same AFC where the Bills and Titans made the playoffs.“ “They didn't think Cousins was good after 2015 so they waited, and waited, and waited, because they don't have a clue. They probably don't even realize that Cousins proved them wrong 3 seasons in a row. They're morons, what can you expect? That's the real reason why our GM is gone. He was probably clowning on their idiocy, maybe while he was drunk he just couldn't hold it back but they were all drinking at their facilities so they can't say it was the alcohol when they practically serve it there.” “Dan Snyder is a buffoon who has convinced himself that the defense, offensive weapons, and special teams are all good enough. Cousins just can't put the team on his back and win with 0 help in reality. But find me the QB who has won with 0 offensive weapons other than a 3rd down back that no other team in the NFL signed when he was on our practice squad, and a defense that is ranked close to 30th and gave up 30 points in almost all of our losses, and a special teams unit that has no returner besides the guy who can't stop fumbling the ball and a coaching staff that can't stop blowing leads and giving up up to 21 points in the last 2 minutes of either half. Bowles will be a great coach for Cousins if they have the right kind of offense for Cousins. I don't know if he's going to step into any offense and do what he did here.” “Not sure he has enough to consistently win games against New England or Pittsburgh “ “He's a good QB and a good person. Unfortunately I think it will better off for him playing for a non dysfunctional team, a team that will not question his abilities year in year out.” ^ lol this one just doesn’t even know. as far as system they are using a WCO since a Gruden is HC. so coming here w/Bowles would mean we keep WCO even if Morton joins Gruden in oakland.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, SouthernJet said: as far as system they are using a WCO since a Gruden is HC. so coming here w/Bowles would mean we keep WCO even if Morton joins Gruden in oakland.. Don’t think Morton is going anywhere. We’d have to allow him to leave. Don’t think it’s going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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