#27TheDominator Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Jetster said: If that happened the Jets would be sitting in the Cat bird seat for a potential trade down that could change the course of this franchise! It may take our 2nd from Seattle to get Cousins if Skins transition tag him. Trading back from #6 could bring a small haul, depending on how far back we go and replace the lost 2nd, maybe get an extra 3rd & a future draft pick in 2019. Win, win. Or we're sitting at 6 and Bradley Chubb is staring at us. If we came away from this offseason with a QB (Cousins), pass rusher (Chubb), RB (Jones, Michel, Chubb), a Center (Jensen), CB (Johnson or Fuller), and maybe Richardson back? HOLY SH*T! Be really exciting offseason. With that haul there would be pundents thinking the Jets will finally vie for the AFC East Crown. That was my first thought as well, but... If one of the top 2 fell to 6, wouldn't the teams at 3,4, and 5 be even better situated to trade down? It also would almost certainly mean that Chubb is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Here's the thing, if the Jets REALLY want Cousins, they probably won't have too much competition for him other then the Browns and the Redskins themselves. Of all of the QB needy teams, only the Jets and the Browns have ridiculously excessive cap space. (Browns at $119 Million right now, Jets will be at $100 million after the expected cuts) In other words, if the Jets REALLY want Cousins, they can blow him out of the water with an offer that other teams would be hard pressed to match. The closest teams in cap space (besides the Jets, Browns and Skins) who arguably need a QB are: Minny $60 million in space Cincy $40 million in space Bills $32 million in space Broncos, Cards, Jags and Giants all around $28 million in space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, IndianaJet said: Here's the thing, if the Jets REALLY want Cousins, they probably won't have too much competition for him other then the Browns and the Redskins themselves. Of all of the QB needy teams, only the Jets and the Browns have ridiculously excessive cap space. (Browns at $119 Million right now, Jets will be at $100 million after the expected cuts) In other words, if the Jets REALLY want Cousins, they can blow him out of the water with an offer that other teams would be hard pressed to match. The closest teams in cap space (besides the Jets, Browns and Skins) who arguably need a QB are: Minny $60 million in space Cincy $40 million in space Bills $32 million in space Broncos, Cards, Jags and Giants all around $28 million in space. I agree. If mccags wants him, he can go balls out and get him and that would be nearly unilaterally praised. the jets would have a legit qb for at least 5-7 years. they could draft one this year in the 3rd or 4th rounds, drop hack and petty and really use those other picks to beef up the o-line and running game. truth, why wouldn't mccags not want cousins? it would probably give both him and bowles job security for years, and allow him to keep drafting BAP which is panning out most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 There will not be a single Free agent or Draft prospect QB that the media will NOT try to link to the NY Jets this offseason. Saying "The Jets are interested in...." is, literally, meaningless hot air. The Jets, weak at QB, will clearly be interested in kicking the tires of every possible legit QB. The QB's, in order to drive up their prices, will want to be linked to every team possible to create competition, including the needy Jets. So frankly, the phrase "the Jets are interested in....." means nothing unless it's backed by some actual fact, i.e. the Jets spoke with X's agent, the Jets interviewed X, the Jets met with X. Keep that in mind as the offseason starts to ramp up and the media's baseless anonymous "source" speculation goes into maximum overdrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: That was my first thought as well, but... If one of the top 2 fell to 6, wouldn't the teams at 3,4, and 5 be even better situated to trade down? It also would almost certainly mean that Chubb is gone. yeah, 6 will be a tough spot from which to trade down. At that spot we take BOPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, section314 said: Just tell me one thing......who are the top two QB's? Darnold and Rosen for me your opinions may vary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, Beerfish said: Darnold and Rosen for me your opinions may vary With you on Rosen, not so much on Darnold. I know you will kill me on this, but when all is said and done I think the first two QB's taken will be Rosen and Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Signing Cousins makes more and more sense. Him, Barkley at 6, an OT and CB in round 2, and we are good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, section314 said: With you on Rosen, not so much on Darnold. I know you will kill me on this, but when all is said and done I think the first two QB's taken will be Rosen and Allen. Won't surprise me, someone will think allen is wentz version 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: yeah, 6 will be a tough spot from which to trade down. At that spot we take BOPA All kinds of crazy things can happen. What if Darnold, Rosen, Barkley McGlinchey, Allen go off the board in the 1st 5? Jets would be looking at Chubb? best CB in the draft? 2nd best LT, Best Guard in the draft? Mayfield & Jackson still there. I don't think #6 is bad at all, especially if we can land Kirk Cousins. Lot of possibilities at #6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I still think Macc goes crazy and signs Cousins and Bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jetster said: All kinds of crazy things can happen. What if Darnold, Rosen, Barkley McGlinchey, Allen go off the board in the 1st 5? Jets would be looking at Chubb? best CB in the draft? 2nd best LT, Best Guard in the draft? Mayfield & Jackson still there. I don't think #6 is bad at all, especially if we can land Kirk Cousins. Lot of possibilities at #6. or connor williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, Butterfield said: I still think Macc goes crazy and signs Cousins and Bell. not bell. rb is a deep class, he can draft one on the cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: not bell. rb is a deep class, he can draft one on the cheap. I'm not saying it is what I would do. But, I do think it is what Macc does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 More (wo)Manish nonsense. Like we didn't know that Mac has had interest in Kirk Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 15 hours ago, HighPitch said: I almost barfed when it said the jets have their own issues with josh mccown becoming a free agent. wtf? Why why why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Ghost said: The Jets have had numerous problems throughout their past, but the main one is we haven’t found a franchise QB. I could be wrong: Kirk Cousins might turn out to be a great player for us and whoever we draft can be a true franchise QB. If we are in that situation, who cares? So we have two very good QBs on our hand. What’s the problem here? Lets draft another Gholston, Wilson, Milliner, Pryor, Coples. You can't sign Cousins for thirty mil then use the number 6 draft pick on a guy that MIGHT become good an that you hopefully will not have to use for five years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 McCowns success with the Jets in 2017 might help us land Kirk Cousins. Josh McCown won 2 games went 2-23 with the Browns & won 5 games here with the Jets and actually had his best year in a while before getting injured. He could be thinking, young team. Good draft picks, a lot of free agent money, stability at HC & GM with both given extensions. Best thing to happen in Cleveland for us was keeping Hue Jackson. 1-31! Is there anyone that believes this guy keeps his job without getting at least to 8-8? The 49ers are set & will definitely sign or tag Jimmy G. Denver & Jaguars are the wildcard in the Cousins sweepstakes. Jets can outspend the Broncos but the Jags have by far the best young talent and if Coughlin, who coached against Kirk thinks they need to go after him, Blake Bortles isn't keeping him from doing it. Would Kirk take less to play on a better team? I think the Jets odds of landing Cousins are pretty high & SAR 1 will have to relinquish his PSLs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 50 minutes ago, Jetster said: All kinds of crazy things can happen. What if Darnold, Rosen, Barkley McGlinchey, Allen go off the board in the 1st 5? Jets would be looking at Chubb? best CB in the draft? 2nd best LT, Best Guard in the draft? Mayfield & Jackson still there. I don't think #6 is bad at all, especially if we can land Kirk Cousins. Lot of possibilities at #6. You're sitting at 6, signed Cousins - and Buffalo offers you their 2 1's (I think it's 20 and 21 but could be wrong) Do you make that trade? Assume - Darnold, Rosen, Barkley McGlinchey, Allen/Mayfield are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: You're sitting at 6, signed Cousins - and Buffalo offers you their 2 1's (I think it's 20 and 21 but could be wrong) Do you make that trade? Assume - Darnold, Rosen, Barkley McGlinchey, Allen/Mayfield are gone. How is the pass rusher depth? Chubb is high in this draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I hope we are interested in every available QB, I have no idea who will be our QB but this franchise should be looking at every possible scenario to secure a long term starter at the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Even if we get Cousins, I would still look into drafting a QB, but I wouldnt spend a first rounder on one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: You're sitting at 6, signed Cousins - and Buffalo offers you their 2 1's (I think it's 20 and 21 but could be wrong) Do you make that trade? Assume - Darnold, Rosen, Barkley McGlinchey, Allen/Mayfield are gone. Nice hypo and it’s quite possible, I think, that the first 5 picks would go down like that. Chubb is probably the only one I’d be worried about missing out on. I don’t want the G Nelson, the S Fitz. The Combine will determine whether OLB Keye is in the discussion. The only issue for me would be in Mayfield was still there and we let Buffalo take him. But with Cousins we can’t worry about that. For me it comes down to how closely the other OLB are all rated and whether we signed someone to rush the passer in FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, BrickTamland said: Nice hypo and it’s quite possible, I think, that the first 5 picks would go down like that. Chubb is probably the only one I’d be worried about missing out on. I don’t want the G Nelson, the S Fitz. The Combine will determine whether OLB Keye is in the discussion. The only issue for me would be in Mayfield was still there and we let Buffalo take him. But with Cousins we can’t worry about that. For me it comes down to how closely the other OLB are all rated and whether we signed someone to rush the passer in FA Correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 34 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: You're sitting at 6, signed Cousins - and Buffalo offers you their 2 1's (I think it's 20 and 21 but could be wrong) Do you make that trade? Assume - Darnold, Rosen, Barkley McGlinchey, Allen/Mayfield are gone. Not if Chubb is there. Nope. If I knew we can get guys like Ward and maybe O. Brown. But it's so far down it's a gamble of who'd be left. Wouldn't wanna be stuck with leftovers end of tier 2/tier 3 guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 39 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: You're sitting at 6, signed Cousins - and Buffalo offers you their 2 1's (I think it's 20 and 21 but could be wrong) Do you make that trade? Assume - Darnold, Rosen, Barkley McGlinchey, Allen/Mayfield are gone. Pass, way too far a drop down and what this roster lacks now is stars. Take the best pass rusher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 45 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: You're sitting at 6, signed Cousins - and Buffalo offers you their 2 1's (I think it's 20 and 21 but could be wrong) Do you make that trade? Assume - Darnold, Rosen, Barkley McGlinchey, Allen/Mayfield are gone. No you take Chubb unless he runs a 4.7...which he might maybe higher who jnows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 53 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: You're sitting at 6, signed Cousins - and Buffalo offers you their 2 1's ( picks 21 & 22). Do you make that trade? Assume - Darnold, Rosen, Barkley McGlinchey, Allen/Mayfield are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Gastineau Lives said: You can't sign Cousins for thirty mil then use the number 6 draft pick on a guy that MIGHT become good an that you hopefully will not have to use for five years. You can't sign Cousins for all that cash then use the #6 pick to draft a guy who might be BETTER then Cousins....then you have to wrestle with the problem of benching a guy making $25 million a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, IndianaJet said: You can't sign Cousins for all that cash then use the #6 pick to draft a guy who might be BETTER then Cousins....then you have to wrestle with the problem of benching a guy making $25 million a year. Sounds like a real hell situation for the Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Kirk Cousins + Demarcus Lawrence + offensive player/pass rusher at #6 makes the Jets legitimately good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Kirk Cousins + Demarcus Lawrence + offensive player/pass rusher at #6 makes the Jets legitimately good.Need a WR and RB. Get both is those in round 2. Plus oline in FA. And yes - this team is immediately competitive. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, IndianaJet said: You can't sign Cousins for all that cash then use the #6 pick to draft a guy who might be BETTER then Cousins....then you have to wrestle with the problem of benching a guy making $25 million a year. That's another thing. You have to eat the guaranteed money. You can't have a 28 million dollar backup QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#bman Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Sign Cousins. Draft his eventual replacement in a few years. Cousins/Hack for 2018! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, detectivekimble said: Kirk Cousins + Demarcus Lawrence + offensive player/pass rusher at #6 makes the Jets legitimately good. Cowboys are franchising Lawrence, no way he hits free agency. That's why I'm hoping we sign Cousins & Chubb falls to 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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