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When will Darron Lee get cut?  

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  1. 1. When will Darron Lee get cut?

    • During the 2018 season
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    • Next offseason
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    • Never, Macc already has his $45 million extension drawn up
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2 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

woa woa woa guys, he has only underperformed for a little while, we really should really wait until he plays for us a good 7 or 8 seasons before deciding if he is any good. I mean he could get better.  right? right???

Let’s see if in the year 2049 he learns how to cover NFL tight ends and not play like a b-tch amirite?!?

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NFL Linebacker Rankings for 2018

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Luke Kuechly remains the gold standard when it comes to inside linebackers

Athlon Sports 2018 Pro Football Magazine

Defensive linemen may be the ones wining the hardware, but every good defense in the NFL has to have solid linebackers in place to be effective. Not only are they the ones usually making the bulk of the tackles, the really good linebackers also find ways to contribute both in pass coverage and as a pass rusher.


Consider that besides accounting for the top 11 tacklers in 2017, four different linebackers finished with double-digit sacks and there were several among the league leaders in forced fumbles. So whether they line up inside or wreak havoc from the outside, here are Athlon Sports' linebacker rankings entering the 2018 season.

 

Athlon's player rankings are just one of the features that appear in the 2018 NFL Preview magazine.

 

2018 NFL Inside Linebacker Rankings

 

1. Luke Kuechly, Carolina

Wasted no time re-establishing himself as the NFL's top MLB after missing the final six games of 2016 with a concussion. Penchant for doing things the right way also led to his being named the NFL's 2017 Art Rooney Sportsmanship Award winner.

 

2. Bobby Wagner, Seattle

Would surpass Eugene Robinson (942) as Seahawks' all-time leading tackler in 2019 at his current pace. Just one tackle away from passing Joe Nash (779) for third place on Seattle's list.

 

3. C.J. Mosley, Baltimore

Baltimore Ravens LB C.J. MosleyHit the ground running as a rookie in 2014 and hasn't slowed down since. His 474 tackles rank fifth among all NFL players over the past four seasons.

 

4. Eric Kendricks, Minnesota

The Vikings' leading tackler for three straight seasons, the past two of which saw Minnesota finish in the top three defensively in yards allowed. Versatile enough in pass defense to cover or blitz as evidenced by his career-high 13 QB hits in 2017.

 

5. Deion Jones, Atlanta

A huge reason the Falcons finished with top-10 rankings in total and scoring defense for the first time since their 1998 Super Bowl season. Led the Falcons in tackles (138) and interceptions (three).

 

6. Dont'a Hightower, New England

After he played in only five games last season because of a shoulder injury, Hightower's return is anxiously awaited by a defense that allowed an un-Patriot-like 366 yards per game in 2017. Versatile enough to excel at both inside and outside linebacker spots.

 

7. Benardrick McKinney, Houston

Now unquestionably the franchise's top inside linebacker following Brian Cushing's offseason release. Led the 2017 Texans with 95 tackles, including seven that went for a loss.

 

8. Blake Martinez, Green Bay

Martinez became the first Packers player with 150-plus tackles (158, to be exact) since A.J. Hawk in 2013. Likely to replace the departed Morgan Burnett (Pittsburgh) as Green Bay's defensive signal caller, which shows how much he's already valued by new Packers defensive coordinator Mike Pettine.

 

9. Zach Brown, Washington

Unhappy with what was being offered in last year's free-agent market, Brown signed a one-year deal with the Redskins intent on raising his value for the 2018 offseason. He did just that, earning a three-year, $24 million extension following a 127-tackle showing.

 

10. Alec Ogletree, New York Giants

Combination of other personnel priorities and his being a less-than-ideal system fit in the Rams' 3-4 defense led to Ogletree's offseason trade to New York despite having signed a four-year, $42.8 million extension just five months earlier. Becomes the linebacker force the Giants have sorely lacked since Antonio Pierce's heyday a decade earlier.

 

11. Anthony Hitchens, Kansas City

12. Preston Brown, Cincinnati

13. Darron Lee, New York Jets

14. Wesley Woodyard, Tennessee

15. Demario Davis, New Orleans

16. Avery Williamson, New York Jets

17. Jarrad Davis, Detroit

18. Vince Williams, Pittsburgh

19. Kwon Alexander, Tampa Bay

20. Joe Schobert, Cleveland

 

2018 3-4 Outside Linebacker Rankings

 

1. Von Miller, Denver

The NFL's sack leader since 2014 with 48.5. Ranks second in NFL history in sacks per game (0.80) among players who have appeared in 100 or more contests, trailing only Reggie White (0.85).

 

2. Jadeveon Clowney, Houston

Houston Texans LB Jadeveon ClowneyThe first AFC player since 2015 with 20-plus tackles for a loss and 20-plus QB hits in the same season. Played in all 16 games for the first time since being the No. 1 overall pick of the 2014 draft.

 

3. Ryan Kerrigan, Washington

Kerrigan's 47 sacks rank second among all defensive players since 2014. One of only eight players to have started every game since entering the NFL in 2011.

 

4. Terrell Suggs, Baltimore

The Ravens team MVP continued to flourish even after turning 35 last October. Ranks second among active sack leaders with 125.5.

 

5. Brian Orakpo, Tennessee

The first Titans player since Jevon Kearse (1999-2001) to record at least seven sacks in three consecutive seasons. Also credited with a career-best 73 QB pressures in 2017.

 

6. Clay Matthews, Green Bay

Continued to sacrifice heavy pass-rushing role for multi-faceted use in Dom Capers' defensive scheme. That situation may change with Mike Pettine becoming Green Bay's new D-coordinator.

 

7. Justin Houston, Kansas City

Injuries and lack of supporting cast have kept Houston from approaching the 22-sack season he enjoyed in 2014. He'll need to prove worthy of a scheduled $15.3 million salary in 2019.

 

 

 

8. Preston Smith, Washington

Career highs in tackles (42) and interceptions (two) combined with eight sacks reflect development toward becoming a premier OLB.

 

9. T.J. Watt, Pittsburgh

It's easy to find No. 90 on the field because of how much energy he brought, not to mention the seven sacks that tied for second best among all rookies. Set to start assuming a bigger leadership role.

 

10. Whitney Mercilus, Houston

After mustering 19.5 combined sacks the previous two years, a torn pectoral muscle ended his 2017 season in Week 5. Described by teammate J.J. Watt as "one of the most underrated players in the league" for his combination of run-stuffing prowess and pass-rushing ability.

 

11. Matt Judon, Baltimore
12. Leonard Floyd, Chicago
13. Bud Dupree, Pittsburgh
14. Derrick Morgan, Tennessee
15. Nick Perry, Green Bay
16. Dee Ford, Kansas City
17. Shaq Barrett, Denver
18. Jordan Jenkins, New York Jets
19. Shane Ray, Denver
20. Connor Barwin, Free Agent

 

2018 4-3 Outside Linebacker Rankings

 

1. Sean Lee, Dallas

Dallas Cowboys LB Sean LeeThe Cowboys' defense can't function effectively without him in the lineup. Still struggles with injuries, having never completed a 16-game season during eight years in the NFL.

 

2. Anthony Barr, Minnesota

Rebounded after a subpar 2016 campaign. Also earned a permanent historical spot in the Vikings-Packers feud by breaking Aaron Rodgers' collarbone.

 

3. Lavonte David, Tampa Bay

One of only two players -- along with Thomas Davis -- with at least 15 sacks and 10 interceptions over the past six seasons. Knack for big plays reflected by his franchise-record five fumble recoveries in 2017.

 

4. Telvin Smith, Jacksonville

Carolina's Luke Kuechly and Baltimore's C.J. Mosley are the only other players with 400-plus tackles, five interceptions and at least four forced and recovered fumbles since 2014. Had 14 tackles and a 50-yard fumble return for a touchdown in a playoff upset of Pittsburgh.

 

5. K.J. Wright, Seattle

A model of consistency with four straight seasons of 100-plus tackles. Excellent range for someone so big at 6'4" and 246 pounds.

 

6. Thomas Davis, Carolina

The first NFL player ever to overcome three torn ACLs in the same knee will be calling it a career on his own terms after the 2018 season. No Panthers player has ever appeared in more postseason games (11).

 

7. Nigel Bradham, Philadelphia

Flourished after moving full time to middle linebacker and assuming the play-calling responsibilities once Jordan Hicks suffered a torn Achilles tendon at midseason. Led all Eagles LBs with 99 tackles, which helped him earn a five-year, $40 million contract extension.

 

8. Shaq Thompson, Carolina

His skills in run-stopping and coverage in Carolina's "Big Nickel" package allow the Panthers to remain primarily in their base defense rather than have to substitute an extra defensive back. This allows Carolina to blitz DBs more than any other team.

 

9. Myles Jack, Jacksonville

His first year as a full-time understudy went smoothly, which is a credit to Jack's work ethic and the tutoring of teammate Paul Posluszny. Could possibly be returning to play at middle linebacker because of Posluszny's retirement.

 

10. Mychal Kendricks, Cleveland

After floundering in his first year under coordinator Jim Schwartz, Kendricks produced 73 tackles and teamed with Nigel Bradham to help anchor the NFL's top-ranked run defense (79.2 ypg). A cap casualty with the Eagles, Kendricks signed a one-year deal in early June to join the Browns.

 

11. Kyle Van Noy, New England

12. Tahir Whitehead, Oakland

13. Lorenzo Alexander, Buffalo

14. Jamie Collins, Cleveland

15. Christian Kirksey, Cleveland

16. Vontaze Burfict, Cincinnati

17. Kiko Alonso, Miami

18. Christian Jones, Detroit

19. Devon Kennard, Detroit

20. DeVondre Campbell, Atlanta

 

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Chg Rank Player Tm Bye
  1 Deion Jones ATL 8
  2 C.J. Mosley BAL 10
  3 Alec Ogletree NYG 9
Tier 2
  4 Jamie Collins CLE 11
  5 Blake Martinez GB 7
  6 Luke Kuechly btn_checkmark_green.gif CAR 4
  7 Christian Kirksey CLE 11
  8 Bobby Wagner SEA 7
  9 Kwon Alexander TB 5
  10 Lavonte David btn_checkmark_green.gif TB 5
  11 Telvin Smith JAC 9
  12 Zach Brown btn_checkmark_green.gif WAS 4
  13 Malcolm Smith SF 11
  14 Wesley Woodyard TEN 8
  15 Preston Brown btn_checkmark_green.gif CIN 9
  16 Tremaine Edmunds btn_checkmark_green.gif BUF 11
  17 Eric Kendricks MIN 10
Tier 3
  18 Von Miller btn_checkmark_green.gif DEN 10
  19 Benardrick McKinney HOU 10
  20 Thomas Davis CAR 4
  21 Sean Lee btn_checkmark_green.gif btn_caution2.gif DAL 8
icn_arrow_Up_medium.gif 22 K.J. Wright btn_checkmark_green.gif SEA 7
  23 Brandon Marshall btn_caution2.gif DEN 10
  24 Jarrad Davis DET 6
  25 Rashaan Evans btn_checkmark_green.gif TEN 8
icn_arrow_Down_medium.gif 26 Mark Barron LAR 12
icn_arrow_Down_medium.gif 27 Roquan Smith btn_caution2.gif CHI 5
  28 Avery Williamson NYJ 11
  29 Justin Houston KC 12
  30 Danny Trevathan CHI 5
  31 Joe Schobert btn_caution2.gif CLE 11
  32 Tahir Whitehead OAK 7
  33 Kiko Alonso MIA 11
  34 T.J. Watt PIT 7
  35 Nigel Bradham PHI 9
  36 Vince Williams PIT 7
  37 Darron Lee NYJ 11
  38 Darius Leonard IND 9
  39 DeMario Davis NO 6
icn_arrow_Down_medium.gif 40 Leighton Vander Esch btn_caution2.gif DAL 8
  41 Antonio Morrison IND 9
  42 Deone Bucannon btn_checkmark_green.gif ARI 9
Tier 4
  43 Jordan Hicks PHI 9
  44 Bradley Chubb btn_checkmark_green.gif DEN 10
  45 Craig Robertson NO 6
  46 Ryan Kerrigan WAS 4
  47 Terrell Suggs BAL 10
  48 Myles Jack JAC 9
  49 Jayon Brown TEN 8
  50 Anthony Hitchens btn_checkmark_green.gif KC 12
  51 De'Vondre Campbell ATL 8
  52 Derrick Johnson OAK 7
  53 Matt Judon BAL 10
  54 Kyle Van Noy NE 11
  55 Raekwon McMillan btn_caution2.gif MIA 11
  56 Anthony Barr MIN 10
  57 Jaylon Smith DAL 8
  58 Dont'a Hightower NE 11
  59 Reuben Foster btn_checkmark_green.gif btn_caution2.gif SF 11
icn_arrow_Up_medium.gif 60 Reggie Ragland btn_checkmark_green.gif KC 12
  61 Oren Burks GB 7
  62 Jerome Baker btn_caution2.gif MIA 11
  63 Patrick Onwuasor BAL 10
  64 Brian Orakpo TEN 8
icn_arrow_Down_medium.gif 65 Blair Brown JAC 9
  66 Vontaze Burfict btn_caution2.gif CIN 9
  67 Whitney Mercilus HOU 10
  68 Preston Smith WAS 4
  69 Jordan Jenkins NYJ 11
  70 Josh Bynes ARI 9
  71 Mason Foster btn_caution2.gif WAS 4
  72 Zach Cunningham HOU 10
  73 Lorenzo Alexander btn_caution2.gif BUF 11
  74 Mychal Kendricks CLE 11
  75 Vincent Rey CIN 9
  76 Kendell Beckwith TB 5
  77 Todd Davis DEN 10
  78 B.J. Goodson NYG 9
  79 Jatavis Brown btn_checkmark_green.gif LAC 8
  80 Clay Matthews GB 7
icn_arrow_Up_medium.gif 81 Denzel Perryman LAC 8
  82 Connor Barwin NYG 9
  83 Christian Jones DET 6
  84 Jadeveon Clowney HOU 10
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  85 Cory Littleton LAR 12
  86 Bruce Irvin btn_caution2.gif OAK 7
  87 Anthony Walker Jr. IND 9
  88 Nick Perry GB 7
  89 Jon Bostic btn_caution2.gif PIT 7
  90 Haason Reddick ARI 9
  91 Devon Kennard DET 6
icn_arrow_Up_medium.gif 92 Leon Jacobs JAC 9
  93 Carl Lawson CIN 9
  94 Derrick Morgan TEN 8
  95 Ramon Humber BUF 11
  96 Elandon Roberts btn_caution2.gif NE 11
  97 Barkevious Mingo SEA 7
icn_arrow_Down_medium.gif 98 Leonard Floyd CHI 5
  99 Shaq Thompson CAR 4
icn_arrow_Up_medium.gif 100 Ray Ray Armstrong NYG 9
  101 Brock Coyle SF 11
  102 Bud Dupree PIT 7
  103 Hayes Pullard LAC 8
  104 Marquis Flowers NE 11
  105 Kemal Ishmael btn_checkmark_green.gif ATL 8
  106 John Simon IND 9
  107 Samson Ebukam LAR 12
  108 A.J. Klein NO 6
  109 Matt Longacre LAR 12
  110 Dee Ford KC 12
  111 Nick Kwiatkoski CHI 5
  112 Manti Te'o NO 6
  113 Nicholas Morrow OAK 7
  114 Ramik Wilson LAR 12
  115 Emmanuel Lamur btn_checkmark_green.gif OAK 7
  116 Shaquil Barrett DEN 10
  117 Frank Zombo KC 12
  118 Stephone Anthony MIA 11
  119 Eli Harold SF 11
  120 Za'Darius Smith BAL 10
  121 Kemoko Turay IND 9
  122 Duke Riley ATL 8
  123 Jalen Reeves-Maybin DET 6
  124 Kyle Emanuel LAC 8
 
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  Deion Jones, ATL: Jones came on strong at the end of last season (he was named NFC Defensive Player of the Week for Week 14), finishing with 138 total tackles, 3 INT and 11 PD. He's my projected top LB this year.
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  C.J. Mosley, BAL: A Pro Bowler three of his first four seasons, Mosley tied his career high in tackles last year (132) and is s steady presence in the stat department. He's a lower risk than the next few guys.
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  Alec Ogletree, NYG: Ogletree had an offseason and makes a change of scenery, so he's worth a look as a Top 5 LB. Tons of upside, some risk.
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  Jamie Collins, CLE: Collins is another game breaker type with upside and considerable risk.
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  Blake Martinez, GB: Martinez could be a Top 10 LB this season and he had a monster year in 2017. 144 total tackles might be hard to repeat with Rodgers healthy, but 120+ is well within reach.
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  Luke Kuechly, CAR: Kuechly is great, but the concussions are too scary for me to risk with a top pick.
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  Christian Kirksey, CLE: Kirksey is a grinder who's just reaching his prime. He's a big-time sleeper and he could surprise this year.
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  Bobby Wagner, SEA: Wagner is a risk with his history of soft-tissue injuries and doesn't seem committed to a future in Seattle. But he's still a great player with upside.
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  Kwon Alexander, TB: Alexander missed a few games last season but is a good candidate for an under-the-radar bounce back.
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  Lavonte David, TB: David had a down season with Kwon Alexander breaking out but he's still the best all-around LB in Tampa.
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  Telvin Smith, JAC: The Jags defense is crowded with talent and Smith is one of many excellent defenders. The numbers took a hit in 2017.
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  Zach Brown, WAS: Brown is a three-down LB who wraps up tackles and generates a decent amount of sacks and turnovers. He's a nice sleeper here.
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  Malcolm Smith, SF: I like this landing spot for Smith, who is primed for a breakout season and another 120+ tackles.
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  Wesley Woodyard, TEN: Woodyard is a veteran LB with limited upside but plenty of value in his steadiness. With Williamson gone and a rookie taking that spot, he'll be pressed into more of a leadership role.
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  Preston Brown, CIN: Brown logged the second-most snaps among all linebackers last season and will likely play middle linebacker over Vincent Rey once Vontaze Burfict's four-game suspension is done. LB2 with upside.
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  Eric Kendricks, MIN: Kendricks has started 41 games in his first three seasons, averaging over 100 tackles a season with 7.5 total sacks. He's a solid LB2.
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  Von Miller, DEN: Miller usually gets drafted too soon but in leagues where sacks generate huge points, he's worth it.
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icn_arrow_Down_medium.gif Roquan Smith, CHI: The rookie LB gets a perfect situation coming into Chicago -- where somebody needs to make some tackles. He could rack up 130-140 total tackles if he's a three-down backer.
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8 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Not a joke.  I think Mac will franchise tag Lee if he doesn’t accept the first offer

You're really not joking?  I'll put up $100 against your $10 and say that Darron Lee will not be franchise tagged.

I'm sorry Phil but this thread is kinda ridiculous.  Darron Lee has definitely underperformed but he did look better towards the end of last year's regular season.   We need a few weeks of real football to make a judgement on this guy, especially after he seems to have been given increased responsibility with play-calling on D.  I know Bart Scott called him out for how he's hitting in preseason so far.  I'm reserving judgement for now but I don't see anyway he's getting cut.  He won't get the 5th year option triggered but I don't see them cutting a mediocre starter who is on a rookie $ contract.

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6 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

You're really not joking?  I'll put up $100 against your $10 and say that Darron Lee will not be franchise tagged.

I'm sorry Phil but this thread is kinda ridiculous.  Darron Lee has definitely underperformed but he did look better towards the end of last year's regular season.   We need a few weeks of real football to make a judgement on this guy, especially after he seems to have been given increased responsibility with play-calling on D.  I know Bart Scott called him out for how he's hitting in preseason so far.  I'm reserving judgement for now but I don't see anyway he's getting cut.  He won't get the 5th year option triggered but I don't see them cutting a mediocre starter who is on a rookie $ contract.

It's more than ridiculous. If every teams GM looked at players Phil's way, half the roster of every team would have to be replaced every year.

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  1. Whether Lee is good or bad, he is precisely the kind of guy that we want on the field this season.  A high upside athlete that has at least shown to be semi-worthy of playing time.  We talk about developing players, he is a guy that we should be working with.  Not some string of UDFAs and special teams players that either can't run or weight 218.
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5 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Didn't Peyton Manning throw something like 29 INTs his rookie year?  Stupid Colts kept him.

There are hundred+ players who got off to slow starts, then became real good players .Bowman[the guy that phil likes to mention], sat on the bench his rookie year.

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The problem with lee imo is that his issues are not fixable.  If you are soft you don;t suddenly get tough, if you have poor instincts or take bad angles that often does not improve.  His one good attribute is moving fast from side to side or from the back side to make plays but because he is hesitant, takes bad angles and has poor instincts he makes plays down field, not near the line of scrimmage.  He is also locked into his position.  I see people suggesting he be an olb but he cannot set the edge at all and does not have ling arms, a bend or instincts to get to the QB.

Is he the worst player in the league?  No, but as with adams it is were he was drafted and the position that was drafted high and that goes on macs resume.  We in essence drafted a guy 6th overall and 20th overall to do the same thing.  Stop the run, cover backs and tes and created turnovers.  (And these guys so far have not shown they can cover or create turnovers.)

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