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14 minutes ago, peebag said:

I remember watching Leonard Williams play in college and thinking how great this kid will be in green.

Leo looked better on film than Quinnen IMHO.

PAC 12 defenses are in no way comparable to the SEC. Put Leo in the SEC and I doubt his tape would compare to what I've seen with Q.

The downside is we have only 1 yr. of tape on Q.... 

 

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9 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

I think we’re in weird territory for jets fans the media has had nothing but good things to say about our draft so far

 

Usually the jets are a laughing stock

"people who've never had nice things, don't know how to have nice things"...its ok once upon a time the patriot fans didn't know how to have something nice either.

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2 minutes ago, k-met57 said:

"people who've never had nice things, don't know how to have nice things"...its ok once upon a time the patriot fans didn't know how to have something nice either.

Quinnen Williams is going to be really good

 

Now let’s trade Leo, get back in the second round and get that WR or OL so the asinine complaining about adding a talented player to what was a really bad defense last year can finally stop

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1 hour ago, Irish Jet said:

They gave us glowing remarks for Mo, Sheldon and Leo too. With very similar remarks.

They were/are all very good players. We seen why they were hyped but the impact they could make overall was minimal. Mo was the best of them before he got paid and quit but even he never really pushed the defence over the edge. When we had all three we were still a garbage team.

People here are criticising the pick rather than the player. 

Yes, we were a garbage team when we had all 3, but when we had all 3 we didn't have Sam Darnold as our QB.  We don't have a QB then.  That't the difference!  By the way, we also didn't have the caliber running back we have this time around.

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I wanna make this my signature. I can't get enough of it. Mods are OK with this, right?

 

 

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They needed to start the video before the phone rings, like they did with Darnold. But this will do for now ...

 

 

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2 hours ago, nico002 said:

"Best defensive lineman I have ever evaluated" "better than Aaron Donald"

You are going to LOVE this assessment!

Quinnen Williams is the kind of defensive tackle the NFL hasn’t really seen before

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Retired defensive end Stephen White can’t think of any player who compares to the Jets’ Williams, a nose tackle who can rush the passer — and do so much more.

By Stephen White  Updated Apr 25, 2019, 8:41pm EDT
 

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The New York Jets picked Quinnen Williams third overall in the 2019 NFL Draft. Here’s what Stephen White had to say about the Alabama DT ahead of the draft:

Quinnen Williams did something we should all be impressed by at this year’s NFL Combine. At 4.83 seconds, he ran the fourth-fastest 40 time for a 300+ pound defensive lineman at the combine since 2003. That is a remarkable feat. However, more so than his straight-line speed, it was Williams’ lateral quickness that jumped off the screen when I watched his tape.

He was a wrecking ball in college stunting sideways.

I’m not sure I have ever seen a defensive tackle prospect be as productive as Williams was moving laterally. He has this uncanny ability to side-step offensive linemen and make them miss with a quick arm-over. This was both against the run and the pass.

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I’m generally not a big proponent of arm-overs — especially for guys who aren’t at least 6’5, because I think rip moves are more efficient — but damn if Williams didn’t make me second-guess myself. I mean his success rate with arm-overs was off the charts, and it is obvious that it’s a move he has spent a lot of time and effort in perfecting. He is both explosive and efficient with it, which made it close to impossible for the college offensive linemen to block.

It’s a credit to Alabama’s coaching staff that they recognized Williams’ unique physical gifts and not only had him stunting a lot, but also had him lining up all over the place — from zero nose, to a cocked nose, to a 2i (inside shade of the guard), to a three-technique — so that he could reallyshowcase those gifts.

Opposing offensive lines had to constantly be aware of where Williams was aligned and where he might end up after the ball was snapped.

You might be a guard minding your own business, thinking the center was going to handle Williams; then the next thing you know he is all up in your grill making you look silly on the way to making a tackle in the backfield.

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He was so sudden that most of the cats trying to block him never stood a chance.

Williams’ signature move is much tricker than it looks.

But it wasn’t just his athletic ability that showed up on tape. Williams also employed some top-notch technique and basically weaponized his athleticism. His arm-overs were so effective because of how consistently precise he was with that move. In one smooth motion he would either swipe the blocker’s hands with his outside hand, or club their shoulder with his outside hand, turn his hips toward that blocker, then fluidly execute the arm-over with his inside arm — all in the blink of an eye.

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I wish I had the end zone copy of a lot of these plays in super slow motion because that is about the only way you can actually see everything that goes into him winning with that move. That would help you, the reader, truly appreciate those wins even more. For now just take my word for it: what Williams makes look easy and effortless, is, in reality, incredibly difficult to pull off.

Let me note that as a former coach for a short while a long time ago, I loved how Williams finished his arm-overs by coming down hard with his inside arm on the back of the blocker’s outside arm to make sure they couldn’t try to hold on to him. He also tended to finish that off with a rip move for good measure, and as a big-time proponent of finishing every move with a rip, I was definitely giddy about that.

When I said weaponize, the thing you need to understand is his arm-over move was effective inevery single game I watched, across a variety of different blockers, and against both the run and the pass. It is, as far as I can tell, his go-to move and, from what I’ve seen, he will very likely see similar success with it in the pros.

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No matter where he lines up, he’ll make life hell for offensive linemen.

At the same time, I want to make it clear that Williams was far from a one-trick pony.

One of the best things about Alabama moving Williams around that much was being able to see how he would hold up in different alignments on the defensive line. I can’t speak for how well he would do lined up anywhere outside of an offensive tackle, as I only saw him lined up at a five-technique or wider on one single play in the four games that I watched.

However, anywhere from a three-technique to a zero nose?

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Williams had a full can of whup ass waiting for you. And it looked like he got free refills.

I truly enjoyed seeing what Williams could do when he was lined up in the gaps, but he also more than held his own when Alabama had him in heavy or head-up alignments as well. His functional strength was excellent, and his exemplary technique extended far beyond just his arm-overs.

He was great with his hands while taking on run blocks, and Williams was usually able to get vertical push into the backfield when a team was bold enough to try to block him one on one. Oh, and while some of his “prettiest” highlights are from him running around people, don’t get it twisted, Williams is not a finesse player.

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He does not shy away at all from the dirty work of being an interior defensive lineman. In fact, he actually embraces it.

Hell, if you just wanted a true nose tackle, you could do a lot worse than Williams in this draft or any other in the last decade for that matter.

Williams is quick to recognize and react, which separates him from the pack.

I swear, take away the pass rushing and he would still be one helluva prospect. The way he manhandled centers as a zero nose was absolutely magnificent.

Like all legitimate nose tackles, Williams was able to hold the point well against double-teams, too.

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His mix of power, quickness, and technique just about ensures that he will be productive against the run as a pro, if nothing else.

He ended up with five tackles for a loss in four games, and he had several other plays where he set up tackles for a loss for his teammates. He just knew how to get good penetration into the backfield to blow sh*t up.

Another thing that I liked about his tape was how good Williams was at quickly diagnosing blocking schemes, counter runs away from him in particular. On those plays, what is supposed to happen is that the guard across from Williams is supposed to pull inside and across the formation to block a defender on the other side of the center, while the center blocks down hard on Williams to keep him from being able to follow the pulling guard and make a play in the backfield.

What was actually happening was Williams would read the guard pulling, then, before the center could pin him backside, Williams would step laterally and quickly cross in front of the center’s face so that he could get to the other side of the formation too, and get back in on the play.

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Those counter plays clearly exemplified how well Williams was able to marry his athleticism with his technique. Most defensive tackles simply aren’t quick enough in recognizing blocking schemes to be able to pull that off, let alone quick enough physically to be able to do so. That’s especially true for most nose tackles, but that’s also what sets Williams apart as a prospect.

He’s the rare nose tackle who can be stop the run AND rush the passer.

Something else that I noticed after watching his tape a few times is that Williams was rarely on the ground unless one of the offensive linemen tackled him or stuck their foot out to trip him. To me that speaks well of his balance and his core strength to be able to stay on his feet so well even though he was stunting laterally a lot. That can be the difference between a guy who just puts himself in position to make plays, and a guy who is actually able to finish off those plays.

Now, I have long said that I’m personally against taking a true nose tackle in the first round unless they can rush the passer. There are very few nose tackles who can do that, however. Vita Vea is, I believe, the only nose tackle I have recommended to go in the first round since I’ve been doing these draft profiles, but he was special in that he was so damn strong that he could consistently get good push with power rushes back into the a quarterback’s face, even on early downs.

With Williams, while I believe he could play all over the defensive line, including maybe even at five-technique, I don’t think a team would go wrong by sticking him at nose tackle on “run downs.” He showed me that he can make a ton of plays against the run there, and he has the size for it at 6’3 and 303 pounds.

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More importantly, however, he also showed he can get pressure as a nose tackle on a pretty regular basis.

I know a lot of teams have their third-down packages where they bring in a pass rusher or two and take out their nose tackle, but imagine for a second that you didn’t have to do that. Imagine having a dude you could line up in the A gaps or head up on the center on first and second down, who was good enough to be the anchor of your run defense, but who could also get quick pressure against early-down passes.

Now you don’t have to worry about teams trying to run hurry-up when you have your “run stopper” in the game because he is also your “pass rusher.” And you wouldn’t have to worry about a bunch of substitutions up front third-and-long, either.

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A nose tackle who routinely commanded a double-team as a pass rusher would be a helluva deal, and it could seriously open things up for a team that already has a good three-technique.

At the same time, you don’t have to play Williams at nose tackle. In a base 3-4 scheme where he moves around a lot like he did in college, Williams could be a serious damn headache inside. That would be especially true for a team that likes to stunt a lot.

Or you could just stick him at three-technique in a base 4-3 scheme and watch teams try and fail to keep him from shooting into their backfield play after play.

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I’m NOT comparing him to Aaron Donald, BUT Williams is pretty special.

When you look at the way he uses his hands, his footwork, the way he turns his hips, the way he recognizes blocking schemes, and how he escapes off of blocks, Williams is as about as polished a defensive tackle prospect as you are going to see coming out of college. Maybe that means his ceiling is a little lower than other guys who are a bit more raw. It also means he is going to be ready to not only start from day one, but actually play at a high level right away in the NFL.

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I’d take that trade-off in a heartbeat.

Looking at his film, there aren’t even very many areas where I would say he needs to improve. I did have him down for a few loafs, but they were usually on plays that he had almost no chance of making. Other than that, I could nitpick a play here, or a play there, but nothing negative showed up on Williams’ tape on anything remotely resembling a consistent basis.

Williams is so good and so unique that I don’t think I can come up with a current or former NFL player to compare him to. I’ve already said I don’t think its fair to compare any young defensive lineman to Aaron Donald, and that holds true for Williams as well. Hell, for as great as Williams’ 4.83 40 was, Donald ran his in a blazing 4.68!

But that doesn’t mean Williams isn’t a freak in his own right.

I want you to try to think of a guy who was/is a big-time run stopper as a nose tackle in the NFL, who was also as much of a threat as a pass rusher as Williams is. Your list is probably going to be very, very short.

But, again, and I can’t stress this enough: He doesn’t have to play nose all the time, either. That’s the kicker!

Williams won’t have to wait long on draft night to hear his name called.

When Donald came out, I said if he were a couple of inches taller he would have been the consensus No. 1 pick in the draft (and that teams at the top should have considered him anyway). Well, I’m not saying that Williams should go No. 1, but teams can’t hide behind his height or his weight as a reason to not do it this time around.

Williams has the “right” size, he has the “right” measurable athleticism, and he for damn sure has the “right” film for the NFL. Now it just comes down to which team at the top of the draft is willing to take him.

Barring injury, Quinnen Williams is going to be an absolute monster at defensive tackle in the league from his first season on, and I cannot wait to see him balling on the next level.


For the purposes of this breakdown I watched Quinnen Williams play against Ole Miss, Texas A&M, LSU, and Georgia. Those represented the third, fourth, ninth, and 13th games on Alabama’s schedule last season, respectively.

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I mean the kid is really good and has a marketable presence. Win win for Maccagnan there. He certainly will not make him look bad.

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41 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

PAC 12 defenses are in no way comparable to the SEC. Put Leo in the SEC and I doubt his tape would compare to what I've seen with Q.

The downside is we have only 1 yr. of tape on Q.... 

 

Q had to face those juggernauts like the Citadel, Arkansas, Arkansas State.  Q had 1 sack and 2.5 tackles for loss in the 3 important bowl series games vs the really good teams

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45 minutes ago, Alka said:

Yes, we were a garbage team when we had all 3, but when we had all 3 we didn't have Sam Darnold as our QB.  We don't have a QB then.  That't the difference!  By the way, we also didn't have the caliber running back we have this time around.

We were a garbage defence with all three. 28th in the league. Admittedly Mo was passed caring but still. Garbage. 

Look I have literally nothing against Q. He actually looks pretty phenomenal, but so did Williams and he’s been good but not a consistent game changer.

We haven’t had an edge rusher since Abe and only really attempted to get one via the draft since.

Having a dominant interior is a great tool to get an offence to be one dimensional. It used to be valuable too and this line would be elite by any standard. But now it’s not enough - There’s no way to shut down the pass without constant pressure and amazing coverage. We’re unlikely to have either.

The real crime is on offence though. In the first round we have drafted one non-QB on offence in 12 years. One. And even that was the 30th pick. That is astounding, literally difficult to do, and people wonder why that unit and it’s revolving door of QB’s have constantly sucked. Darnold’s development should be the priority - Should be doing everything to give him all the help/protection he can get.

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59 minutes ago, Dcat said:

If Winovich is there, I might want him.

Yeah, I like him too. But the Jets always find some way to avoid drafting offense. 

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2 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Yeah, I like him too. But the Jets always find some way to avoid drafting offense. 

Winovich is a defender 

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3 minutes ago, nico002 said:

Winovich is a defender 

I know. Taking Winovich would mean they passed on O....again. 

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23 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Yeah, I like him too. But the Jets always find some way to avoid drafting offense. 

It's not so much that the Jets chose defense.  It's more that, once again, "BPA" trumped dire need.  Taking a player at a position NOT in great need while leaving those open wounds festering. There is only so long you can keep doing that when it's always one of two positions: Interior DL and S.  This many times over and over the last 5 years (with the customary one year exception for a QB)  under Mac and the Tannenbaum-Idzik years too, it's recycling the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.  At what point do we finally say, enough already?  It is beyond negligent to ignore team needs this many times in this many drafts for what seems like an eternity.  And it's bad enough that Mac stubbornly insists on adhering to his BPA-or-bust strategy, but what makes it worse is that he is a terrible talent evaluator.  If there is anyone who should draft for need over BPA, it is him.  

Winovich and Ferguson will not be there.  Lets see what OL falls through the cracks.  I just hate having to pick up the crumbs of left overs.  Maybe we'll get lucky for once.  

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2 hours ago, JiF said:

Yeah but is he a bowling ball with butcher knives?  

An Avalanche of razor blades and butcher knives coming down at you.

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1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

Jets got the best player in the draft two years in a row

 

 

Sorry

 

I understand but yet we are always picking Top 6. Maybe we are picking the best player on our board but maybe we have to evaluate the people who evaluate these players.  

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1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

I think we’re in weird territory for jets fans the media has had nothing but good things to say about our draft so far

 

Usually the jets are a laughing stock

According to this board, we apparently are.  

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If it wasnt for Chris Simms I would be bummed out on this going DT all over again thingy.

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1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

No he didn’t.  Revisionist history = fun I guess

Leo was the sole bright spot on our defense, he did not have the supporting players on D that the Alabama kid had.  Double and triple teamed at USC,  I’m waiting to see what competent coaching does for him on the Jets.

Easier to excel on a loaded team than one that had nothing. 

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I wasn’t a huge Allen fan, but this hits it on the head. The Jets got The Best Player In The Draft, but it’s hard to see how the team is significantly better right now than it was 24 hours ago.

What if the BPA was a qb? This narrative of being held hostage by having to take the highest graded player is a load of crap. Need and fit are undeniably factors. To not address an edge position through the draft besides Lorenzo maudlin is pure negligence.


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3 hours ago, Klecko73isGod said:

DL was already a strength of the team. Of course it's an improvement, but is it enough cause us to win 3-4 more games? Because that's the type of impact you want a number 3 pick to have. 

I think Josh Allen added to what we already have would have had a much bigger impact. You disagree. No need to get nasty because you're too obtuse to get my point. 

DL was already strength of the team ? Going into this draft the D-line was the weakest point of the defense. Even when they were thought to be with Sheldon, Mo, and Leo they weren't   

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51 minutes ago, Dcat said:

It's not so much that the Jets chose defense.  It's more that, once again, "BPA" trumped dire need.  Taking a player at a position NOT in great need while leaving those open wounds festering. There is only so long you can keep doing that when it's always one of two positions: Interior DL and S.  This many times over and over the last 5 years (with the customary one year exception for a QB)  under Mac and the Tannenbaum-Idzik years too, it's recycling the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.  At what point do we finally say, enough already?  It is beyond negligent to ignore team needs this many times in this many drafts for what seems like an eternity.  And it's bad enough that Mac stubbornly insists on adhering to his BPA-or-bust strategy, but what makes it worse is that he is a terrible talent evaluator.  If there is anyone who should draft for need over BPA, it is him.  

Winovich and Ferguson will not be there.  Lets see what OL falls through the cracks.  I just hate having to pick up the crumbs of left overs.  Maybe we'll get lucky for once.  

We got fortunate last year.  Could have easily watched that Draft go Baker then Darnold and we would have been stuck with a choice between two subpar guys named Josh.  But when good players fall to us they always seem to be at positions like DT and Safety for the most part.  We really need a offensive player (other than Sam) to fall to the Jets early in a Draft one of these years.  Perhaps today is the day.  There are still a lot of OLinemen and WRs out there.  The question is who will slip out of Round 2 and get to us early in Round 3.

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Added benefit: the 16 million dollar linebacker will be free to seek and destroy 

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You know what would be great?

 

If all us whining byotches wind up eating crow and this dude becomes the new reggie white

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Personally, I would have rather gotten raped on a trade down.  Say the Bills offered us their 2nd and something else not too significant to move back to 9.  Who cares, take it.  We could have gotten a very good defensive player at 9 - or Jonah Williams or a guard, I don't care about "value" - and then conceivably a good C in round 2...

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Not for nothing, but Detroit drafted Charles Rodgers, Roy Williams, and Mike Williams before taking Calvin Johnson...all high first rounders within like 5 years.

If they took a guy that was a better fit position wise over Calvin Johnson just because the previous WRs didn't pan out and they had other needs it would of been a bad pick.

BPA is the way to go....now whether Williams is the BPA is another story (I have no clue) but if he is it's the right pick.

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You cant put team goals on a singular player....that's crazy.

Put any great player on a crappy team and they dont make the playoffs outside of maybe Brady...and even then a bad OLine and supporting cast will cause you to lose more than you win.

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