Popular Post kmnj Posted October 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2019 fans waited since the marino mistake for a franchise qb and most thought sam was that guy-this franchise has done everything they can to ruin him. They did not draft offensive line , did not draft any wrs , gave him a terrible coach to "mentor" him and now they are talking about taking away the only two skill guys he has around him in robby and bell-if the team does move robby and bell they should just sit sam the rest of the year or they will ruin him for good.. Sadly for Sam next year will be more of the same. I feel bad for Sam he has been set up to fail and seems like a good kid that was put in a terrible spot. 6 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Has it occurred to any of the people who make this now-daily thread that if a quarterback can be "ruined" by adverse circumstances, then maybe said quarterback wasn't that good to begin with? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Mac caused it and his coach continued it. Legacy of BS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 He’ll be fine 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, kmnj said: fans waited since the marino mistake for a franchise qb and most thought sam was that guy-this franchise has done everything they can to ruin him. They did not draft offensive line , did not draft any wrs , gave him a terrible coach to "mentor" him and now they are talking about taking away the only two skill guys he has around him in robby and bell-if the team does move robby and bell they should just sit sam the rest of the year or they will ruin him for good.. Sadly for Sam next year will be more of the same. I feel bad for Sam he has been set up to fail and seems like a good kid that was put in a terrible spot. I mean, we all knew this would happen. He’s young enough where he can still recover. With or without the Jets. I expect him to be in this league for a long time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, dbatesman said: Has it occurred to any of the people who make this now-daily thread that if a quarterback can be "ruined" by adverse circumstances, then maybe said quarterback wasn't that good to begin with? You’d think the example of Minshew succeeding in similar circumstances would drive this home. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Just now, dbatesman said: Has it occurred to any of the people who make this now-daily thread that if a quarterback can be "ruined" by adverse circumstances, then maybe said quarterback wasn't that good to begin with? No. Coaching matters, being beat up behind a bad o-line can cause problems, not building any supporting cast around him is a problem. It's not one thing - it's many and it's causing him to regress. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Honestly we are on the verge of talking about whether Sam could be traded after next year and we will take Sunshine with the 1st overall pick. which we may have this year and next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Matt39 said: You’d think the example of Minshew succeeding in similar circumstances would drive this home. minshew has a better coach , better line and better wrs and his team is not talking about moving the talent from himk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Has it occurred to any of the people who make this now-daily thread that if a quarterback can be "ruined" by adverse circumstances, then maybe said quarterback wasn't that good to begin with? Has it occurred to some that he isn't broken and just had couple of bad games and may look better going forward? He looked great against Dallas. Horrible against the Pats. Had some good moments against Jags. That's 3 games and one of those games everyone thought he was AMAZING. Can we just let the rest of the season play out before talking about his destruction? He's 22. You know that LSU QB that's lighting it up for LSU? He is also 22. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 The qb was a turnover machine long before he got here. He has no one to blame but himself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Darnold gets 2020 to prove himself, Douglas will build him a line. I expect mine two very high picks on linemen and one in F.A. Minimum. This season is gone we need capital, to build this broken roster. The Jets are about to fold as a locker room no point wasting time wee are know how bad it is. We have to watch the sh*t every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Has it occurred to any of the people who make this now-daily thread that if a quarterback can be "ruined" by adverse circumstances, then maybe said quarterback wasn't that good to begin with? I used to argue the same thing. Now I'm not so sure. Repetition becomes habit and under these conditions, the only habits he's incorporating are bad ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 It sounds like the title of a gay porn. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, New York Mick said: It sounds like the title of a gay porn. You know this because? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 35 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Has it occurred to any of the people who make this now-daily thread that if a quarterback can be "ruined" by adverse circumstances, then maybe said quarterback wasn't that good to begin with? Excuse me actual quarterbacks never have to face adversity that’s why they’re franchise players 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 There are strange things done in the midnight sun By the men who moil for gold; The Arctic trails have their secret tales That would make your blood run cold; The Northern Lights have seen queer sights, But the queerest they ever did see Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge I cremated Sam McGee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 38 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Has it occurred to any of the people who make this now-daily thread that if a quarterback can be "ruined" by adverse circumstances, then maybe said quarterback wasn't that good to begin with? good point. darnold is not david carr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Some say Adam Gase ruined Ryan Tannehill, just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 37 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Has it occurred to any of the people who make this now-daily thread that if a quarterback can be "ruined" by adverse circumstances, then maybe said quarterback wasn't that good to begin with? Nope. There are two options in outcomes of a game, win or unprepared, just as there are two options in Sam Darnold's outcome, FQB or ruined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 22 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: I used to argue the same thing. Now I'm not so sure. Repetition becomes habit and under these conditions, the only habits he's incorporating are bad ones. he can fix the throwing motions. unfortunately gase basically let him get away with it in the cowgirls game and they were in full view against the jags. granted he didn't get much time to set his feet but if he wasn't set he should have thrown the ball away instead of forcing a throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 22 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: I used to argue the same thing. Now I'm not so sure. Repetition becomes habit and under these conditions, the only habits he's incorporating are bad ones. The thing with Sam too is he has almost no repetition as a good QB playing good football. He was raw when he got here and every game he plays is still a sizable chunk of his overall experiance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: Some say Adam Gase ruined Ryan Tannehill, just saying. tannehill is/was a punk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Just now, rangerous said: tannehill is/was a punk. He looks a lot better in Tennessee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 34 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Had some good moments against Jags. This reminds me of when Pennington used to throw a pick six that cost the team the game, and then in his press conference tell everyone that outside of 1 or two throws, he played great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 They're not destroying Sam. He's been sick and injured. Plus the O-line isn't good etc. The CS is trying to coach him up and they aren't inexperienced idiots. It's also on Sam you don't expect him to play as poorly as he did against NEP. He needs more blocking help, a blocking back or someone in the backfield to help the O-line. He has to also get the ball off quicker. We heard the same excuses for Mark Sanchez that he was being ruined. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, rangerous said: tannehill is/was a punk. Hes one of the hottest qbs in the league since he took over in Tenn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: He looks a lot better in Tennessee. a little crow helps sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 16 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: You know this because? It’s been a slow week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, kmnj said: fans waited since the marino mistake for a franchise qb and most thought sam was that guy-this franchise has done everything they can to ruin him. They did not draft offensive line , did not draft any wrs , gave him a terrible coach to "mentor" him and now they are talking about taking away the only two skill guys he has around him in robby and bell-if the team does move robby and bell they should just sit sam the rest of the year or they will ruin him for good.. Sadly for Sam next year will be more of the same. I feel bad for Sam he has been set up to fail and seems like a good kid that was put in a terrible spot. Yes, but if you have the right Mental makeup you get through it and learn what you can during that timeframe. When the team does improve you should along with it. Don't want to keep hearing about Carr on the Texans since he obviously was not tough enough mentally. Darnold may be and we will see moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 30 minutes ago, Beerfish said: There are strange things done in the midnight sun By the men who moil for gold; The Arctic trails have their secret tales That would make your blood run cold; The Northern Lights have seen queer sights, But the queerest they ever did see Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge I cremated Sam McGee. I think we're going to need @New York Mick to weigh in on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 Sam is a VERY YOUNG qb and was drafted to be the face of the franchise-the team is doing everything they can to make him fail-bad coaching, bad offensive line and very few weapons and they are talking about taking away bell and robby leaving him with who? the over rated jaq te that has not played all year? The greatest qb of all time would not be able to handle the situation the Jets have and are putting Sam in. If they do indeed move bell and robby just shut sam down-there is zero benefit to having him play with no line , no coaching and no weapons. It is possible(I doubt it and hope it is not the case) that Sam is not going to be a great or good qb in the league but that result will . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, dbatesman said: Has it occurred to any of the people who make this now-daily thread that if a quarterback can be "ruined" by adverse circumstances, then maybe said quarterback wasn't that good to begin with? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: Some say Adam Gase ruined Ryan Tannehill, just saying. He’s doing much better now. Must be the Oline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 If we use prime capital to revamp the OL, he’ll be fine. Sam plus an above average OL...roll with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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