Report: Ravens in trade discussions for Jamal Adams

[#27TheDominator]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

I suppose it’s because the book isn’t closed on this part yet. We have to see if Douglas gets a deal done or if he gets a trade sorted out, then we can judge it. Maccagnan would have given Adams CB1 money already.

Where is the precedent for this?  That isn't Maccagnan's MO.  He never extended anybody early, whether he wants them or not.  Maccagnan would let him play under the 5th year option.  Get the full cheap year out of him, then have him have a horrific injury in the final game.  Then when we assumed that would mean he would be discounted, he would be tagged and then given a giant deal. 

[Arsis]

So, what did we get for the trade that totally happened just as reported?

[Big_Slick]

41 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Where is the precedent for this?  That isn't Maccagnan's MO.  He never extended anybody early, whether he wants them or not.  Maccagnan would let him play under the 5th year option.  Get the full cheap year out of him, then have him have a horrific injury in the final game.  Then when we assumed that would mean he would be discounted, he would be tagged and then given a giant deal. 

Defending Macc's MO after 5 years? Wow, that's a stretch. If there was an eff up move that could be made Macc would jump all over it.

Where's Macc working this season?

[Vader]

27 minutes ago, Arsis said:

So, what did we get due the trade that totally happened just as reported?

What???

[Arsis]

22 minutes ago, Vader said:

What???

The trade that everyone is talking about and has been reported on for weeks. What'd we get?

[#27TheDominator]

1 hour ago, Big_Slick said:

Defending Macc's MO after 5 years? Wow, that's a stretch. If there was an eff up move that could be made Macc would jump all over it.

Where's Macc working this season?

Maybe you need to re-read that post.  That is a defense?  It is exactly what he did with WIlkerson and it was unconscionable. 

[Big_Slick]

17 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Maybe you need to re-read that post.  That is a defense?  It is exactly what he did with WIlkerson and it was unconscionable. 

Maybe I got it crossed up but in no way am I defending Macc. He pulled a golden horseshoe out of his butt when Sam fell to him at #3 overall after he traded three #2's to get to #3 overall before he knew Sam was going to be there. What that should have gotten him was in a position to take Rosen after the Browns picked Sam #1 and the Gint's took Baker at #2.

Side note - Gettlemen - how much did that generational RB improve the Gints record?

I hated the Mo WIlkerson pick and contract.

[Jet Nut]

11 hours ago, Big_Slick said:

Get your facts straight. He sat out against the Dolphins and then he decided to sit out the next game - a Nationally televised game against the Ravens. But after a miraculous recovery the following game against the Steelers he had 8 tackles ( zero sacks and zero passes defended).

Where are your facts?  I wrote the wrong sequence of games he missed and that's something you needed to point out as if makes a difference? Again, other that trying to make a totally made up situation off of an equally dumb post by @Jetsfan80?   When youre going to call out someone for gettin their facts straight, it shouldn't be to back a totally fabricated story based off of a trolls dumb theory. 

[NYJ1]

I am dead set against any discussions of trading Adams. I think JD should set the right precedent moving forward and sign Jamal to a monster contract. This will show every younger player coming through the door that great play will be rewarded as it should be.

[EM31]

When did Adams' feelings of being disrespected start?  I wonder if the spark began to take hold as early as his rookie or 2nd year?

[T0mShane]

9 hours ago, Larz said:

Why then did the ravens tag him and then sign judon?

weird, right?

even you don’t believe your own bs lol

Thanks for going on record that Adams is worth significantly more than a pro bowl pass rusher 

Might have to put that in my sig

This reminds me of when Rob Dibble tried getting the authors of Game of Shadows (the Bonds steroid exposé) to admit that they were compensated by the publisher and they were like, “well, yeah” and Dibble was like “ah-HA”

[slats]

37 minutes ago, NYJ1 said:

I am dead set against any discussions of trading Adams. I think JD should set the right precedent moving forward and sign Jamal to a monster contract. This will show every younger player coming through the door that great play will be rewarded as it should be.

Adams is a me-first player who's unlikely to ever be satisfied with his contract. He's looking for preferential treatment now, just three years in the league, and he'll always be looking for preferential treatment. He'll have a smile on his face when he signs the richest safety contract in history, then start bitching about it a year or two later when he's not the highest paid safety anymore. 

Part of this player's appeal is supposed to be his locker room presence and leadership abilities. I really don't want my team's leaders putting themselves above the team the way Jamal is doing. It's rare in general for a third year player to get an extension, and in this COVID situation with a potentially big hit to league revenue, it would be beyond foolish for JD to hand out a $15M/year contract a year early. And Adams should know this and keep his camp quiet, but instead he's doing the opposite. I think his #1 priority is getting paid and if the Jets aren't paying him, then he wants to be traded. I'm really for trading away players who don't want to be here. Jets have all the leverage with Adams, and that same leverage works in trade negotiations, too. JD is smart to just let it play out. He doesn't have to sign Jamal for years if he doesn't want to while still controlling his rights, and he doesn't have to take any offer for him, either. He's going to hold the line on what he's willing to pay Adams, and also what he's willing to take in a trade. At the end of the day, I expect that he'll compromise and do the best deal for the team going forward. 

[JetPotato]

20 minutes ago, EM31 said:

When did Adams' feelings of being disrespected start?  I wonder if the spark began to take hold as early as his rookie or 2nd year?

Birth

[Augustiniak]

3 minutes ago, slats said:

Adams is a me-first player who's unlikely to ever be satisfied with his contract. He's looking for preferential treatment now, just three years in the league, and he'll always be looking for preferential treatment. He'll have a smile on his face when he signs the richest safety contract in history, then start bitching about it a year or two later when he's not the highest paid safety anymore. 

Part of this player's appeal is supposed to be his locker room presence and leadership abilities. I really don't want my team's leaders putting themselves above the team the way Jamal is doing. It's rare in general for a third year player to get an extension, and in this COVID situation with a potentially big hit to league revenue, it would be beyond foolish for JD to hand out a $15M/year contract a year early. And Adams should know this and keep his camp quiet, but instead he's doing the opposite. I think his #1 priority is getting paid and if the Jets aren't paying him, then he wants to be traded. I'm really for trading away players who don't want to be here. Jets have all the leverage with Adams, and that same leverage works in trade negotiations, too. JD is smart to just let it play out. He doesn't have to sign Jamal for years if he doesn't want to while still controlling his rights, and he doesn't have to take any offer for him, either. He's going to hold the line on what he's willing to pay Adams, and also what he's willing to take in a trade. At the end of the day, I expect that he'll compromise and do the best deal for the team going forward. 

Jamal is getting advice from his dad and other former nflers. He knows that it’s way harder for safeties to get mega contracts than other positions. From the time he was drafted, the jets have taken a qb, a LT and a potential dominant pass rusher in the first round. Throw in Mims who will be paid if he’s good. Douglas isn’t interested in overpaying for a safety and as the team improves, Adams’ relative impact should decrease. 
 

adams knows his window for a big time contract extension with the jets is closing so it’s hard to blame him for continuing to whine in the media and via social media. That’s his generation and that’s his individual personality. But with mccagnan gone so is his leverage and if the jets do extend him it won’t be for close to the money he thinks he’s worth. 

[Sonny Werblin]

5 minutes ago, slats said:

Adams is a me-first player who's unlikely to ever be satisfied with his contract. He's looking for preferential treatment now, just three years in the league, and he'll always be looking for preferential treatment. He'll have a smile on his face when he signs the richest safety contract in history, then start bitching about it a year or two later when he's not the highest paid safety anymore. 

Part of this player's appeal is supposed to be his locker room presence and leadership abilities. I really don't want my team's leaders putting themselves above the team the way Jamal is doing. It's rare in general for a third year player to get an extension, and in this COVID situation with a potentially big hit to league revenue, it would be beyond foolish for JD to hand out a $15M/year contract a year early. And Adams should know this and keep his camp quiet, but instead he's doing the opposite. I think his #1 priority is getting paid and if the Jets aren't paying him, then he wants to be traded. I'm really for trading away players who don't want to be here. Jets have all the leverage with Adams, and that same leverage works in trade negotiations, too. JD is smart to just let it play out. He doesn't have to sign Jamal for years if he doesn't want to while still controlling his rights, and he doesn't have to take any offer for him, either. He's going to hold the line on what he's willing to pay Adams, and also what he's willing to take in a trade. At the end of the day, I expect that he'll compromise and do the best deal for the team going forward. 

You do realize that this is their job -- their career. I guarantee their is not one player in that locker room who looks down on Adams wanting to get paid. As a business decision and strategy, Adams has as much leverage as you can possibly have as a high draft pick entering the 3d year of a 5 year contract. But you can only exercise that leverage by saying pay me or trade me. And why wouldn't he attempt to use that leverage to get a new, bigger deal?  It's about maximizing your career earning potential, and the sooner Adams gets into a new deal, the better for him because that puts him that much closer to a third contract.  If you were Adams agent, what advice would you be giving him? If it was to play out his contract, you'd be out of the Agent business faster than Mac can order a Dunkin Donuts Large Coffee with Sugar and Extra Cream.

This is not to say JD will pay him. JD gets the business side, and unless he gets something in return, like a slight discount, there is no way is he going to give Adams a new deal any sooner than year 4.   

[slats]

23 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

You do realize that this is their job -- their career. I guarantee their is not one player in that locker room who looks down on Adams wanting to get paid. As a business decision and strategy, Adams has as much leverage as you can possibly have as a high draft pick entering the 3d year of a 5 year contract. But you can only exercise that leverage by saying pay me or trade me. And why wouldn't he attempt to use that leverage to get a new, bigger deal?  It's about maximizing your career earning potential, and the sooner Adams gets into a new deal, the better for him because that puts him that much closer to a third contract.  If you were Adams agent, what advice would you be giving him? If it was to play out his contract, you'd be out of the Agent business faster than Mac can order a Dunkin Donuts Large Coffee with Sugar and Extra Cream.

This is not to say JD will pay him. JD gets the business side, and unless he gets something in return, like a slight discount, there is no way is he going to give Adams a new deal any sooner than year 4.   

I'm well aware that this is a business for Adams just like it is for the team. I guess you're not familiar, but I took a metric ton of **** on this board for supporting Revis' holdouts. He was an elite player, at a premium position, and he was in position to parlay that into a huge payday and I didn't fault him one bit for it. 

While I don't think Jamal Adams is in Revis' legit DPOY-level stratosphere, I have no problem with him looking to get paid. I understand how it works. I just think the Jets would be foolish to pay him this year, and I think he's unreasonable to expect to be. If I was his agent, working for his benefit and not my own, I would advise him to sit tight, be a good soldier, and expect to get paid next year. He really doesn't have any leverage at all, and angling for preferential treatment hurts his leader of men branding. That's why he's letting his proxies handle it, but it's pretty obvious that he's on board. 

People don't like the positional value argument either, but Adams plays a low value position because he's not an exceptional athlete. If he were four inches taller and 50 lbs heavier, he'd be an Edge. If he was faster and more agile, he'd be a CB. If he had great hands, speed, and moves, he'd be a WR. He plays safety because that's where the decent, average-sized athletes wind up. He's very good at what he does, but being an all pro safety doesn't make him an elite NFL'er. 

[Smashmouth]

5 minutes ago, slats said:

I'm well aware that this is a business for Adams just like it is for the team. I guess you're not familiar, but I took a metric ton of **** on this board for supporting Revis' holdouts. He was an elite player, at a premium position, and he was in position to parlay that into a huge payday and I didn't fault him one bit for it. 

While I don't think Jamal Adams is in Revis' legit DPOY-level stratosphere, I have no problem with him looking to get paid. I understand how it works. I just think the Jets would be foolish to pay him this year, and I think he's unreasonable to expect to be. If I was his agent, working for his benefit and not my own, I would advise him to sit tight, be a good soldier, and expect to get paid next year. He really doesn't have any leverage at all, and angling for preferential treatment hurts his leader of men branding. That's why he's letting his proxies handle it, but it's pretty obvious that he's on board. 

People don't like the positional value argument either, but Adams plays a low value position because he's not an exceptional athlete. If he were four inches taller and 50 lbs heavier, he'd be an Edge. If he was faster and more agile, he'd be a CB. If he had great hands, speed, and moves, he'd be a WR. He plays safety because that's where the decent, average-sized athletes wind up. He's very good at what he does, but being an all pro safety doesn't make him an elite NFL'er. 

What makes a safety great is probably what surrounds him. Does that mean someone else can step in at SS and excel ? Maybe maybe not. The Jets are absolutely stacked at LB and that frees up things for a player like Adams hes more of a Hybrid SS/LB than he is SS/CB . With Mosely and Williamson coming back and a ton of promising young players coming up Adams could go off and be in the Double digits sacks and allow the LB's and Greg Williams to do a lot of different things in both coverage and with blitzes. All the Great defenses and most is not all elite defenses are stacked at LB just like we are and when you add Adams to that mix you may very well have one of the best defense in the NFL with one of the better coaches running the show. If Adams wants a ridiculous amount of money then there is not much we can do but with him here this defense can be special because Adams is a fantastic tackler and rusher of the passer. Its going to be hard for offense to scheme vs this defense and Adams will be a big part of that. 

[Sonny Werblin]

15 minutes ago, slats said:

I'm well aware that this is a business for Adams just like it is for the team. I guess you're not familiar, but I took a metric ton of **** on this board for supporting Revis' holdouts. He was an elite player, at a premium position, and he was in position to parlay that into a huge payday and I didn't fault him one bit for it. 

While I don't think Jamal Adams is in Revis' legit DPOY-level stratosphere, I have no problem with him looking to get paid. I understand how it works. I just think the Jets would be foolish to pay him this year, and I think he's unreasonable to expect to be. If I was his agent, working for his benefit and not my own, I would advise him to sit tight, be a good soldier, and expect to get paid next year. He really doesn't have any leverage at all, and angling for preferential treatment hurts his leader of men branding. That's why he's letting his proxies handle it, but it's pretty obvious that he's on board. 

People don't like the positional value argument either, but Adams plays a low value position because he's not an exceptional athlete. If he were four inches taller and 50 lbs heavier, he'd be an Edge. If he was faster and more agile, he'd be a CB. If he had great hands, speed, and moves, he'd be a WR. He plays safety because that's where the decent, average-sized athletes wind up. He's very good at what he does, but being an all pro safety doesn't make him an elite NFL'er. 

Whether Adams is a DPOY type is opinion at this point. However, IMO, he is. 

I agree that it would be foolish to sign him to a new deal now without a discount, but why is it unreasonable for him  to ask? The Jets have cap room, and he is the highest profile player on the team that the Jets actually drafted. Now, is an ideal time to ask before the Jets have to start thinking about Sam's next contract. His leverage is, I'm your highest profile player and you want to change the Jets image? Start by paying your own.

The NFL field of failure is littered with exceptional athletes. Jamal certainly seems athletic enough to excel at his position and, in my view, a SS with his skill-set and mind for the game, is the future. Positional flexibility is what everyone will be looking for in LB's and Safeties. Can they rush the QB? Can they stop the run? Can they cover? The age of the specialist is over. You can game plan against a specialist because you know what he will be doing on every play. You can't game plan against a player that can perform multiple roles, and even if he is not the best at any of those roles, the element of disguise gives him a clear advantage.

[MindOverMatter]

1 hour ago, Smashmouth said:

What makes a safety great is probably what surrounds him. Does that mean someone else can step in at SS and excel ? Maybe maybe not. The Jets are absolutely stacked at LB and that frees up things for a player like Adams hes more of a Hybrid SS/LB than he is SS/CB . With Mosely and Williamson coming back and a ton of promising young players coming up Adams could go off and be in the Double digits sacks and allow the LB's and Greg Williams to do a lot of different things in both coverage and with blitzes. All the Great defenses and most is not all elite defenses are stacked at LB just like we are and when you add Adams to that mix you may very well have one of the best defense in the NFL with one of the better coaches running the show. If Adams wants a ridiculous amount of money then there is not much we can do but with him here this defense can be special because Adams is a fantastic tackler and rusher of the passer. Its going to be hard for offense to scheme vs this defense and Adams will be a big part of that. 

Look no further than the bolded part to understand why you don't draft a SS that doesn't create turnovers at 6 overall. If that player already needs players in place to be effective, he's not worth it.

[slats]

22 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

I agree that it would be foolish to sign him to a new deal now without a discount, but why is it unreasonable for him  to ask? The Jets have cap room, and he is the highest profile player on the team that the Jets actually drafted. Now, is an ideal time to ask before the Jets have to start thinking about Sam's next contract. His leverage is, I'm your highest profile player and you want to change the Jets image? Start by paying your own.

Again, I didn't say it was unreasonable for him to ask. He can ask away. The reason I don't think it's a good idea on his part lies within your question: it would be foolish for the Jets to pay him, I don't think they're even considering it, and he's just creating tension between himself and the team when it's completely unnecessary. 

Now, if his true goal is to get himself traded off of the Jets ASAP, he's doing what he needs to do. 

28 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

The NFL field of failure is littered with exceptional athletes. Jamal certainly seems athletic enough to excel at his position and, in my view, a SS with his skill-set and mind for the game, is the future. Positional flexibility is what everyone will be looking for in LB's and Safeties. Can they rush the QB? Can they stop the run? Can they cover? The age of the specialist is over. You can game plan against a specialist because you know what he will be doing on every play. You can't game plan against a player that can perform multiple roles, and even if he is not the best at any of those roles, the element of disguise gives him a clear advantage.

Jamal's a smart football player who's gonna have a very nice career for as long as he's healthy. Someone's gonna pay him. But I stick by the positional value thing. I'd rather have a $5M replacement SS than a $15M Jamal Adams. I just don't think he's doing enough to justify that kinda pay. I understand this hybrid case, the big nickel, how this defense is in the college ranks and making it to the pros, but at the end of the day he's still a 6'1", 215 lb guy who runs a 4.56 and doesn't catch the ball very well. That's not the guy I'm giving my big money deals to. The planet guys, the 6'5" 320 lb-ers who run under 5 second 40's, the 6'3" 200 lb WRs who run sub 4.4, those are the guys I'm paying before Jamal. Them and my QB, obviously. 

In my opinion, that's why RB and safety are two of the lowest valued positions on a football team. They're often plugged with these fire hydrants and their replacements are everywhere. 

[MindOverMatter]

11 minutes ago, slats said:

Again, I didn't say it was unreasonable for him to ask. He can ask away. The reason I don't think it's a good idea on his part lies within your question: it would be foolish for the Jets to pay him, I don't think they're even considering it, and he's just creating tension between himself and the team when it's completely unnecessary. 

Now, if his true goal is to get himself traded off of the Jets ASAP, he's doing what he needs to do. 

Jamal's a smart football player who's gonna have a very nice career for as long as he's healthy. Someone's gonna pay him. But I stick by the positional value thing. I'd rather have a $5M replacement SS than a $15M Jamal Adams. I just don't think he's doing enough to justify that kinda pay. I understand this hybrid case, the big nickel, how this defense is in the college ranks and making it to the pros, but at the end of the day he's still a 6'1", 215 lb guy who runs a 4.56 and doesn't catch the ball very well. That's not the guy I'm giving my big money deals to. The planet guys, the 6'5" 320 lb-ers who run under 5 second 40's, the 6'3" 200 lb WRs who run sub 4.4, those are the guys I'm paying before Jamal. Them and my QB, obviously. 

In my opinion, that's why RB and safety are two of the lowest valued positions on a football team. They're often plugged with these fire hydrants and their replacements are everywhere. 

Agreed, and unfortunately those are the two positions that will be most heavily invested in (along with MLB in Mosley).

Than if Sam does look good this year, it will be time to start thinking about his contract after this season and going further, all while already splurging ~35% on 3 non premium positions on the defense. It's just bad cap management and a silly way to build a team. If we traded Adams last season for the Cowboys 1st and 3rd or whatever it was, we'd have Lamb + probably another good prospect in the 3rd over paying Adams 15-17MIL a year. That's how you evaluate your young qb, set him up with good players not your safety. Hopefully JD has a good plan going forward with Jamal, i want him on the team but probably not for what he's asking.

[Bugg]

2 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

Jamal is getting advice from his dad and other former nflers. He knows that it’s way harder for safeties to get mega contracts than other positions. From the time he was drafted, the jets have taken a qb, a LT and a potential dominant pass rusher in the first round. Throw in Mims who will be paid if he’s good. Douglas isn’t interested in overpaying for a safety and as the team improves, Adams’ relative impact should decrease. 
 

adams knows his window for a big time contract extension with the jets is closing so it’s hard to blame him for continuing to whine in the media and via social media. That’s his generation and that’s his individual personality. But with mccagnan gone so is his leverage and if the jets do extend him it won’t be for close to the money he thinks he’s worth. 

I can understand based on how his dad's career fizzled and how the cap suppresses salaries , he and every player must be very frustrated. The system is designed to keep labor costs low, and competitive balance is an illusion. As a fan, why am I being asked to care what the Johnsons pay any player. At a loss why were are asked to care about sports salaries , but never comes up in any other entertainment venue.

Players have a very limited window to max out your earnings. If you aren't going to toot your horn, nobody else will either. But Adams is going to be hard sell for the Jets or anyone else if his camp if this is an annual thing. 

 

Thread title should be amended to "Adams and agent try to drum up trade interest" 

[14 in Green]

9 hours ago, Big_Slick said:

Maybe I got it crossed up but in no way am I defending Macc. He pulled a golden horseshoe out of his butt when Sam fell to him at #3 overall after he traded three #2's to get to #3 overall before he knew Sam was going to be there. What that should have gotten him was in a position to take Rosen after the Browns picked Sam #1 and the Gint's took Baker at #2.

Side note - Gettlemen - how much did that generational RB improve the Gints record?

 

About as much as the two generational QBs have helped the Browns and Jets?

[Jetsfan80]

16 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I suppose it’s because the book isn’t closed on this part yet. We have to see if Douglas gets a deal done or if he gets a trade sorted out, then we can judge it. Maccagnan would have given Adams CB1 money already.

Also @14 in Green ownership very much could have played a role in Adams not getting traded at the time.  We know how much they like to meddle.  

[Jetsfan80]

4 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

What makes a safety great is probably what surrounds him. 

 

4 hours ago, MindOverMatter said:

Look no further than the bolded part to understand why you don't draft a SS that doesn't create turnovers at 6 overall. If that player already needs players in place to be effective, he's not worth it.

 

It's also a false statement.  Ed Reed produced no matter what talent was around him.  As did Troy Polamalu.  As does Earl Thomas.  As did Sean Taylor, who was on an otherwise awful Redskins defense.  

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, Bugg said:

I can understand based on how his dad's career fizzled and how the cap suppresses salaries , he and every player must be very frustrated. The system is designed to keep labor costs low, and competitive balance is an illusion. As a fan, why am I being asked to care what the Johnsons pay any player. At a loss why were are asked to care about sports salaries , but never comes up in any other entertainment venue.

You answered the question yourself earlier in the post.  The salary cap is legal collusion because of the CBA.  

One player's salary impacts the talent you can bring in.  And in the NFL the salary range is completely inequitable, far more than other leagues with salary caps.  

That's why I generally hate the game, not the player.  I, like slats, had no problem with Revis trying to get every dime he can.  But the way Adams is going about doing it suggests he wants off the team.  I'm, of course, inclined to oblige him on that request.

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, 14 in Green said:

About as much as the two generational QBs have helped the Browns and Jets?

Saquon is one of the 3 best backs in the league and the Giants still suck. 

Mayfield and Darnold are near the bottom of the QB rankings.  But if they improve to even middle-of-the-pack QB's, their teams will end up winning a lot of games.

That's why positional importance matters.

[14 in Green]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

Saquon is one of the 3 best backs in the league and the Giants still suck. 

Mayfield and Darnold are near the bottom of the QB rankings.  But if they improve to even middle-of-the-pack QB's, their teams will end up winning a lot of games.

That's why positional importance matters.

All this has nothing to do with the question he asked, or the answer I gave the guy asking "how much did selecting the RB affect the Giants W-L record". The answer to that is still "as much as taking the 2 QBs the Jets and Browns did"

Why? Because all 3 have had no positive impact yet. 

Hope about one might end up doing so, and/or positional value are separate discussions.

[Jetsfan80]

11 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

All this has nothing to do with the question he asked, or the answer I gave the guy asking "how much did selecting the RB affect the Giants W-L record". The answer to that is still "as much as taking the 2 QBs the Jets and Browns did"

Why? Because all 3 have had no positive impact yet. 

Hope about one might end up doing so, and/or positional value are separate discussions.

 

Yes, but Saquon is the only one of that trio that is actually playing at the top of his craft.  It demonstrates that having a top 5 running back does nothing for your team, and how Gettleman should have either traded down or taken a QB at 2.  

That has a lot to do with the discussion at hand, IMO.  RB's and SS's are in a similar bucket.  

[Jetsfan80]

Double post.

[14 in Green]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Yes, but Saquon is the only one of that trio that is actually playing at the top of his craft.  It demonstrates that having a top 5 running back does nothing for your team.  That has EVERYTHING to do with the argument at hand.  

What if that team with that RB drafts a QB the next year who shows he's probably as likely to succeed as the other two QBs taken by the other two teams? Does that change the argument at all?

I think it does.

[BornJetsFan1983]

7 hours ago, NYJ1 said:

I am dead set against any discussions of trading Adams. I think JD should set the right precedent moving forward and sign Jamal to a monster contract. This will show every younger player coming through the door that great play will be rewarded as it should be.

wouldnt the better option be sign a player that helps the team win games and sets a foundation that we can build on top of to be a playoff contender? sorry but how about we just keep him on his rookie contract and invest in other areas for the time being...take a few poicks and player if we can get em

[BornJetsFan1983]

38 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Saquon is one of the 3 best backs in the league and the Giants still suck. 

Mayfield and Darnold are near the bottom of the QB rankings.  But if they improve to even middle-of-the-pack QB's, their teams will end up winning a lot of games.

That's why positional importance matters.

true

[Jetsfan80]

22 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

What if that team with that RB drafts a QB the next year who shows he's probably as likely to succeed as the other two QBs taken by the other two teams? Does that change the argument at all?

I think it does.

It shows that QB matters a lot and RB doesn't matter a whole lot.  

If they liked Jones over Mayfield and Darnold, the proper move was to trade down from # 2 the previous draft.  I listed that as one of the 2 options available to Gettleman in my previous post.  In no scenario was taking the RB at # 2 the smart move.

It's pretty simple stuff.

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Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

It shows that QB matters a lot and RB doesn't matter a whole lot.  

If they liked Jones over Mayfield and Darnold, the proper move was to trade down from # 2 the previous draft.  I listed that as one of the 2 options available to Gettleman in my previous post.  In no scenario was taking the RB at # 2 the smart move.

It's pretty simple stuff.

To you, it might be simple stuff. To me, the Giants, the Cowboys and the Titans it isn't.

Ask the Titans and Cowboys how they feel about Henry and Elliot. Ask them if having a top 5 RB helps their team.

*and please, don't give me they weren't the #2 pick in their draft, they were damn close. If its your turn, and you see a OROY type player sitting there, you take him.