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13 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

Even if JD was a fan of Darnold, how can he not decide to move on at this point? It shouldn't come down to one game, I know.  But putting recency bias aside, this game was a microcosm of Darnold's Jet career.  Was it Gase's fault?  Maybe.  But even when he had plenty of time, he made perplexingly bad decisions.  I would be shocked if we don't draft a QB at this point.  It is time to move on.  Now get it right, Joe.

I sure hope so.  Game was tied.  Sam opened the floodgates with that first pick.  He was not able overcome his mistakes and did not produce a score the rest of the game. I don't think Sam believes in Sam anymore.

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9 minutes ago, NamathToCaster said:

I sure hope so.  Game was tied.  Sam opened the floodgates with that first pick.  He was not able overcome his mistakes and did not produce a score the rest of the game. I don't think Sam believes in Sam anymore.

New rules to add to Parcell’s QB criteria:

1. Do not draft a QB from Texas that’s never been on a horse

2. Do not draft a QB from Colorado that’s never been on the slopes

3. Do not draft a QB from SoCal that’s never been on a wave standing up

Thats not all-world competitive alpha fire.

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On 1/3/2021 at 8:32 PM, phill1c said:

Here's the REAL reason not to keep Darnold: $$$$

His option year is something like $25 million. DEFINITELY not worth that...

The contract is also why it's hard to trade Sam.   A potential fixer GM, will only get one year to fix Sam before he becomes a free agent.   

I'm not a cap guy, but the way I understand the Sam timeline is:

May 2021:  We decline the $25M, 5th year option for 2022. 

2021 Season: If we don't get any good offers,  we can keep Sam for a measly $9M or so, much of which has already been paid and counted towards our cap.  Maybe a miracle happens in which case we can gladly pay to keep him after the season, but most probably we let him walk for a comp pick.  Edit: @choon328 says we get $5M cap savings if we trade Sam.

2022: Sam's a FA:  If you're a GM that wants Sam, this is when you strike.   You sign Sam to a one year prove it deal or a multiyear team-friendly contract and it doesn't cost a draft pick.

So the question is - Is the opposing GM willing to give away a 2021 draft pick and possibly get only one year of Sam in return?

My opinion, as JD, I would make the trade if it's a 5th or better.  Otherwise, keep Sam for 2021 in case a miracle happens and he increases his trade/comp pick value.

As an opposing GM, I wouldn't trade a bag of footballs for Sam now, but maybe I'd kick the tires in 2022 for free.

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6 minutes ago, dcJet said:

That's also why it's hard to trade him.   A potential fixer GM, will only get one year to fix Sam before he becomes a free agent.   

I'm not a cap guy, but the way I understand the Sam timeline is:

May 2021:  We decline the $25M 5th year option for 2022. 

2021 Season: Assuming we don't get any good offers,  we can keep Sam for a measly 9M or so, much of which has already been paid and counted towards our cap.  Maybe a miracle happens in which case we can gladly pay to keep him after the season or let him walk for a comp pick.

2022: Sam becomes a FA:  If you're a Sam-can-be-fixed-GM, this is when you strike.   You sign Sam to a one year prove it deal or a multiyear team-friendly contract and it costs no compensation.

So the question is - Is the opposing GM willing to give away a 2021 draft pick and possibly get only one year of Sam in return?

My opinion, we should make the trade if it's a 4th or better.  Otherwise, keep Sam for next year and based on his performance, sign him or get a comp pick.

As an opposing GM, I wouldn't trade a bag of footballs for Sam now, but maybe I'd kick the tires in 2022 for free.

If Sam stays, look for the team to sign him to a "3-year extension" at an average salary of around $15 million per year with $25-30 million guaranteed. The final year would be voidable. 

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2 minutes ago, football guy said:

If Sam stays, look for the team to sign him to a "3-year extension" at an average salary of around $15 million per year with $25-30 million guaranteed. The final year would be voidable. 

No way.  Let him play out his last year and then get the comp pick.

 

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4 minutes ago, football guy said:

If Sam stays, look for the team to sign him to a "3-year extension" at an average salary of around $15 million per year with $25-30 million guaranteed. The final year would be voidable. 

If this happens?  Even with Gase fired, I'd be gone.  No way I could stomach another year(s) with Darnold as QB.  Just would be beyond my dwindling mental/emotional capacity.

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Knowing that it was going to be another loooong offseason, I just wanted to watch a good game of Jets football. I assumed Sam was going to play inspired as there was a lot on the line for him.

At half time I went outside to take down the Xmas lights and really didn’t want to come back in to watch the second half.  
 

Unfortunately I can back in to watch all the Patriots high fiving Beli for 2 more quarters. Offensive players, defensive players, their whole damn team. 
 

Good luck Gase with whatever you do, PLEASE take Sam with you.

 

I want a Head Coach and a starting QB with Fire, a sense of urgency, and an obvious appearance that they care.

Anyway, Happy New Year Jetnation!

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1 hour ago, southtown24th said:

A lot of stuff made JD's life a lot easier throughout this weekend.

It's game over

 

And next Monday when Fields faces his biggest test.  If that goes well, Fields hopefully will  be a Jet.  I don't think Sam will be retained, because new coach is not going to want to work with a lame duck quarterback and Sam has been knocked off his pedestal.  It would be awkward.  

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Today's game was the final nail in Darnold's coffin in NY.  Knowing he was playing with his NFL future on the line, he gave us this stinker.  It's a shame really.  Regardless of how we got here or who's fault it is, after 3 years Darnold cannot consistently read defenses, has terrible footwork, holds the ball too long, and is not capable of elevating the play of the players around him. Even a big supporter like me has seen enough.  He cannot be our QB in 2021.  No way.  

I'm officially on the draft Fields bandwagon.  Sorry Sam.

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2 hours ago, dcJet said:

The contract is also why it's hard to trade Sam.   A potential fixer GM, will only get one year to fix Sam before he becomes a free agent.   

I'm not a cap guy, but the way I understand the Sam timeline is:

May 2021:  We decline the $25M, 5th year option for 2022. 

2021 Season: If we don't get any good offers,  we can keep Sam for a measly $9M or so, much of which has already been paid and counted towards our cap.  Maybe a miracle happens in which case we can gladly pay to keep him after the season, but most probably we let him walk for a comp pick.

2022: Sam's a FA:  If you want to fix him, this is when you strike.   You sign Sam to a one year prove it deal or a multiyear team-friendly contract and it doesn't cost a draft pick.

So the question is - Is the opposing GM willing to give away a 2021 draft pick and possibly get only one year of Sam in return?

My opinion, as JD, I would make the trade if it's a 4th or better.  Otherwise, keep Sam for 2021.

As an opposing GM, I wouldn't trade a bag of footballs for Sam now, but maybe I'd kick the tires in 2022 for free.

Dream on if you think Sam can be salvaged, dream on.  

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4 hours ago, jgb said:

He decided last off season, as we said. Hence the zero investment in FA.

right. cos if he was good, like watson, he'd still ball like a mfer and be obviously a good qb playing on a bad team. instead he took a team  that could have won 5,6 or 7 and won 2 games.  a minus player. a qb who significantly decreases your odds of winning. 

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