Daniel Jeremiah- “Mims, I have been told, is off the charts in the offseason stuff."

[Warfish]

13 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

5 hours ago, Warfish said:

What point are you trying to make here exactly?

Comparing results of a rookie to a vet with a better OL will lead u to the results u posted.

That Tom Shane posted.

So your theory is that Davis's catch rate declined from 70.7% to 59% because Zach was a rookie, and because Zach's O-line was worse.

So is it the takeaway here that the actual passes thrown to Davis were demonstrably worse, because "Zach was a rookie" and because our O-line gave less protection?

 

[freestater]

5 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Why assume the worst?

Cant speak for anybody else, but for me it's the fact that I've paid attention to this team for a few decades. 

[rangerous]

the reality is until mims isn't a jet he's a jet asset.  there's a chance that he can come back strong and press someone for a starting job.  or the jets keep up the good talk since he's still a potential trade chip.  i also don't think the jets are so happy to give up on mim's obvious talent.  he's tall and fast.  who knows if saleh was making some sort of wise crack last season about mims not knowing all of the wr positions.

[Scoop24]

 

[Jet Nut]

30 minutes ago, freestater said:

Cant speak for anybody else, but for me it's the fact that I've paid attention to this team for a few decades. 

The decade before the last didn’t suck

 I’d love to see those teams again

[TuscanyTile2]

If Mims brings it this year and Becton returns to his rookie form (or better), our offense might be more than just competent. 

RB: Breece and MC.  Potential to be really good.  Hopefully they stay healthy (feels like more of a concern for MC but RB is a grinding position).

WR: Garrett Wilson, Moore, Davis, Berrios and Mims.  Potential to be really good

TE: Uzomah, Conklin, Ruckert.  Finally a competent group of TEs after years of there being an almost complete void at the position.

OL: Becton, AVT, McGovern, Laken Tomlinson, Fant.  Potential to be very good.

[freestater]

2 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

The decade before the last didn’t suck

 I’d love to see those teams again

They we're better. They still failed to live up to any optimistic expectations. 

[EM31]

3 hours ago, freestater said:

Cant speak for anybody else, but for me it's the fact that I've paid attention to this team for a few decades. 

Some players do manage to reinvent themselves after a really poor start to their careers but it is extremely rare.

Until we hear some evidence out of training camp or better yet until we actually see some evidence showing up in games then Mims is a colossal bust.  Not a Vernon Gholston level bust but not too far off that either.  For all we know he hired himself a media consultant and this is nothing but pure spin.

I am with you freestater.  The history of the Jets suggest that we are not real lucky with these kinds of things.  Fingers crossed but expectations are low until Denzel gives us some reason to change them.

[slats]

9 minutes ago, EM31 said:

Some players do manage to reinvent themselves after a really poor start to their careers but it is extremely rare.

Until we hear some evidence out of training camp or better yet until we actually see some evidence showing up in games then Mims is a colossal bust.  Not a Vernon Gholston level bust but not too far off that either.  For all we know he hired himself a media consultant and this is nothing but pure spin.

I am with you freestater.  The history of the Jets suggest that we are not real lucky with these kinds of things.  Fingers crossed but expectations are low until Denzel gives us some reason to change them.

I’ve basically thought that Mims has been unlucky but, also, that you make your own luck. But maybe he really has just been snake-bitten his first two years in the league. I’m getting this feeling that they really are pretty high on him inside the building. A lot of hype about the shape he’s in physically and mentally. Have to remember that they let two WRs go in free agency, brought none in, and drafted just one. Drafted him high, but there’s plenty of room on the roster for Mims to secure a spot, and I suspect that that’s by design. 

[Skeptable]

1 hour ago, EM31 said:

Some players do manage to reinvent themselves after a really poor start to their careers but it is extremely rare.

Until we hear some evidence out of training camp or better yet until we actually see some evidence showing up in games then Mims is a colossal bust.  Not a Vernon Gholston level bust but not too far off that either.  For all we know he hired himself a media consultant and this is nothing but pure spin.

I am with you freestater.  The history of the Jets suggest that we are not real lucky with these kinds of things.  Fingers crossed but expectations are low until Denzel gives us some reason to change them.

Corey Davis did... He was considered a bust

[jetfan39]

5 hours ago, freestater said:

Cant speak for anybody else, but for me it's the fact that I've paid attention to this team for a few decades. 

I've been doing it since their first day of existence with the exception of 1969. Not bad, 1 year out of 62. LOL

[32EBoozer]

14 minutes ago, Skeptable said:

Fingers crossed but expectations are low until Denzel gives us some reason to change them.

[peekskill68]

1 hour ago, EM31 said:

Some players do manage to reinvent themselves after a really poor start to their careers but it is extremely rare.

Until we hear some evidence out of training camp or better yet until we actually see some evidence showing up in games then Mims is a colossal bust.  Not a Vernon Gholston level bust but not too far off that either.  For all we know he hired himself a media consultant and this is nothing but pure spin.

I am with you freestater.  The history of the Jets suggest that we are not real lucky with these kinds of things.  Fingers crossed but expectations are low until Denzel gives us some reason to change them.

The only point I would counter with is Mims actually showed some flashes as a rookie in Gase's system with Darnold as the QB.  This doesn't feel like a Devin Smith/Steven Hill type of situation to me.  I tend to agree with people that there was something else going on here that explains the drop off in year 2...

[Skeptable]

54 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

I like how you edited what I said.. Instead of quoting it

[Sperm Edwards]

6 hours ago, Warfish said:

That Tom Shane posted.

So your theory is that Davis's catch rate declined from 70.7% to 59% because Zach was a rookie, and because Zach's O-line was worse.

So is it the takeaway here that the actual passes thrown to Davis were demonstrably worse, because "Zach was a rookie" and because our O-line gave less protection?

 

Hogwash.

Davis was already on a downward trend from the close of the prior season, when he caught only 9 of his last 19. This clearly carried over to the following season and yes this is the story I’m sticking with because those stats are the facts and stats don’t lie and stuff.

Seriously, though, the drops were on Davis. The tough catches weren’t credited as official drops. In reality there were a couple more that he really should’ve had, as a veteran 8-figure/year WR, even if the throws were just meh, since they did get two hands on them. 

Just counting the 5-6 that were inexcusable drops - call it 5 - he should’ve had no fewer than 39 receptions, or 66%. Given Wilson’s garbage early season, that’s really not tragic. Davis’s season was tragic. He was brought in to be a steadying force for a rookie QB and he was a drops machine followed by missing half the season.

You were down on him when the team picked him up. Stick with your winning hand.   

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

6 hours ago, Scoop24 said:

 

[Warfish]

30 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

You were down on him when the team picked him up. Stick with your winning hand.   

I was. 

But this isn't my theory, I'm just trying to understand Dun's theory here.

[jNYC1]

If Mims puts up better stats than Garrett Wilson this year…  Would that be a good thing or a bad thing?

I think a lot of people might lose their minds if Davis, Moore, Mims are the top 3 WR pass catchers in terms of yds and tds (with Wilson being phased in as a deep threat, gadget guy)

“Inconceivable” to most but we’ve also been spoiled by a few high end receivers hitting the ground running as rookies.  Not sure hit rate on wr1 or wr2 production from a rookie in Shanahan scheme is slam dunk…

[T0mShane]

8 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I can't speak for others, but I don't care even if Becton has already played his last game for the Jets I still wouldn't burn the #4 overall pick on a RT. 

Far better to choose an available veteran and take the more uniquely-skilled playmaker at #4, while also letting a day 3 pick give it a homerun try to take the position if/when said veteran misses time to injury (if not eventually on IR outright).

QBs don't turn into busts because their team didn't invest a top 5 pick to field a rookie RT. If Wilson sucks (again) it'll be on him. 

I meant to comment on this earlier, but I wish to issue a mea culpa. I’ve come around to agreeing with you and (the very smug) @slats on this issue. I wanted Ekonwu because he seems to be a slam dunk pick who would directly help Zach Wilson and make ten Pro Bowls, but then again the difference between what Ekonwu would provide vs what a possible Becton plus Max Mitchell might provide isn’t all that great. While I do feel like CB is a bit overrated at this point, I get the appeal of Gardner and—presuming he hits—should likewise serve as a slam-dunk asset for a long time

[Sperm Edwards]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I meant to comment on this earlier, but I wish to issue a mea culpa. I’ve come around to agreeing with you and (the very smug) @slats on this issue. I wanted Ekonwu because he seems to be a slam dunk pick who would directly help Zach Wilson and make ten Pro Bowls, but then again the difference between what Ekonwu would provide vs what a possible Becton plus Max Mitchell might provide isn’t all that great. While I do feel like CB is a bit overrated at this point, I get the appeal of Gardner and—presuming he hits—should likewise serve as a slam-dunk asset for a long time

Well now I’m not in favor of it anymore. They should’ve taken a tackle. 

Put ‘em up. 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Well now I’m not in favor of it anymore. They should’ve taken a tackle. 

Put ‘em up. 

lol ?

[Pac]

8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I’ve come around to agreeing with you and (the very smug) @slats on this issue.

No idea on what any of this is about but just want to concur that Slats is indeed abnormally smug.

[T0mShane]

9 minutes ago, Pac said:

No idea on what any of this is about but just want to concur that Slats is indeed abnormally smug.

The embodiment of smug

[football guy]

I don't think it's impossible to see him become a late breakout, but more likely his career arc could look something like Zay Jones/Jacoby Jones

[Irish Jet]

6 hours ago, T0mShane said:

The embodiment of smug

Smug personified. So smug that when Mr and Mrs Smug had a baby they called him Slats. 

[JustInFudge]

I too believe, Slats is extremely smug

 

[Adoni Beast]

I mean if Mims becomes a good backup, decent starter then I'll accept that at this point.

[slats]

I can’t help it if I’m good and I know it. 

[slats]

9 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I’ve come around to agreeing with you and (the very smug) @slats on this issue.

The irony here is that I have yet to approach the smugness that you brought with your absolute certainty that Ekwonu would be the pick, that the team was done with Becton before the draft, lol. I’m glad you’ve come around, though. You’re usually pretty smart when you feel like talking about football, and the idea of taking another OL was dumb.  

[T0mShane]

9 minutes ago, slats said:

The irony here is that I have yet to approach the smugness that you brought with your absolute certainty that Ekwonu would be the pick, that the team was done with Becton before the draft, lol. I’m glad you’ve come around, though. You’re usually pretty smart when you feel like talking about football, and the idea of taking another OL was dumb.  

^^^Smug meter: DEFCON 5

[Integrity28]

26 minutes ago, slats said:

I can’t help it if I’m good and I know it. 

[Integrity28]

2 hours ago, JiFapono said:

I too believe, Slats is extremely smug

 

If I concur, do I get banned?

[Jets Things]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

^^^Smug meter: DEFCON 5

Don't you mean DEFCON 1?

Sorry. I'm smug, too. 

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, Jets Things said:

Don't you mean DEFCON 1?

Sorry. I'm smug, too. 

Is this the @slats burner??

[slats]

12 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

^^^Smug meter: DEFCON 5

What does Conner Hughes tell you about it?