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[fullblast]

These metrics are always a bit iffy because I’m sure I saw him give up a catch to Pickens early on, but take it for what it’s worth.

[xJayce]

10 minutes ago, bostonmajet said:

I would agree with that it a lot of ways. All too often on this site fans jump back and forth so that they can pick whichever fits their narrative. And while they are free to do that and you are free to not be objective, fans who are quick to adjust their approach to fit their narrative makes this site unreadable IMO. Again, not saying you but....

This site has gone crazy about the stats are so important, unless they are done by a Jet QB in the 4th quarter - every QB in the league, especially Mac Jones IMO make hay in garbage time, but fans have called out garbage time stats in the two games that the Jets won. This is just - look - the player sucks, the coach sucks, I was right with no objectivity.

Even after a win, you read the site without knowing the score and you couldn't tell in some of the threads that we actually won. Reading the game thread in the 4th and you would think we were down by 35 points..

As smarter people than I have said: "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics". You can make the numbers say whatever you want with enough creativity and effort.

That's why I tend to err on the side of context. Having a QB Rating of 100 in garbage time vs a QB Rating of 30 when you're up by 2 points is in the 4th quarter, again, very different.

My narratives tend to not always be stat driven, but I think they help tell a story. But if you're a good story teller, you may be able to take a the same stats and tell a different story.

[BRONX DUDE]

3 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I'll take the flashes.  And I'd be overjoyed if he led us to 2 TD drives in the 4th quarter.

And to the Flacco Flock, don't try to convince me that the Browns game was in any way comparable.

This

[Grandy]

ESPN QBR gives Wilson a 53.2. Pretty solid and lines up with the consensus of his day. 

[jgb]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

That’s your choice but pretty much everyone else does.  ZW hasn’t played a whole season yet.  
Im just glad he balled out when he had to and gives hope that he’s growing

Pretty much everyone else is a reactionary when it comes to sports. I'm intensely objective until such time as the Jets have earned back my emotional investment.

[jgb]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

Sure that’s what we have here. 
 

Agree

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14 minutes ago, fullblast said:

These metrics are always a bit iffy because I’m sure I saw him give up a catch to Pickens early on, but take it for what it’s worth.

Yea I definitely saw one with Pickens. He has played lights out though

[HawkeyeJet]

It really is kinda of crazy the tale of two Zach’s today.  His first 3 drives and last two drives he was 14/18 for 180 yards and a TD.  His 5 drives in between that? 4/18 with Two picks.  Yikes.

The thing I found kind of interesting is that for the most part, his “good” was largely when going to guys he played with last year.

When targeting Davis, Moore, Berrios and Carter he was 11/15 for 147 yards and TD.

When targeting “new guys” Conklin, Wilson and Hall he was 7 for 17 for 105 yards and a pick six.  The other pick was on the target to Smith on a terrible decision and throw.

That does give me a bit of hope that once he builds up a comfort level with the new guys, we will really see a leap.  He’s had very little time to gel with those guys.  Just very interesting how poor his stats were targeting them.  Might mean nothing  though.

[Jet Nut]

Just now, jgb said:

Pretty much everyone else is a reactionary when it comes to sports. I'm intensely objective until such time as the Jets have earned back my emotional investment.

I get it

But early when it was asked what we wanted for the season and I said play competitive football.  Win or lose that’s what they gave us today.  
For all the talk about what we did wrong, a catch by Conklin instead a tip to set up a TD from inside the 5 and we give up 13 and don’t need the last TD.  Not complaining

[Zachtomims47]

Would love to see what a clean game, penalty wise, would look like. 

Back to back games where things start out and then a big penalty changes the momentum of the game. Stop hitting the fn QB late!!

[shawn306]

When was the last time the Jets came back from 10 10+ down in the 4th quarter and actually won ?

Im guessing 2000

[The Crusher]

Just now, shawn306 said:

When was the last time the Jets came back from 10 10+ down in the 4th quarter and actually won ?

Im guessing 2000

Two weeks ago? 

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, shawn306 said:

When was the last time the Jets came back from 10 10+ down in the 4th quarter and actually won ?

Im guessing 2000

Two weeks ago 

[Jet Nut]

4 hours ago, Pac said:

I sincerely wish I could quit this team.  

I wish many would

[shawn306]

Ok I’m an idiot. Twice in one year

[Jet Nut]

6 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Would love to see what a clean game, penalty wise, would look like. 

Back to back games where things start out and then a big penalty changes the momentum of the game. Stop hitting the fn QB late!!

Don’t think it was late.  Think they called the laying weight on him nonsense 

[The Crusher]

Just now, shawn306 said:

Ok I’m an idiot. Twice in one year

Not even close. This is new territory for us. No one can’t fault you brother for it feeling like forever. 

[Bugg]

1 hour ago, Trotter said:

Well next weeks game against the fish will have some juice to it.

been awhile since I could say that

Tua will be out next week, good chance Pats will be on the QB3 week after that. Schedule could not line up more favorably. Need to win these games.

[Mogglez]

7 hours ago, Mogglez said:

I got some thoughts I’ll post later, but I’m hosting people today for the games so I was MIA.  Big dub fellas!

Here we go, guests just left:

- Credit where credit is due.  The defense, particularly the Safeties, came to play.  Ulbrich had his unit play four quarters of good football. We do need better coverage LBs though.

- LaFleur…not his best game…but his players didn’t help him.  I didn’t love some of his situational play calling today, but I think there were opportunities left on the field due to very bad OL play, drops, and rust from the QB.

- Garrett Wilson couldn’t catch a cold today and single handedly killed a drive with two brutal drops.  He’s been great this year, but the drops are a recurring theme that need to change.  

- Zach’s first INT was a bad read and good defensive play, but can’t happen with that position.  No need for that playcall and definitely no need for him to take that shot with the field position we had.  The second INT was completely on Conklin who, like Garrett Wilson, needs to go back and work with the jugs machine, because we are seeing these types of drops/plays way too often from him.  If he can’t hold onto it, then someone else needs to get some reps, whether that’s Ruckert, Cager, or Uzomah.  So far Conklin is on pace to be responsible for one turnover a game with his mistakes.  Figure it out, or get off the field.  The yardage he gets doesn’t outweigh the critical issues.

- Bryce Huff should never be inactive again.

- Quinnen was a force.

- Jermaine Johnson had a great day.

- Sauce Gardner had an elite day.

- Get Breece Hall run blockers, and he’s gonna gash people.

- Unless you get a mid to high 2nd for him, keep Corey Davis.  He’s too consistent.

- AVT is an absolute stud.

- The right side of the line is in shambles.  Herbig is/was a big liability, and McDermott was mediocre, at best, horrendous, at worst.

- Elijah Moore and Wilson had a nice connection early on.  I can see that getting much better as the weeks go by.

- Zach (& this is where I’m going to wrap this up.):  

Taking a step back from the hype and emotions of the game…it was a pretty up and down day.  There is, still, quite a bit he needs to clean up.  No, he didn’t get much help, if at all, today (looking, again, at Garret Wilson and Tyler Conklin + the O-Line/running game), but the end of the first half pick cannot, under any circumstances, happen.  That was, 125%, on him.  Maybe it was rust, maybe it was hero ball, I don’t know, I have yet to watch or read any post-game stuff.

That being said…

The fourth quarter was probably the best football I have seen from him yet.  Stepped up in the pocket, made perfect throws (seriously, the ball placement is night and day), played WITHIN the offense, didn’t let the moment become too big for him, and he successfully took out the Steelers on the road.  Very encouraging stuff.  That’s the kid we all want to see.  I’m not crowning him anything just yet.  I need a better four quarters than what I saw today.  However, I think he played better than the box score showed, and there were some big moments of growth on display today.  I don’t think the kid from last year wins that game.  I’m, still, cautiously optimistic. 

[Jet Nut]

44 minutes ago, BRONX DUDE said:

I'm sure Tomlin rolled the coverages #17's way.

They do watch film.

He’s also playing with injured ribs from a week ago

[SuicidalSince98]

18 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

It really is kinda of crazy the tale of two Zach’s today.  His first 3 drives and last two drives he was 14/18 for 180 yards and a TD.  His 5 drives in between that? 4/18 with Two picks.  Yikes.

The thing I found kind of interesting is that for the most part, his “good” was largely when going to guys he played with last year.

When targeting Davis, Moore, Berrios and Carter he was 11/15 for 147 yards and TD.

When targeting “new guys” Conklin, Wilson and Hall he was 7 for 17 for 105 yards and a pick six.  The other pick was on the target to Smith on a terrible decision and throw.

That does give me a bit of hope that once he builds up a comfort level with the new guys, we will really see a leap.  He’s had very little time to gel with those guys.  Just very interesting how poor his stats were targeting them.  Might mean nothing  though.

“Pick 6” hit the player in both hands should be an easy catch and please spare me that the throw was “high” Conklin is a professional TE and needs to be able to jump 6 inches in the air and make that catch 1000/1000 times 

watch every throw from today and you won’t find long stretches of bad play, but you will see Wilson running for his life a few times  

https://youtu.be/ivmN1XK_aZw

[Mogglez]

15 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Would love to see what a clean game, penalty wise, would look like. 

Back to back games where things start out and then a big penalty changes the momentum of the game. Stop hitting the fn QB late!!

I may be in the minority here, but I thought that call was incredibly soft.

[shawn306]

I think they did a good job distributing the ball all around, and the fact they did not totally abandon the running game. 
 

Need to stop with the self inflicted wounds. 
 

Next week will be interesting. 
 

And flunk Harbaugh and his analytics 

[JetsYanks13]

I may be in the minority here, but I thought that call was incredibly soft.

Same here, along with the Michael Carter full start on the 5.


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[Zachtomims47]

6 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I may be in the minority here, but I thought that call was incredibly soft.

Eh. Soft or not. You should know better. Especially on a Hail Mary throw? 

[Mogglez]

2 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Eh. Soft or not. You should know better. Especially on a Hail Mary throw? 

Yeah, that I can agree with.  Don’t give the refs any reason to throw the flag in a situation like that.

[sourceworx]

1 hour ago, Lith said:

This is the only update I have seen, which does not sound good.

 

Sh!t.

[FidelioJet]

Zach Wilson - bad 10 minutes - otherwise solid steady performance......

15 minute stud performance.

Zach "The Future" Wilson...

[Dunnie]

“Pick 6” hit the player in both hands should be an easy catch and please spare me that the throw was “high” Conklin is a professional TE and needs to be able to jump 6 inches in the air and make that catch 1000/1000 times 
watch every throw from today and you won’t find long stretches of bad play, but you will see Wilson running for his life a few times  

Conklin .. to his credit ... had some extremely clutch catches too.

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[Maxman]

6 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

We back boys!!!

Welcome back.

[Maxman]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

Conklin .. to his credit ... had some extremely clutch catches too.

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He bounced back for sure.

[T0mShane]

14 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Had a premonition that the Jets lose a tight game 24-20. Zach finishes 17 of 32 for 188 yards, no TDs, no INTs. The highlight being Zach going 5-6 for 63 yards on the final drive (capped by an eight-yard Breece Hall TD run) to pull the Jets within four. 

So close.

[doitny]

3 hours ago, shawn306 said:

Ok I’m an idiot. Twice in one year

but this is interesting

 

[nycdan]

Well now we really screwed up our draft position next April.  

This team...

[Big_Slick]

I'm still processing what happened. Of course I'll take the two W's but they don't feel like the Jets deserved to win either game. I want to see them kick some Dolfig ass next week by double digits.