Should CJ Mosley be playing on 3rd Down passing plays?

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

The guy is the captain of the defense and seemingly has a lot of respect in the locker room, but …

He seems to be a main target and victim of opposing offenses, in both man & zone.

What do you think?

Also, Jetsxfactor had a good article on not playing to JFM’s strengths as an interior pass rusher..  What does your 3rd down 4 man line look like?

I write this believing the Jets aren’t optimizing their talent here and it’s been a big problem, Pittsburg’s crappy offense aside for 1 game.

My lineup is becoming clear:

Huff, JFM, Q, Lawson

Kwon, Sherwood

DJ, Sauce, Carter II

Yesterday’s Joyner, Whitehead or Davis 

 

[BCJet]

Mosley and JFM are both good takeaways from yesterday

First off, I completely agree that our 3rd down DL should be Huff, QW, JFM and Lawson (with JJ taking Lawson's spot next year).  The usage of Huff and JFM is nothing short of baffling to me, as JFM is clearly, unequivocably better on the interior and we have a DE in JJ who can take his spot on run downs.  Why do we keep using him as a DE it makes no sense

For Huff, we got close to Burrow a bunch of times and just couldnt get him down, why not put more speed into your rush group?  He is one of our few guys who can beat an OT to the outside which forces the QB to move up in the pocket to where hopefully QW and JFM are pushing the pocket.  To me this isnt schematic, its not having a strong understanding of your own personnel. 

As for mosley, he seemed to really struggle yesterday.   I havent been a huge critic of his contract because its a sunk cost but even setting aside his cost, is he any good anymore?  This is a guy who is allegedly good in zone coverage, he had 9 ints in 5 seasons in Baltimore and then a huge int in his first game as as jet - and has never had another one since.  On top of that, his next tackle for loss will be his first, no forced fumbles, no sacks, he is just so average at this point that its really disappointing.  I do think it will benefit the team long term to get sherwood in more as he may be the future at one of our LB spots. 

[Joe W. Namath]

He is not a fit for this D but because of the contract McCagnan gave him, the Jets and Mosely are trying their best to make it work.  I think his role will stay the same.

[thebuzzardman]

My takeaway from reading this is that Jeff Ulbrich sucks ass. 

 

However bad Saleh might be, Ulbrich is running laps around him in the suckathon. 

 

[Joe W. Namath]

4 minutes ago, thebuzzardman said:

My takeaway from reading this is that Jeff Ulbrich sucks ass. 

 

However bad Saleh might be, Ulbrich is running laps around him in the suckathon. 

 

Holding the home team to 20 points and getting 4 turnovers is not the time to be banging on the defensive coordinator.

Saleh and Ulbrich's defense did their job yesterday.

[Scott Dierking]

We really need to talk about CJ Mosley. I know the Jets restructured, giving him more guaranteed money next year. Is he basically uncuttable at that time? @Sperm Edwards

Seeing Tight Ends roaming across the intermediate middle is frustrating. Watching home a tick late on any tackle is maddening. Watching him draw penalties for always piling on is indefensible.

Jets need to be better there.  

[SuicidalSince98]

News flash: other team gets paid to make plays also 

[Scott Dierking]

1 minute ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

News flash: other team gets paid to make plays also 

Yes, but why are so many plays made in the direction where Moseley is?

[Greensleeves]

1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Holding the home team to 20 points and getting 4 turnovers is not the time to be banging on the defensive coordinator.

Saleh and Ulbrich's defense did their job yesterday.

Exactly. It's like people forget what happened in the game they just watched.

[Lurker89]

Yes... yes he should.

Next question.

[Barry McCockinner]

[tommyduhamelshouse]

I know the play you're talking about. he got toasted.

[nj meadowlands]

Probably not, but the least Ulbrich can do is stop pairing him up on f***ing slot receivers

[thebuzzardman]

1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Holding the home team to 20 points and getting 4 turnovers is not the time to be banging on the defensive coordinator.

Saleh and Ulbrich's defense did their job yesterday.

Pittsburg is an awful team this season and particularly yesterday

[Lurker89]

1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

banging on the defensive coordinator.

Zach really needs to get his libido in check...

[Sonny Werblin]

In fairness to Mosely, Freirmuth is a very good TE and on most of the receptions, CJ was right there. It wasn't like he was flat out beat. While he is definitely overpaid, his remains the Jets best all around LB. 

[Lurker89]

29 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

News flash: other team gets paid to make plays also 

 

[Smashmouth]

CJ Mosley is a soft player now. He will not take on a RB head on always makes tackle from the side allowing the runner to gain more yards and at times pick up the first down. Seems to me he avoids the high impact tackles that will stop a runner in his tracks to avoid the extra yards gained. He is obviously not the player he once was before we signed him. Hopefully the restructure Douglas worked out can get him out of hear faster and cheaper then we can use a high draft pick to start revamping this LB Corp. I believe that's is the weakness of the entire Defense.

[shuler82]

What was Mosley doing out there on the last play of the game in a Hail Mary situation? That made zero sense. 

[rangerous]

47 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Yes, but why are so many plays made in the direction where Moseley is?

if mosley was so darn bad the other teams would either run at him or throw exclusively to the guy he's covering.  there's a fine line between being really good in pass coverage and just average.

[Irish Jet]

I think the alternatives must just be terrible. Quincy Williams has somehow been worse in coverage. 

Definitely a position that needs investment in the summer and Mosley needs to be gone. Just an awful unit. 

[DjHoldyHold]

Yeah he should. There really isn't anybody else we can throw out there. 

[Fantasy Island]

Raggedy Anne is done.  Can we trade him?

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

28 minutes ago, rangerous said:

if mosley was so darn bad the other teams would either run at him or throw exclusively to the guy he's covering.  there's a fine line between being really good in pass coverage and just average.

Sure but would Sherwood be better at pass coverage?  Lots of teams play specialists at backer; there’s not near as many 3 down linebackers as there uses to be.

Saleh rotates his defensive linemen to keep them fresh but doesn’t test playing different linebackers based on situation.  

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

22 minutes ago, DjHoldyHold said:

Yeah he should. There really isn't anybody else we can throw out there. 

Sherwood is a converted safety known as a good zone cover guy and likely better at man than CJ.  I’m only talking 3rd down passing plays, for example 3rd and 5 or longer.

 

[bostonmajet]

IMO, we need to get to a point where Mosely isn't on the team. He was signed for a different defensive scheme and he isn't fast enough for this scheme. He is also killing us on the cap. I think next year he is releasable. I would love to trade him, but at his price tag I doubt we can move him unless a team, still in the hunt before the deadline is truly needy - and because of his cost, we won't get much just the relief of his salary this year.

The problem is that we don't have anyone else to put in his place. We need to draft at least one LB next year. Imagine how much better our D would be if we had a LB or two like Buffalo has.

[heymangold]

i thought Kwon was lauded for his ability to cover?  why hasn't that been utilized? 

[Untouchable]

I’m not taking Mosley off the field in favor of Jamien Sherwood or Marcell Harris.

[More Cowbell]

2 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Holding the home team to 20 points and getting 4 turnovers is not the time to be banging on the defensive coordinator.

Saleh and Ulbrich's defense did their job yesterday.

The bar certainly is low around here. 

[More Cowbell]

1 hour ago, Greensleeves said:

Exactly. It's like people forget what happened in the game they just watched.

Look, I think 3 of the 4 picks were off of tipped balls which is just being in the right place. I do give credit still because they actually caught the balls but still, it's  not like they read the route and stepped in front of the reciever. And holding a team to 20 means you were average at best. 17 or less is the goal

[#27TheDominator]

12 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

The bar certainly is low around here. 

Dude, they scored 20 points.  Two FGs over 50 yards.  I think one of the TD drives was super short too. 

[More Cowbell]

7 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Dude, they scored 20 points.  Two FGs over 50 yards.  I think one of the TD drives was super short too. 

Pitt sucks on O. Harris is the only player, maybe Smith that is worth a crap. 

[#27TheDominator]

11 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Look, I think 3 of the 4 picks were off of tipped balls which is just being in the right place. I do give credit still because they actually caught the balls but still, it's  not like they read the route and stepped in front of the reciever. And holding a team to 20 means you were average at best. 17 or less is the goal

Who tipped those balls?  17 points or less is a nice goal, but it would put you at 5th overall for 2022.  In 2021, the Bills gave up 17 ppg.  They were #1 by almost a point.  The Jets are improving from the NFL's worst.  I get not praising them like the '85 Bears, but acting like that was not a solid performance is silly.

[#27TheDominator]

2 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Pitt sucks on O. Harris is the only player, maybe Smith that is worth a crap. 

That is interesting because I don't even know who Smith is.  Claypool, Pickens and Freiermuth are the kind of players people around here salivate over and Diontae Johnson is probably better than all of them.  Yes, Pickett is a rookie, but we didn't exactly start a grizzled vet under center.  At least we got them to bench Trubisky.  That's more than the Pats, Bengals or Browns can say. 

[More Cowbell]

18 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Who tipped those balls?  17 points or less is a nice goal, but it would put you at 5th overall for 2022.  In 2021, the Bills gave up 17 ppg.  They were #1 by almost a point.  The Jets are improving from the NFL's worst.  I get not praising them like the '85 Bears, but acting like that was not a solid performance is silly.

That balls were tipped by receivers. The passes were high.