kevinc855 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 McDermott does not seem to want to answer in depth questions about injury. Will not say he will or wont play Sunday. This is something to monitor. If he plays does he play the same, does he hurt himself more? Do they shelve him for a month to get ready for a playoff push. Who knows> Maybe they don't even know https://www.nfl.com/news/bills-coach-sean-mcdermott-well-see-qb-josh-allen-elbow-plays-sunday-vikings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slimjasi Posted November 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2022 I'll go out on a limb and say that he will not play on Sunday and that this will be a pain management situation for the foreseeable future. I wonder if he has a partial tear of the UCL? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I bet he plays 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: McDermott does not seem to want to answer in depth questions about injury. Will not say he will or wont play Sunday. This is something to monitor. If he plays does he play the same, does he hurt himself more? Do they shelve him for a month to get ready for a playoff push. Who knows> Maybe they don't even know https://www.nfl.com/news/bills-coach-sean-mcdermott-well-see-qb-josh-allen-elbow-plays-sunday-vikings If I were to guess Allen is getting multiple opinions. Unless all say surgery he will try and play with it. The silence does suggest that maybe at least one doctor has already recommended surgery 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PS17 Posted November 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2022 The line moved from Buffalo -9 to -3.5 which indicates that he won’t play. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SuicidalSince98 Posted November 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 minute ago, PS17 said: The line moved from Buffalo -9 to -3.5 which indicates that he won’t play. Vegas has us at 5.5 wins on the season 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PS17 Posted November 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2022 Just now, SuicidalSince98 said: Vegas has us at 5.5 wins on the season As Uncle June once said, sharp as a cue ball. 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Vegas has us at 5.5 wins on the season 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 13 minutes ago, PS17 said: The line moved from Buffalo -9 to -3.5 which indicates that he won’t play. Also, the coach not getting into details about the injury makes me wonder if there is a partial tear. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 15 minutes ago, PS17 said: The line moved from Buffalo -9 to -3.5 which indicates that he won’t play. All that indicates is that a large amount of people bet against Buffalo at -9 earlier in the week. Why do people STILL not know how betting lines work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Far from an expert but a 5.5 swing generally means something significant has occurred or is expected. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JETS SB Posted November 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2022 I say bench him. Did you see how terrible he was in the Jets game? And part of the GB game ? He is holding his team back from being a Super Bowl team. He doesn’t have what it takes. Those INTs were inexcusable. Case Keenum deserves an opportunity. 1 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, JetPotato said: All that indicates is that a large amount of people bet against Buffalo at -9 earlier in the week. Why do people STILL not know how betting lines work? Heavy action on Minnesota usually results in a couple points the other direction. Six points? The QB isn’t gonna play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Biggs Posted November 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2022 Tommy John surgery and he'll be pitching for the Yankees in the World series in 2025. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dcat Posted November 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, JETS SB said: I say bench him. Did you see how terrible he was in the Jets game? And part of the GB game ? He is holding his team back from being a Super Bowl team. He doesn’t have what it takes. Those INTs were inexcusable. Case Keenum deserves an opportunity. They need Mike White! Make it happen T0mmy @T0mShane 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 21 minutes ago, PS17 said: As Uncle June once said, sharp as a cue ball. *had, typo, sorry. Point is Vegas doesn’t always know wtf they’re doing. I didn’t realize you weren’t capable of basic deductive reasoning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 30 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Also, the coach not getting into details about the injury makes me wonder if there is a partial tear. Yep, if he was fine they would of said that by now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Doesn’t seem like he will play on Sunday. McDermott actively fielded questions on Case Keenum. Gotta figure that doesn’t happen if they were planning on Allen pushing through and playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Yep, if he was fine they would of said that by now Good point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: Doesn’t seem like he will play on Sunday. McDermott actively fielded questions on Case Keenum. Gotta figure that doesn’t happen if they were planning on Allen pushing through and playing Case Keenum. I like seeing that name as the possible QB of the Bills. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 32EBoozer Posted November 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2022 Now if we can just place Tua on the IR when we play, the division is ours! 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 45 minutes ago, PS17 said: Heavy action on Minnesota usually results in a couple points the other direction. Six points? The QB isn’t gonna play. I promise you, the setting of the line is no reflection of insider information that "Vegas" has. The lines are set by a simple algorithm. They are designed such that the $ number of bets is equal on both sides of the line by the time the game starts. That's all. This is how Vegas makes money. Vegas doesn't bet on games, YOU bet on games, and they take a cut. Maximum revenue is realized by balancing the bets. Bettors may believe that he's not playing, which upsets the balance of bets on a line set before anyone realized he may be hurt, and that moves the line. But there is no direct cause/effect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 49 minutes ago, Biggs said: Tommy John surgery and he'll be pitching for the Yankees in the World series in 2025. Oh stop. The Yankees will lose in the first round. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, JetPotato said: I promise you, the setting of the line is no reflection of insider information that "Vegas" has. The lines are set by a simple algorithm. They are designed such that the $ number of bets is equal on both sides of the line by the time the game starts. That's all. This is how Vegas makes money. Vegas doesn't bet on games, YOU bet on games, and they take a cut. Maximum revenue is realized by balancing the bets. Bettors may believe that he's not playing, which upsets the balance of bets on a line set before anyone realized he may be hurt, and that moves the line. But there is no direct cause/effect. We all get this. But Vegas' model still falls apart if they aren't able to come pretty close most of the time from the predictive side of things. A shift like this happening puts Vegas in a bit of a bind if Allen ends up playing. They may be purely reacting to betting trends but a 6-point shift is still a massive one unless Allen's ability to play (or at least play at a high level) is in serious doubt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: We all get this. But Vegas' model still falls apart if they aren't able to come pretty close most of the time from the predictive side of things. A shift like this happening puts Vegas in a bit of a bind if Allen ends up playing. They may be purely reacting to betting trends but a 6-point shift is still a massive one unless Allen's ability to play (or at least play at a high level) is in serious doubt. Again, Vegas does not care if Allen plays or not, as long as all the bets are equal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungaman Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: I'll go out on a limb ... How inappropriate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defensedoesntgetyoulaid Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, kevinc855 said: does he play the same I ******* hope not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Bust. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Vegas has us at 5.5 wins on the season I don’t think you can get that line anymore. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, PS17 said: The line moved from Buffalo -9 to -3.5 which indicates that he won’t play. Wow. That much? Case Keenum is a top-quality backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 27 minutes ago, JetPotato said: Again, Vegas does not care if Allen plays or not, as long as all the bets are equal. Sure, but this reflects that the money is on him not playing, thus the change. While Vegas does not care, it is still useful data. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Imagine they play him and he fully tears a UCL. Sheesh! There would be hell to pay in Buffalo. They'd be very, very smart to take it slow with this guy. He is the franchise as much as any single player is to any other team. Maybe Mahomes, but Josh Allen IS the Buffalo Bills. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted November 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2022 When you’re waiting for more information, it usually means that you don’t like the information you have. I’d guess that they’re in their exploring their options phase. Can Allen play? What are the risks of further injury? Can it heal in a reasonable amount of time? I would understand everyone -probably especially Josh- wanting him to play, but you have to think that this is a player they need to protect. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, JetPotato said: Again, Vegas does not care if Allen plays or not, as long as all the bets are equal. OK, but moving the line that far (IE the public expects Allen NOT to play, thus influencing the spread) only for Allen to end up playing (say, with the announcement coming on Friday), and for money to be placed on Buffalo late in the game as a result, is a good way to ensure that the bets will NOT be equal and they stand to lose a bunch of money. There's predictive information in there regardless of the factors at play. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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