BCJet Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Before I explain, please note this is predicated on us missing out on both Alt and Fashanu. If we are able to get either of those guys, that should probably be the pick. That being said I believe both will be gone and putting AVT at LT is the best move overall for a lot of reasons. 1. After Alt and Fashanu the next 5 or so OT prospects are either strictly RTs or very inexperienced to start day 1 on a Rogers led team. 2. There isnt much of a gap between these RT prospects so it gives us a lot of flexibility to move down or select a WR if we want. 3. There are no LT's available in free agency unless you want to risk Baktiari or over pay Jonah Williams and move him back to the left side. 4. Guards are infinitely easier to find in the draft and in free agency. 5. We know that AVT can handle the position, at least for a season. I understand that AVT has some physical limitations that will likely keep him from being an elite LT. I also understand that the team moving him around so much probably contributed to his injuries and we need to stop doing that, but if we let him prepare all off season to play LT, I think he can easily hold down the spot for 2024 and then either stay there long term if he does very well or we can address LT in 2025 draft/FA or even take a LT prospect in the middle rounds and hope to develop them into a contributor in 2025 and beyond. What this really does though is it allows JD to have flexibility in the draft, possibly recoup a pick and maybe build the interior of the OL with an elite player rather then forcing us to "reach" on a LT prospect that may not have the ceiling of an elite professional player. Which of these groups would people prefer? Rookie LT (possibly playing on the left for the first time) FA Guard Tippman AVT Carter Warren Or this group after a trade down to acquire a 2nd round pick: AVT FA Guard Tippman Troy Fautanu/Graham Barton/Zach Zinter (one of these guys would be selected later in the first or early 2nd) Carter Warren Along with the ability to take someone like JJ McCarthy to sit behind Rogers for a season. Is that not significantly better for the organization in the long run? The trade down scenario also allows us to possibly take a center prospect and play them or tippman at guard. This is somewhat of an atypical plan but the saints actually did it when the took Cesar Ruiz from Michigan even though they had Eric McCoy at center. Ruiz has played RG almost his entire career and serves as insurance at center which is an added plus that this scenario allows for. There also seems to be a very low bust rate lately on centers while also providing value in the 2nd round. Tippman, Creed Humphrey, and McCoy were all second round picks who have solidified the position for their teams. I get that a franchise LT is a great find and really helps an offense but its just so rare to find these guys outside of the top 5 or so (this draft notwithstanding as one of the 2 will probably last until 7 or so) that its simply not worth reaching when we already have a "mid tier LT" on our roster. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post HighPitch Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 Avt is the likeable thinner Becton always hurt cant rely on him jets would be wise to pretend he doesnt exist and an accordingly 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Resign McGovern. Let him play C. Have Tipp and AVT at Guard. Draft a T. Let Warren or whatever other FA play the other spot. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I agree he may be slotted there if they can’t find anyone in FA to go there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 47 minutes ago, BCJet said: Before I explain, please note this is predicated on us missing out on both Alt and Fashanu. If we are able to get either of those guys, that should probably be the pick. That being said I believe both will be gone and putting AVT at LT is the best move overall for a lot of reasons. 1. After Alt and Fashanu the next 5 or so OT prospects are either strictly RTs or very inexperienced to start day 1 on a Rogers led team. 2. There isnt much of a gap between these RT prospects so it gives us a lot of flexibility to move down or select a WR if we want. 3. There are no LT's available in free agency unless you want to risk Baktiari or over pay Jonah Williams and move him back to the left side. 4. Guards are infinitely easier to find in the draft and in free agency. 5. We know that AVT can handle the position, at least for a season. I understand that AVT has some physical limitations that will likely keep him from being an elite LT. I also understand that the team moving him around so much probably contributed to his injuries and we need to stop doing that, but if we let him prepare all off season to play LT, I think he can easily hold down the spot for 2024 and then either stay there long term if he does very well or we can address LT in 2025 draft/FA or even take a LT prospect in the middle rounds and hope to develop them into a contributor in 2025 and beyond. What this really does though is it allows JD to have flexibility in the draft, possibly recoup a pick and maybe build the interior of the OL with an elite player rather then forcing us to "reach" on a LT prospect that may not have the ceiling of an elite professional player. Which of these groups would people prefer? Rookie LT (possibly playing on the left for the first time) FA Guard Tippman AVT Carter Warren Or this group after a trade down to acquire a 2nd round pick: AVT FA Guard Tippman Troy Fautanu/Graham Barton/Zach Zinter (one of these guys would be selected later in the first or early 2nd) Carter Warren Along with the ability to take someone like JJ McCarthy to sit behind Rogers for a season. Is that not significantly better for the organization in the long run? The trade down scenario also allows us to possibly take a center prospect and play them or tippman at guard. This is somewhat of an atypical plan but the saints actually did it when the took Cesar Ruiz from Michigan even though they had Eric McCoy at center. Ruiz has played RG almost his entire career and serves as insurance at center which is an added plus that this scenario allows for. There also seems to be a very low bust rate lately on centers while also providing value in the 2nd round. Tippman, Creed Humphrey, and McCoy were all second round picks who have solidified the position for their teams. I get that a franchise LT is a great find and really helps an offense but its just so rare to find these guys outside of the top 5 or so (this draft notwithstanding as one of the 2 will probably last until 7 or so) that its simply not worth reaching when we already have a "mid tier LT" on our roster. How about drafting penix and worrying so much about left tackle. I think I would leave AVT at left guard and then get one of the free agent tackles to hold down the spot for three seasons or so. Draft a right tackle or top guard and wr. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 He may not be ready for week 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, rangerous said: How about drafting penix and worrying so much about left tackle. I think I would leave AVT at left guard and then get one of the free agent tackles to hold down the spot for three seasons or so. Draft a right tackle or top guard and wr. who's the free agency left tackle you're targeting and why do they want to play for keith carter on the met life turf? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I have no problem with this. AVT has excelled no matter where he’s been Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSOJ Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 He is a better guard then T. he should be LG and stay there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, BigRy56 said: I have no problem with this. AVT has excelled no matter where he’s been yea except he can't stay healthy so we can't depend on him being anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sperm Edwards Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 6 minutes ago, Matt39 said: He may not be ready for week 1. Yeah well that's what they said about Duane Brown, smart guy. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntoTheGreen Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Like others have said, we can't rely on him for week one and therefore he can't get the chemistry. Not to mention Every time he slides to OT he suffers a season ending injury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Terrible plan. Until further notice AVT is injury prone and shouldn't be relied upon to fill such an important position. At this point in time they should plan on AVT not being available next year and make plans based on that assumption 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 AVT has one leg, he’s closer to the knackers yard than Left Tackle. knacker's yard noun BRITISH unpunctuated: knackers yard DATED a place where old or injured animals are taken to be slaughtered. a state or condition of being discarded or rejected as no longer useful or required. "in 1989, the firm was ready for the knacker's yard" 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Unless an Adams or a Mike Evans or a Tee Higgins comes here, I think we're going Weaponz in Round 1 and hoping a knowledgable QB who can set the protections (with a decent C) and get rid of the ball faster will upgrade the line play... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 14 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: AVT has one leg, he’s closer to the knackers yard than Left Tackle. knacker's yard noun BRITISH unpunctuated: knackers yard DATED a place where old or injured animals are taken to be slaughtered. a state or condition of being discarded or rejected as no longer useful or required. "in 1989, the firm was ready for the knacker's yard" I like just about everything about this post. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Was he injured playing OT both times? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 49 minutes ago, Matt39 said: He may not be ready for week 1. he said he had a different kind of achilles injury. didn't sound promising to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncjetman Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 avt can play tackle - but should he? there’s a reason he was slotted at guard when he entered the draft - can’t prove it but i bet he stays healthy if left at guard - we have such a problem at tackle but i don’t think we he’s the right guy to play thereSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 LT for AVT makes sense to me as well. Like all of our oline though you better have a good backup plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said: Resign McGovern. Let him play C. Have Tipp and AVT at Guard. Draft a T. Let Warren or whatever other FA play the other spot. This could work, but I'd rather have Tipp at C and McGovern at G - although I think better G's can be had in free agency. Also, don't rule out the Jets drafting a C. It is a deep C draft and having Tipp and the C compete for who plays C and who plays G. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 55 minutes ago, AZSOJ said: He is a better guard then T. he should be LG and stay there. The injury history and this past one (I didnt know he might not be ready week 1) are valid concerns but the fact that he is a better guard the tackle really isnt valid to me because OL is a sum of the parts exercise. AVT may be a better guard but if the LT is much worse then it really doesnt matter. My point is that its easier to upgrade IOL at the current time then it is LT so why not reduce the margin for error and simply put him at LT and build the other spots where you CAN find an elite player in the late first or second round? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Matt39 said: He may not be ready for week 1. Exactly. No way you can ever count on him after 2 consecutive years of being lost for the season. Also, his arms are too short to play Tackle exclusively. As an emergency stop gap, ok, but with these injuries, they should keep him at LG for good. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said: Resign McGovern. Let him play C. Have Tipp and AVT at Guard. Draft a T. Let Warren or whatever other FA play the other spot. Cushenberry might be a better signing at C. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilfieldJet Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 34 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: knacker's yard noun BRITISH unpunctuated: knackers yard DATED a place where old or injured animals are taken to be slaughtered. a state or condition of being discarded or rejected as no longer useful or required. "in 1989, the firm was ready for the knacker's yard" AKA, the Jet's Practice Squad. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 AVT is a freak. but tearing up an Achilles probably means that he’d be “safer” playing at guard. ps, The Warren kid did a decent job at RT. Just pointing it out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 17 minutes ago, Claymation said: Cushenberry might be a better signing at C. Yeah. Whoever. Just think it’d be stronger with those two at guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Everyone that's bailing on all prospects not named alt or fashanu in early January, I don't get you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 6 minutes ago, Sammybighead said: Everyone that's bailing on all prospects not named alt or fashanu in early January, I don't get you. what other LT prospects are you looking at? The rest of the guys projected for the first round are RT and some of them are projected to move inside in the NFL. I'm not excited about the idea of relying on a 3rd round or later rookie to protect Rodgers blind side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFlyer Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 our LT situation better be settled way before we find out when AVT will be in game shape and ready to play again in the NFL... anything at all from AVT next year is gravy.. this org better know tis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmhertz Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Pro Bowler Amon-Ra St. Brown was one of the players available for one of threes, that we gave up for that oft injured guard that doesn't have the body type tackle regularly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, peekskill68 said: Unless an Adams or a Mike Evans or a Tee Higgins comes here, I think we're going Weaponz in Round 1 and hoping a knowledgable QB who can set the protections (with a decent C) and get rid of the ball faster will upgrade the line play... I think it's a virtual lock that we take online. We have 1 starting lineman who is with a sh*t. Tippman....that's it. AVT is broken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, HighPitch said: Avt is the likeable thinner Becton always hurt cant rely on him jets would be wise to pretend he doesnt exist and an accordingly He’s the perfect guy to cover the entire OL as a backup but given how there’s no starters, he won’t be in that role. The perfect 6th OL on a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 whether it’s LT or RT, AVT should be a starting tackle next year. G’s are easier to find IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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