HoustonJet Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Admittedly was not a big fan of that pick, a tad undersized but very talented...and my favorite stat - he leads the Jets in tackles with 11, quick to ball and just a solid player, great find by Bowles and Maccagnan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Saw Bowles chew him out on the sideline last night. Any thoughts on what happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge4Tide Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 The best thing about Maccagnan / Bowles draft strategy is they seem to do good job going after players that fit their scheme. Lee is a perfect scheme fit, Forte wasn't a draft pick of course, but he's a great scheme fit, Fitzpatrick too, obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 8 minutes ago, HoustonJet said: Admittedly was not a big fan of that pick, a tad undersized but very talented...and my favorite stat - he leads the Jets in tackles with 11, quick to ball and just a solid player, great find by Bowles and Maccagnan. I was very disappointed in his lack of effort in that Gillislee TD. He had a clear shot but gave a half ass effort. Outside of that, he was pretty quick and solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 one word.. Speed cheers ~ ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadetree Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Love his acceleration in the open field and love his acceleration through the tackle. he really did deliver a blow on that Tyrod sack. Lucky because he was close to one of these new cam Newton head shots that they're gonna start calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 21 hours ago, HoustonJet said: Admittedly was not a big fan of that pick, a tad undersized but very talented...and my favorite stat - he leads the Jets in tackles with 11, quick to ball and just a solid player, great find by Bowles and Maccagnan. Im starting to think that Lee isnt undersized. Thats the size (and athleticism) of this generation of middle linebacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 21 hours ago, HoustonJet said: Admittedly was not a big fan of that pick, a tad undersized but very talented...and my favorite stat - he leads the Jets in tackles with 11, quick to ball and just a solid player, great find by Bowles and Maccagnan. Tackles as a stat can be misleading. Can mean team run at him rather than better defenders on the other side of the defense. Better to make the tackle than not, but might not mean he's a good player,merely competent. The Raiders had an LB named Greg Biekert who was among the NFL leaders in tackles year after year, but wasn't thought to be all pro or anything. Lee looked totally lost and out of position several times. The one big tackle he had for a loss was on a play when the DL collapsed the Bills' OL and Lee was the recipient of good fortune of being the last guy there rather than making a great play. On the 2 immediate prior plays he was totally lost. Not saying he's a bust, though did say it during the game. Speed is nice, his size is a major ?,remains to be seen if he is sharp enough to overcome his lack of size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 21 hours ago, munchmemory said: Saw Bowles chew him out on the sideline last night. Any thoughts on what happened? I noticed that. It was after the bills TD in the prevent. Not sure what Lee did wrong but Bowles didn't like his answer at all. I'm sure they will have a chat, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 I hope win4ever gives us a nice gif of his TFL, that was amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLO Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Yesterday I was wondering about the same thing with Bowles chewing him out - apparently he whiffed on a tackle for the Bills last TD, haven't looked at the replay to confirm, but that would fit. Bowles was p*ssed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadetree Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 9 minutes ago, Bugg said: Tackles as a stat can be misleading. Can mean team run at him rather than better defenders on the other side of the defense. Better to make the tackle than not, but might not mean he's a good player,merely competent. The Raiders had an LB named Greg Biekert who was among the NFL leaders in tackles year after year, but wasn't thought to be all pro or anything. Lee looked totally lost and out of position several times. The one big tackle he had for a loss was on a play when the DL collapsed the Bills' OL and Lee was the recipient of good fortune of being the last guy there rather than making a great play. On the 2 immediate prior plays he was totally lost. Not saying he's a bust, though did say it during the game. Speed is nice, his size is a major ?,remains to be seen if he is sharp enough to overcome his lack of size. Good point. I hope it all starts clicking. He has major upside with that speed for a LB. im starting to worry what you said about Lee, might be coming true for Mauldin somewhat. He doesn't appear, early on, to have progressed. Draft position was, of course, different and it's still early, but Mauldin needs to make up for what he lacks physically and I'm just not feeling it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 1 minute ago, Shadetree said: Good point. I hope it all starts clicking. He has major upside with that speed for a LB. im starting to worry what you said about Lee, might be coming true for Mauldin somewhat. He doesn't appear, early on, to have progressed. Draft position was, of course, different and it's still early, but Mauldin needs to make up for what he lacks physically and I'm just not feeling it. Mauldin just doesn't really work with what we need to be doing on defense right now. With Wilkerson, Richardson, Williams, McClendon plus depth, the Jets can consistently field a line of four 300-pounders who can play the run on their way to the quarterback, and the secondary sucks sh*t, so we really only need run and chase linebackers and want to be playing nickel pretty much always. We finally have some semblance of a rounded 3-4 linebacking corps and nothing to do with it. Mauldin, Harris, Jenkins, etc. are basically useless but Lee is a perfect fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 16 minutes ago, Shadetree said: Good point. I hope it all starts clicking. He has major upside with that speed for a LB. im starting to worry what you said about Lee, might be coming true for Mauldin somewhat. He doesn't appear, early on, to have progressed. Draft position was, of course, different and it's still early, but Mauldin needs to make up for what he lacks physically and I'm just not feeling it. If it ain't broke don't fix it. HC had him put some weight on this year and now he's slower...go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Lee's going to be an exciting player for this defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 IMO, Lee is what was advertised. He's a really fast clean-up guy who is fairly useless when the play is run right at him. I think, because of what we have on the DL, you'll make that trade. It was heartwarming to see our LBs chase McCoy parallel to the LOS without falling down for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 14 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: Mauldin just doesn't really work with what we need to be doing on defense right now. With Wilkerson, Richardson, Williams, McClendon plus depth, the Jets can consistently field a line of four 300-pounders who can play the run on their way to the quarterback, and the secondary sucks sh*t, so we really only need run and chase linebackers and want to be playing nickel pretty much always. We finally have some semblance of a rounded 3-4 linebacking corps and nothing to do with it. Mauldin, Harris, Jenkins, etc. are basically useless but Lee is a perfect fit. They're playing the undrafted MSU kid over Mauldin now. He'll be gone next year if he even makes it through this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 When we drafted him, I thought he was too small to be effective at this level. Two games in and I can see that his strengths outweigh his "TinyLB" status. Love what this kid brings to the table. Happy to be wrong! #holdmecloser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 23 minutes ago, Matt39 said: They're playing the undrafted MSU kid over Mauldin now. He'll be gone next year if he even makes it through this year. Yeah, Mauldin's another one people got excited about too soon. He lacks the elite athleticism of a starting 3-4 OLB, his ceiling was unfortunately limited by that, and it seems like he's gone backwards. The guy I want to know more about is Jenkins. Has he played and how does he look? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Just now, SenorGato said: Yeah, Mauldin's another one people got excited about too soon. He lacks the elite athleticism of a starting 3-4 OLB, his ceiling was unfortunately limited by that, and it seems like he's gone backwards. The guy I want to know more about is Jenkins. Has he played and how does he look? Been out with a calf injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebuzzardman Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 I think a lot of those tackles are players tripping over him, because he so tiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 3 hours ago, SenorGato said: Yeah, Mauldin's another one people got excited about too soon. He lacks the elite athleticism of a starting 3-4 OLB, his ceiling was unfortunately limited by that, and it seems like he's gone backwards. The guy I want to know more about is Jenkins. Has he played and how does he look? It was strange that they made a guy who was already heavy footed gain weight. Now Mauldin is even slower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 On 9/16/2016 at 2:32 PM, Sarge4Tide said: The best thing about Maccagnan / Bowles draft strategy is they seem to do good job going after players that fit their scheme. Lee is a perfect scheme fit, Forte wasn't a draft pick of course, but he's a great scheme fit, Fitzpatrick too, obviously This is the key Mac and Bowles are not just picking players but building a coherent team. Oh and Bowles chewing that young man out is a good thing, a very good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 4 hours ago, Matt39 said: They're playing the undrafted MSU kid over Mauldin now. He'll be gone next year if he even makes it through this year. Mauldin had a sack last week against the Bengals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 3 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: Mauldin had a sack last week against the Bengals I was thinking the same thing. I also noticed a couple of plays where he was stinging plays out. I see no reason to write him off yet. I'm amazed at how quickly that happened on here actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 7 hours ago, thebuzzardman said: I think a lot of those tackles are players tripping over him, because he so tiny. I would like you to call him TINY right to him. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Everything said about him so far is true to some degree, both on the positive and negative side. I lean towards seeing more promise than bust at this point, because he's making as many plays as he's missing and he's flashed at times. And he has literally had one camp and two games. He should be a trainwreck. Like Pryor was early on. Like winters was early on. Like most rookies are early on. But he's not a trainwreck. He's just not very good yet. But he's certainly ahead of the curve for a rookie if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 On September 16, 2016 at 2:28 PM, HoustonJet said: Admittedly was not a big fan of that pick, a tad undersized but very talented...and my favorite stat - he leads the Jets in tackles with 11, quick to ball and just a solid player, great find by Bowles and Maccagnan. Not knocking Mac, but he wasn't really a find. Everyone knew he was a great player except a few knuckleheads on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win4ever Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 13 hours ago, Larz said: I hope win4ever gives us a nice gif of his TFL, that was amazing In the process of writing up the offensive film review for tomorrow morning, but I did read this, so here you go, lol. There is another one that I thought was more impressive, but he doesn't get credit for because I believe Wilkerson made the tackle. The one where he shot the gap and made the tackle, the Bills didn't really prepare for him, as they were running away from him, so he showed some impressive closing speed. That kind of tackle is pretty impressive, and he has a penchant of doing that somewhat often. http://www.jetnation.com/2016/08/17/weapons-check-darron-lee-preseason-week-1/#sthash.6nVcKldN.E1VI0Pia.dpbs This is an earlier weapons check on him from the preseason, and Play 4 is a very similar play. The second play shown here is more impressive to me, because the Bills have a lineman account for Lee. Infact, from what I could tell, Lee occupies the cutback lane for McCoy to run forward, but Lee blows it up with his speed, breaking down the entire play. McCoy is forced to go outside, where there is a crowd waiting for him, and he loses yardage. I thought this was more impressive because the Bills already have someone there to take care of Lee, and he just flat out beats him with speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 6 hours ago, win4ever said: thanks ! I noticed the bills sent a guy in motion to that side. not a great idea, revis is a good tackler, lol. the first gif didn't work for me, can you imbed it again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Some critics of the pick said he was too skinny and would get pushed around but not true. He can handle things and so far looks like he's going to make plays for us. Plus he'll put on some weight as he gets older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 That 2nd play was on Incognito. That was as bad as the Revis TD, he smoked him, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 13 minutes ago, Jet9 said: That 2nd play was on Incognito. That was as bad as the Revis TD, he smoked him, lol. Yea, 64 is still in his stance as Lee is running around him, an "oh shix" moment for Richie also it looked like Lee read the play, he sides steps before the snap then runs through the line Thanks to win4ever for the gifs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be_a_Jet Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 I loved the pick. Thought he was perfect fit. "Fit" being the operative word. He lacks ideal size but he's not small. We got enough big guys, our whole line is a bunch of DT's. Good example of building a team - hats off to Mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 He was out there in big spots. That is encouraging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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