#27TheDominator Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 34 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: The fact that you had to attend "some" universities lets me know that you had trouble "fitting in". That you majored in English Lit, makes me giggle. Giggle? You majored in English Lit too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I think the key to 2017 will be the defense. It has to be better. It was the key reason for our downfall last season. Adams looks like he'll be a good player. We no longer have Revis who was a minus on the team last season. There were smaller moves that could add to cohesion and the team for a change playing together on D. We have good players on defense it's a matter of a good game plan and guys who can stay within that game plan. If the team again sucks on defense then you have to blame the head coach who is a D specialist. I expect McCown to be the Qb starter and if healthy he's a good Qb. Forget about negative losing stats he's mostly been on poorer teams. This team could be a lot like 2015 with a vet Qb who has a good year etc. We don't have Brandon Marshall and only inexperienced receivers. That's a big difference. He was our best player in 2015. But we should get more from the tight end position esp if the new OC decides to use the tight end as a receiver in the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, slats said: Three practices in and this is not a concern of mine. If Hackenberg continues to outplay McCown and this is still the rotation next week, it will become a concern of mine. The PS games are all that matters. I don't expect a decision until after the 2nd game. Then I expect the starter to get all of the reps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Jackie Treehorn said: This is not good at all. What if Jets get a top 3 draft spot dispite Hack having a great year? What to do then? Please tell me this is a joke? I am baffled and speechless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 3 hours ago, Augustiniak said: this is what happens when you don't draft cbs Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 31 minutes ago, dbatesman said: It stopped for a few hours this afternoon, but it's back now. If you need some motivation to get it fixed, @Maxman, bear in mind that every time I get redirected, it deprives the site of my various witty remarks @Jet Nut @dbatesman there is a thread in the feedback forum with more info. I was told a little while ago that this issue is fixed. Either way please comment in there and let me know when you can. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 20 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Giggle? You majored in English Lit too? C Lit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 hours ago, RoadFan said: Point taken. And I agree about "young and hungry." But the Browns went young and hungry last season, and rightfully so, but they went 1-15. As for "living a little?" I intend to! I will be spending far more fall Sundays out fishing instead of watching this bad team win 2 to 4 games. Perhaps, you should find something better to do than watch the Jets on some of your Sundays. A lousy day fishing is better than watching a hopeless Jets team... 10% of the fisherman catch 90% of the fish...and watch the game too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: I think the key to 2017 will be the defense. It has to be better. It was the key reason for our downfall last season. Adams looks like he'll be a good player. We no longer have Revis who was a minus on the team last season. There were smaller moves that could add to cohesion and the team for a change playing together on D. We have good players on defense it's a matter of a good game plan and guys who can stay within that game plan. If the team again sucks on defense then you have to blame the head coach who is a D specialist. I expect McCown to be the Qb starter and if healthy he's a good Qb. Forget about negative losing stats he's mostly been on poorer teams. This team could be a lot like 2015 with a vet Qb who has a good year etc. We don't have Brandon Marshall and only inexperienced receivers. That's a big difference. He was our best player in 2015. But we should get more from the tight end position esp if the new OC decides to use the tight end as a receiver in the offense. Yep still striving for mediocrity as you stated before. No. No more. The problem with our team last year was that Fitzsucktrick sucked very large moose cock last year. No more veteran losers ruining this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joejet Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: I majored in English literature at some of the finest universities on the east coast. There is no irony there. Why multiple universities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 hours ago, JiF said: I'M HAVING A HACK ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have a boner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, Joejet said: Why multiple universities? Long story short: a string of murders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 21 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: I think the key to 2017 will be the defense. It has to be better. It was the key reason for our downfall last season. Adams looks like he'll be a good player. We no longer have Revis who was a minus on the team last season. There were smaller moves that could add to cohesion and the team for a change playing together on D. We have good players on defense it's a matter of a good game plan and guys who can stay within that game plan. If the team again sucks on defense then you have to blame the head coach who is a D specialist. I expect McCown to be the Qb starter and if healthy he's a good Qb. Forget about negative losing stats he's mostly been on poorer teams. This team could be a lot like 2015 with a vet Qb who has a good year etc. We don't have Brandon Marshall and only inexperienced receivers. That's a big difference. He was our best player in 2015. But we should get more from the tight end position esp if the new OC decides to use the tight end as a receiver in the offense. LOLZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joejet Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 50 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: @Maxman is this adware needs to be blocked, it comes up on every other click on my iPad. Anyone else dealing with this? Unfortunately I am! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen X Jet Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 How's Darron Flea look? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 50 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Your giddy schoolgirl enthusiasm does seem somewhat dampened, though. Hackenberg has come home with a nice clean diaper three days in a row. This invalidates my entire worldview and leaves me fearing that I no longer have a place here, On Line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Cimini's Training Camp Tid Bits: Rich Cimini ESPN Staff Writer Overheard at Jets camp: When Morris Claiborne signed in the offseason, he requested the number he wore during his five seasons in Dallas -- 24. He was told it wasn't available; it belonged to Darrelle Revis and there's a chance they will retire 24 down the road. Claiborne was cool with that. "I understand the history behind that number," he said. He ended up with 21. In 2013, when they traded Revis to the Bucs, the Jets showed him no such love. They gave 24 to a no-name running back who got cut in camp. Darius Raynaud was a WR not a RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: In between the tweets hyperventilating about Hackenberg throwing seven-yard dumpoffs, you'll note other enlightened (though muted) tweets about how he's not getting the ball out in time and how the defense destroyed the offense every time they've lined up. You're being played. I understand the impulse in fans and the beat guys to want him to succeed, but you dudes are wayyyyyyyyy out over your skis. You just spent two days locked in an onanistic fervor because Cimini hasn't mentioned "footwork" yet. Bunch of peeps been out over their ski's. somebody's gonna crash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Walrus Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Don't make this complicated, just hand the starting job to whoever looks the best, no matter their experience. There's an argument that you don't play Hack in the first 2 games of the regular season cause they are on the road. What rubbish IMO. Expectations are low, so give the guy (if he wins the pre season QB battle) the starting job right from the opener and let him get experience. If he wins it's exciting, if he loses it was expected. I don't always buy into this argument that confidence and careers are ruined because someone was put in too early. If they truly are good/great they will learn and recover. Eg. Aikman's early days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 hours ago, flgreen said: No he shouldn't the game plan should be to get the future the reps before time runs iout on Hack. If the Jets have an early pick this year it will be a QB. Hack won't get a chance. McCown is not the future, it's just stupid starting him McCown will start the first 3, or 4 games and Hackenberg will make his debut against Jags, or Browns. This will give the offense time to get sorted out. I know McCown is not the future, but he plays the role of easing Hackenberg into the lineup as opposed to throwing him to the wolves. Getting Hackenberg started the right way will be important to his long term development. Of course I'm not ruling out Hack starting the season if he's outstanding in camp, but I believe the above at this point is the most likely scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 If hack's made this kind of progress -- AND we've fleeced the roster of vets/talent -- then for fck sakes lets see Hackenberg start 16 games. Fck it. Lets just do it and be wholly done with it come next offseason... I don't think his performance (outside of a 10-6+ record) will stop us from drafting a top QB next year. May as well know what we have utterly and completely. He may be good enough that the new kid in '18 has to earn his way into a starting role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said: McCown will start the first 3, or 4 games and Hackenberg will make his debut against Jags, or Browns. This will give the offense time to get sorted out. I know McCown is not the future, but he plays the role of easing Hackenberg into the lineup as opposed to throwing him to the wolves. Getting Hackenberg started the right way will be important to his long term development. This makes it sound like he's a rookie. But he's not. Lots of guys started their rookie years and came out okay. In recent years we've seen Winston, Mariota, Prescott and Carr all start either the first game or very early in their rookie seasons and none of them seem worse for the experience. Hack is a second year player. If you have to coddle him in, then something doesn't feel right about that. Maybe he legitimately needs the coddling, but let's not pretend that's SOP anymore in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 We are three practices away from Tomshane drawing a connection between Hackenberg and PutinSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said: McCown will start the first 3, or 4 games and Hackenberg will make his debut against Jags, or Browns. This will give the offense time to get sorted out. I know McCown is not the future, but he plays the role of easing Hackenberg into the lineup as opposed to throwing him to the wolves. Getting Hackenberg started the right way will be important to his long term development. I will never understand this line of thinking. The team is in rebuild / tank mode. You let hack get as many snaps as possible and find out if he's a player or not. No point in putting him in after the season is 'lost'. I don't want to hear any best chance to win bs either. You know who gives this team the best chance to win? Decker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Just now, nycdan said: This makes it sound like he's a rookie. But he's not. Lots of guys started their rookie years and came out okay. In recent years we've seen Winston, Mariota, Prescott and Carr all start either the first game or very early in their rookie seasons and none of them seem worse for the experience. Hack is a second year player. If you have to coddle him in, then something doesn't feel right about that. Maybe he legitimately needs the coddling, but let's not pretend that's SOP anymore in the NFL. I don't disagree with your statement, but the Jets are so young and inexperienced, they don't want to put their potential future QB out there while their offense is finding themselves. Winston, Mariota, Prescott and Carr were on better more experienced teams than what Hackenberg is walking into, so I think they're going to let the offense gel, then put him out there against Jacksonville and the Browns, before he faces the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 3 hours ago, C Mart said: Life with an inexperienced quarterback: The Jets' Christian Hackenberg was pulled out of a 7-on-7 period because he messed up a play at the line of scrimmage. Minutes later, he returned and hit Deshon Foxx on a skinny post, threading the ball between two defenders for a long touchdown. Rich Cimini, ESPN Staff Writer This is great news. Could not ask for better if you ask me. In no way should anyone expect the kid to be perfect, he is, for all intensive purposes, a rookie QB because he was sheltered like a little kid last year - maybe rightfully so, but who really knows. I still say he would have only benefitted from preparing and starting week 17 last season, but what do I know. It is only a couple of days, but doesn't it feel as though the tone of everything surrounding Hackenberg has suddenly changed? No passes hitting reporters in camp eh? LOL. Good for the kid, I am rooting BIG TIME for him to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, LionelRichie said: I will never understand this line of thinking. The team is in rebuild / tank mode. You let hack get as many snaps as possible and find out if he's a player or not. No point in putting him in after the season is 'lost'. And playing a dozen games won't tell if he's a player? The Jets are thinking long term, so unless the offense really comes together and Hackenberg shows he belongs I expect him to start vs. the Jags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Sarge4Tide said: Kid from the Beastie Boys with the photo bomb You mean 51 year old Mike D? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said: I don't disagree with your statement, but the Jets are so young and inexperienced, they don't want to put their potential future QB out there while their offense is finding themselves. Winston, Mariota, Prescott and Carr were on better more experienced teams than what Hackenberg is walking into, so I think they're going to let the offense gel, then put him out there against Jacksonville and the Browns, before he faces the Pats. I had to look back and check but I can't see that the Titans 2015 depth chart on Offense was any better than what we're putting out now. And the 2014 Raiders (pre-Cooper) didn't have any great names at WR or TE either. And again, those were true rookies. I appreciate where you're coming from...I just don't agree but that's cool. It's a fair point to debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 14 minutes ago, RSJ said: We are three practices away from Tomshane drawing a connection between Hackenberg and Putin And then murdering both, if his university career is any indication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, nycdan said: I had to look back and check but I can't see that the Titans 2015 depth chart on Offense was any better than what we're putting out now. And the 2014 Raiders (pre-Cooper) didn't have any great names at WR or TE either. And again, those were true rookies. I appreciate where you're coming from...I just don't agree but that's cool. It's a fair point to debate. No one would be happier than me if the offense and OL look good in training camp and we drop Hackenberg in there game 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 23 minutes ago, Paradis said: If hack's made this kind of progress -- AND we've fleeced the roster of vets/talent -- then for fck sakes lets see Hackenberg start 16 games. Fck it. Lets just do it and be wholly done with it come next offseason... I don't think his performance (outside of a 10-6+ record) will stop us from drafting a top QB next year. May as well know what we have utterly and completely. He may be good enough that the new kid in '18 has to earn his way into a starting role. This is the only part I somewhat disagree with. A Derek Carr-esque rookie year will have me on cloud nine. I just think a TON of different things need to happen for 10-6 to be realistic and I don't think we'll hold it against Hack should he put up Carr numbers but we only win 4-6 games. That said, I think the defense will be enough to keep us in a ton of games and if you combine that with Carr's 1st year numbers I don't think 7 wins are all that crazy. I won't dare to dream more than that just yet lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said: No one would be happier than me if the offense and OL look good in training camp and we drop Hackenberg in there game 1. I'd be right there. Almost as happy as Leo DiCaprio when he first found out he'd be doing sex scenes with Margo Robbie and getting paid millions for it. Talk about a good gig... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 This is the only part I somewhat disagree with. A Derek Carr-esque rookie year will have me on cloud nine. I just think a TON of different things need to happen for 10-6 to be realistic and I don't think we'll hold it against Hack should he put up Carr numbers but we only win 4-6 games. That said, I think the defense will be enough to keep us in a ton of games and if you combine that with Carr's 1st year numbers I don't think 7 wins are all that crazy. I won't dare to dream more than that just yet lol. You're right, but I picked 10-6 to illustrate a point - that being success to the point of needing to reconsider what we have. We can't afford to opt out of next year's qb class because someone "flashed". Not this time. It would need to be definitive ala Hack is single handedly the reason we're winning games. Not like Mark ridding the defense and Braylon/Holmes. Better to have 2 QBs than none Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 24 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said: And playing a dozen games won't tell if he's a player? The Jets are thinking long term, so unless the offense really comes together and Hackenberg shows he belongs I expect him to start vs. the Jags. Again, this makes no sense. So according to you it's better to go into a season planning to lose than giving a 2nd yr, 2nd rd pick a chance to be the guy? Organizations just don't function this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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