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  1. 1. Who do you want?

    • Baker Mayfield
      96
    • Sam Darnold
      83


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8 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Adjusted to the challenge?

He threw what would’ve been a game ending INT in the end zone during OT if the guy would’ve kept a foot in bounds.

Mayfield looked like a totally different player in the 2nd half than he did in the 1st.

If people are fans of the guy, that’s fine. But suddenly trying to say that he’s better than Darnold is f*cking ludicrous.

Who the hell was talking about Mayfield as a potential Top 3 pick back in December, or a 1st round pick period? Even during the season when it became clear that the Jets were probably going to be out of position to grab Darnold/Rosen, I didn’t see any of you guys pump up Mayfield as some grand alternative. Hell, most were talking up Luke f*cking Falk at the top of the 2nd round.

So why was Mayfield not even being mentioned just 10-12 weeks ago...and now many around here consider him the best QB in this class?

What changed?

Let me put it this way.... 

Mayfield has made the same kind of "wow" plays as Sam has, and he's done it with 1/2 the turnovers and dumb dumb plays. 

Just saying

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10 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Let me put it this way.... 

Mayfield has made the same kind of "wow" plays as Sam has, and he's done it with 1/2 the turnovers and dumb dumb plays. 

Just saying

.... and with all day to throw in the pocket to open receivers

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6 minutes ago, Grandy said:

.... and with all day to throw in the pocket to open receivers

Oh please. The Sam supporters need to own his problems. Just like the Allenites and the Rosen fans. 

It's not a false statement to say that Darnold didn't meet expectations in 2018. He didn't. The purists who still believe he is the "end all, be all" are the same ones who point to the IT FACTOR, which Mayfield has shown in spades, and Rosen arguably as well. 

The gap doesn't exist IMO. It's personal preference. 

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It seems kind of crazy but I think I'd take Baker. I think he'd will himself to success. Darnold seems like he needs the right situation/coach even if his ceiling is higher... And Todd Bowles and the NYJ are not the right situation/coach.

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1 hour ago, Untouchable said:

At least 80% of this fanbase literally just wanted to tank a season and go 0-16 in order to secure Darnold...now they want the 6’0 kid from an air raid offense who no one was even talking about as a 1st round pick until 3 months ago.

You can’t make this sh*t up

To be fair, you could easily make an argument that lots of people who want Darnold are basically ignoring he wasn't very good at all this year, simply because they got on the train early and don't want to jump off.

Im not saying you in particular, but I think that's the case for some.

I know you think it's ridiculous, but I think there is a very real view that outside of height, and probably mobility, Mayfield has the edge in the rest of the "usual" check boxes.

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3 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Oh please. The Sam supporters need to own his problems.

Of course he has problems, every one of these QB's does, but you have to acknowledge that he had a much worse supporting cast, and is 2 years younger than Mayfield

Look at this Mayfield video, and see how much time he has to throw:

Now look at Darnold:

 

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35 minutes ago, Grandy said:

Of course he has problems, every one of these QB's does, but you have to acknowledge that he had a much worse supporting cast, and is 2 years younger than Mayfield

Look at this Mayfield video, and see how much time he has to throw:

Now look at Darnold:

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Grandy said:

Of course he has problems, every one of these QB's does, but you have to acknowledge that he had a much worse supporting cast, and is 2 years younger than Mayfield

Look at this Mayfield video, and see how much time he has to throw:

Now look at Darnold:

 

That’s crazy how much time Mayfield had.  He didnt even have any pressure on a bunch of those plays.  Plus his WRs were wide open on many plays as well.  I guess it doesn’t mean he can’t succeed under pressure, just that it can’t really be determined from that video.  Looks like he’s a good scrambler though and has a strong arm.  But, as Mike Tyson says IIRC, “everyone has a plan until they hit in the face”. 

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59 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

You didn’t answer my question 

Why the hell was Mayfield not even in consideration just 3 months ago when it looked like we had no shot at landing Darnold/Rosen...but now he’s the bell of the ball after we traded 3 2nd rounders to move into position to potentially land a Darnold/Rosen?

That doesn’t compute with me, especially since Mayfield is supposed to be this super accurate, super mobile, super strong armed QB who wakes up in the morning and pisses moxy. So why was all of this just recently discovered?

Everyone was talking about Luke Falk. Everyone was talking about Jarrett Stidham...but nary a mention of Baker Mayfield. Why? It’s not even like he was an underclassmen like Stidham, he was a senior who was always going to enter the draft.

It's pretty simple.  Because he's "small" and a former walkon.  Of course no one is going to pump him up early in the process because he lacks the "prototype" size to be the top guy.

Guys like him have to prove they can Ball.  Guys like Darnold just have to put together a string of good games and let snowball take it's course because it's familiar.  Hell, go back and look at "scouting world", both media and amateur on sites like this after Hackenburg's Freshman year at Penn State.  It happens all the time.  

Why was Carson Wentz never talked about as a potential Top 5 pick until like December of his Senior year?  

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Just now, HawkeyeJet said:

It's pretty simple.  Because he's "small" and a former walkon.  Of course no one is going to pump him up early in the process because he lacks the "prototype" size to be the top guy.

Guys like him have to prove they can Ball.  Guys like Darnold just have to put together a string of good games and let snowball take it's course because it's familiar.  Hell, go back and look at "scouting world", both media and amateur on sites like this after Hackenburg's Freshman year at Penn State.  It happens all the time.  

Why was Carson Wentz never talked about as a potential Top 5 pick until like December of his Senior year?  

the answer is, because he's shorter than preferred.

if all four of these qbs were the same height, mayfield would be drafted first.  he has the best tape and the 2nd best arm.  

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9 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

That’s crazy how much time Mayfield had.  He didnt even have any pressure on a bunch of those plays.  Plus his WRs were wide open on many plays as well.  I guess it doesn’t mean he can’t succeed under pressure, just that it can’t really be determined from that video.  Looks like he’s a good scrambler though and has a strong arm.  But, as Mike Tyson says IIRC, “everyone has a plan until they hit in the face”. 

 

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1 minute ago, HawkeyeJet said:

It's pretty simple.  Because he's "small" and a former walkon.  Of course no one is going to pump him up early in the process because he lacks the "prototype" size to be the top guy.

Guys like him have to prove they can Ball.  Guys like Darnold just have to put together a string of good games and let snowball take it's course because it's familiar.  Hell, go back and look at "scouting world", both media and amateur on sites like this after Hackenburg's Freshman year at Penn State.  It happens all the time.  

Why was Carson Wentz never talked about as a potential Top 5 pick until like December of his Senior year?  

Carson Wentz was playing ball at North Dakota State and had a limited amount of collegiate starts, meanwhile Baker Mayfield has been putting up eye popping numbers for the last 3 years at one of the largest football factories in the country in addition to taking home a Heisman trophy.

I don’t understand what people have suddenly seen from Mayfield over the last 10-12 weeks with no football being played to suddenly vault him up from being a 2nd/3rd round pick to being a potential Top 3 selection.

You read and participate in the draft forums on these Jets boards just as I do...and no one was mentioning this kid at all when it looked like we had fallen out of the Darnold/Rosen sweepstakes. Everyone was talking about guys like Luke Falk and Mason Rudolph in Round 2. They wouldn’t even give Mayfield serious consideration at #37...now they can’t wait to take him at #3?

Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me.

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2 hours ago, Untouchable said:

No, accuracy isn’t accuracy no matter how you slice it.

When Mayfield is playing behind arguably the best OL in college football and throwing mostly little smoke screens and short slants within 8 yards of the LOS, of course he should have a higher completion percentage than a guy like Darnold who had 4/5 of his starting OL ravaged by injury and had to run for his life and play hero ball on nearly every snap.

And Mayfield’s arm isn’t stronger than Darnold’s. I knew that silly ass Ourlads report at the combine would have people taking that bullsh*t radar gun test and running with it as if it’s an accurate demonstration of arm talent.

 

2 hours ago, Untouchable said:

No, accuracy isn’t accuracy no matter how you slice it.

When Mayfield is playing behind arguably the best OL in college football and throwing mostly little smoke screens and short slants within 8 yards of the LOS, of course he should have a higher completion percentage than a guy like Darnold who had 4/5 of his starting OL ravaged by injury and had to run for his life and play hero ball on nearly every snap.

And Mayfield’s arm isn’t stronger than Darnold’s. I knew that silly ass Ourlads report at the combine would have people taking that bullsh*t radar gun test and running with it as if it’s an accurate demonstration of arm talent.

If he’s releasing the ball quick and throwing screens and slants..... Isn’t that similar to the WCO that we will be running? Honest question 

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Have to go Darnold. Both he and Rosen are getting picked apart much like Mannings. (Not saying they will be a good). They did not live up to expectations their final years of college, no Heismans.

Darnold is only 20. Probably not done filling out. He needs to work on fumbles and foot work.

I have watched a lot of Mayfields games. Fantastic college player. I think he will not have the same ability to keep plays alive like he did in college because the speed is so much faster in the NFL.

Also, I am not sure why it is assumed by many that Mayfield can effectively play under center. That is a major concern for me.



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1 minute ago, kthisguy said:

Have to go Darnold. Both he and Rosen are getting picked apart much like Mannings. (Not saying they will be a good). They did not live up to expectations their final years of college, no Heismans.

Darnold is only 20. Probably not done filling out. He needs to work on fumbles and foot work.

I have watched a lot of Mayfields games. Fantastic college player. I think he will not have the same ability to keep plays alive like he did in college because the speed is so much faster in the NFL.

Also, I am not sure why it is assumed by many that Mayfield can effectively play under center. That is a major concern for me.



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1 hour ago, Paradis said:

Let me put it this way.... 

Mayfield has made the same kind of "wow" plays as Sam has, and he's done it with 1/2 the turnovers and dumb dumb plays. 

Just saying

Except he hasn't convinced more than a fanbase that sees moxie and a couple of scouts to put Mayfield into the top 3, 2 or the top spot.  But if someone likes Darnold they are told they're wrong for even considering Darnold.  And I like Mayfield, just not better than Darnold.  

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Allen is the QB with highest ceiling ....we don’t want him 

Darnold is the consensus #1 pick....we don’t want him. 

Rosen is the choice.....Jets don’t want him. 

Bake bake Bake!

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29 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Everyone was talking about guys like Luke Falk and Mason Rudolph in Round 2. They wouldn’t even give Mayfield serious consideration at #37...now they can’t wait to take him at #3?

Seriously, are there people who wanted Luke Falk over Baker Mayfield? If so we need to do what we can to make sure they don't breed.

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3 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

Bake boy wonder please.

No offense, you seem like a very knowledgeable poster but you've flipped flopped baker/rosen several times lol. So who is your guy?

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3 minutes ago, MehlFreeman said:

No offense, you seem like a very knowledgeable poster but you've flipped flopped baker/rosen several times lol. So who is your guy?

I love them both. I think Rosen is the best passer in the draft and I don’t really have a concern attitude wise. With that said, what has recently put me over the edge is the underdog spirit of Mayfield. The ability to lead his men and lift his team is tremendous. I’m on record for saying that they both are good prospects and I’d take either one. I’m leaning towards Mayfield’s side again late in the process though.

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20 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Except he hasn't convinced more than a fanbase that sees moxie and a couple of scouts to put Mayfield into the top 3, 2 or the top spot.  But if someone likes Darnold they are told they're wrong for even considering Darnold.  And I like Mayfield, just not better than Darnold.  

don't get me wrong, I'm a Darnold fan - I think he has NFL chops... What i'm saying is, you look at the body of work in 2018, and then the popular rankings of these QBs.. it doesn't always add up IMO. Certain things are glossed over and others are over emphasized. 

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