Boy, am I glad we didn't sign Cousins.

[TexJet]

The absolute best case scenario for the Jets....just happened.  How can any Jets fan not see that or prefer to spend $30m per year on a good, not great QB? There's a better chance of Darnold solving our QB problems both short and long term than getting a 3 year rental with Cousins

[JohnnyLV]

30 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

I hope you’re right. I really do. But I’m more of a fan of the devil you know vs the devil you don’t. And this team has so many holes, those extra picks would have come in handy moving forward and they’d have a chance at contending this year. 

Yeah, that is how Jets fans have been conditioned and all that philosophy does is keep you perpetually bad to mediocre. With Darnold now we have a chance for sustained success. I completely hate the philosophy of "contend now and settle" you propose.

[FidelioJet]

I think too many people are over-valueing those 2nd round picks.  

Don't get me wrong they're certainly important but they're far from locks and very often will just be competent starters.

The choice between the concensus #1 QB in the draft - who's 20 years old - with Darnold's upside

VS. 3 2nd rounders and a 30 year old, $30mm QB with a career losing record is a no brainer to me.

You take the upside of a potential every time.

[kelticwizard]

10 minutes ago, Snell41 said:

 

Darnold is 20.  We've been wandering through the desert of bad QBs for decades. One more year of Darnold sitting on the bench, learning the pro game and letting his body fill out some more is not going to hurt us.

[Bruce Harper]

This is 100% correct.......THANK YOU!!!!!
Things are fine but for folks to argue somehow that the Jets would have sucked with Cousins is neither fair nor demonstrable. 
Lets Go Jets!!

Didn’t say we would have sucked. Merely said we are better off.


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[K_O_Brien]

1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

I like Sam Darnold a lot. I think he has a chance to be the answer the franchise has been looking for. But if the choice is Sam Darnold vs. Kirk Cousins, Quenton Nelson, and two second round picks (edge rusher? running back?) then the choice is pretty clear. Especially when you consider they could have taken someone like Lauletta in the later rounds too. 

Short term, yes. The choice is Sam Darnold versus Cousins, Nelson (for argument sake) and three second round picks. 

Fast forward three years though, and Cousins is looking for another pay day somewhere else. Which he will. And we then need another QB. 

Then it becomes a choice between say, the cost of moving up to take a QB prospect in 2021 + Nelson + three second rounders versus Darnold + 3 years savings on salary cap + those 2021 first and second round players which we can now draft. 

If you want to trade up and take the best QB in the draft, you have to sacrifice picks in the process. Signing Cousins would merely have delayed that process. 

Who knows really? Darnold could bust and we are back looking for another QB in the future. But right now, if the choice is between a 29 year old Cousins or a 20 year old Darnold, I'll take the latter every day. 

 

[Fantasy Island]

1 hour ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I mean we basically almost got stuck with Tina Turner at quarterback but instead we got Jesus Christ himself.

I prefer Tina over JC, so Sam is Tina.  JC is a turnover machine.

[Fantasy Island]

4 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

I think too many people are over-valueing those 2nd round picks.  

Don't get me wrong they're certainly important but they're far from locks and very often will just be competent starters.

The choice between the concensus #1 QB in the draft - who's 20 years old - with Darnold's upside

VS. 3 2nd rounders and a 30 year old, $30mm QB with a career losing record is a no brainer to me.

You take the upside of a potential every time.

I thought we stole the 3rd overall because we have a bad history in the 2nd round.

[Jetsfan80]

47 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Being a realist will always be better than being a utopian dreamer with ones heads int he proverbial clouds mate.

True, but in this case, I think its OK to be a realist AND think Darnold has a better than 50 % chance of at least being a league average NFL QB.  And even an average QB at # 3 overall is a win overall, because that's someone you can build around, and not really have to worry about replacing for a lot of years.

He checks so many of the boxes, it would simply be hard to imagine him being a monumental bust.  Still possible, but I'm more than willing to roll those dice.  Teams have to take shots at drafting their own franchise QB when they can. 

[nj meadowlands]

46 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I too wanted Cousins, he was by far the best option for Winning a Super Bowl over the next 2-3 seasons.

With that said, drafting the mostly-consensus #1 QB of this draft class is a very good outcome, and one we all hope will pay dividends equal to the costs (a 1st and three 2nds) and finally give us the home-grown Franchise QB we all dream of.

 

The only thing that would've made this offseason better would have been to invest a little more money (read: 1 more player) along the offensive line. Getting the consensus #1, homegrown QB as you said is something I can't even quantify. I'm 30 and have attended over 200 Jet games in my life, and I've never been even close to this excited or optimistic about our future at the position. It's amazing.  Next offseason we need to use our cap space and (probably high) draft pick to invest in some OLine production for the dude.

[Larz]

Cousins made the right decision, go to the win now team 

Taking an extra 5% to wait 2 years to win didn't make a ton of sense 

[JohnnyLV]

7 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

True, but in this case, I think its OK to be a realist AND think Darnold has a better than 50 % chance of at least being a league average NFL QB.  And even an average QB at # 3 overall is a win overall, because that's someone you can build around, and not really have to worry about replacing for a lot of years.

He checks so many of the boxes, it would simply be hard to imagine him being a monumental bust.  Still possible, but I'm more than willing to roll those dice.  Teams have to take shots at drafting their own franchise QB when they can. 

I think even at the most realistic negative assessment Darnold is a good midrange starter in the NFL. A bunch of analysts said that as well. He is just too skilled at the rare qualities that almost ensure he will be successful: size, personality and demeanor elusiveness, movement in the pocket, anticipation, accuracy. The turnovers are irrelevant he just thinks he can make every throw, but steadily improved in that area as the season went on. And he is 20. He will continue to grow and his arm strength will improve. I honestly believe it is close to 100% chance he is at least average.

Also, something to consider about Darnold. Like Luck, Darnold is one of the very few QBs in recent history that not only excels in the traditional scouting view of a prototypical QB but also excels at all of the analytics that are done to predict his future success.

And, for those that say they were no Luck comparisons that is not true, and if there weren't 4 elite QB prospects in this years draft his grade would have been much higher.

 

[JohnnyLV]

13 minutes ago, Larz said:

Cousins made the right decision, go to the win now team 

Taking an extra 5% to wait 2 years to win didn't make a ton of sense 

Cousins is an overrated bum. His arrogance has led to the Jets having a QB that will not only be significantly better than him, but if healthy have a far longer career too. The Cousins and Rosen love affairs on this board are really interesting.,

[LIJetsFan]

The only reason I wanted Cousins was because Darnold was impossible to get and Mac would have taken a lesser QB at 6.  

[Sarge4Tide]

I like Tina Turner 

[sackdance]

Just now, CrazyCarl40 said:

Especially when you consider they could have taken someone like Lauletta in the later rounds too. 

Lauletta. Darnold.

Same thing.  

Right?

[chirorob]

1 hour ago, Bruce Harper said:

I mentioned the picks.  And I don't think we can necessarily assume we would get any studs in the second round, as that goal has been elusive for us in the recent past.  I just think that a young franchise QB (which I think he is) is worth what we paid for him and then some.

If he works out, with the way QB's are protected, we are set at QB for 15 years.  That's not even an exaggeration.  He's 20.   If it takes him 2 years to be decent, he can be good for 15.   It's totally worth it.   Otherwise, in 3 year we were right back where we started.

[Paradis]

2 hours ago, Bruce Harper said:

Think about it: 

On the one hand,

we would have had a slightly better than average QB, approaching 30, with a ceiling of being somewhere in the top 10 to 15 QBs in the league.  Also, 30 mil per year towards the salary cap for at least three years. 

Versus,

20 year old stud, signed at modest expense for five years.  Potential top 5 guy, who has had his best performances in huge games.  Likely to be with us for 10 to 15 years. 

 

Wow... even as a fellow Jets fan, you're taking some huge fcking liberties with this assessment pal.

How many TDs has Sam Darnold thrown in the NFL?.... Guess that makes me a stud too. 

 

Sam was the right choice, easily. You don't have to blow your bong hit in my face to say it.  

[Greenseed4]

Thank you, thread.  Tears of happiness. 

[slats]

1 hour ago, chirorob said:

I'm not being negative, but it's not Cousins or Darnold, it's Cousins + 4 other picks or Darnold.

...minus $30M/year to spend in free agency. 

I'd rather have Darnold and all the potential he brings to the position and the money to spend to build a team around him. That $30M/year should buy three players at least as good as what the Jets generally draft in the second round. 

[Tony MaC]

I would have been happy to have Cousins and all the rest of the picks to work up to something over the next couple of years. We could have afforded him, he would have brought a measure of stability to the QB position (assuming he was signed to a deal with a decent length).

But that's not how things went. Instead we got the youngest top QB prospect in the draft and a reasonable amount of buffer room for him to adjust to things with Teddy and Josh. 

I'm more than happy with this alternate reality. I can only speak for myself but this offseason has been eventful and not at all stressful for me, especially with regards to the QB. We were gonna get a solve for it one way or another, Mac wasn't going to skip out on one this year. And I didn't let myself get hitched to one bandwagon so that if they didn't go a certain way I wouldn't be disappointed. 

 

[sackdance]

Just now, Paradis said:

Wow... even as a fellow Jets fan, you're taking some huge fcking liberties with this assessment pal.

How many TDs has Sam Darnold thrown in the NFL?.... Guess that makes me a stud too. 

 

Sam was the right choice, easily. You don't know to blow your bong hit in my face to say it.  

No he did not, by any means. 

For starters, the term "stud" is largely used for prospects - not proven pros. Outside of gay fantasy porn (aka, Patsfan.com) you'll never hear Tom Brady referred to as a stud for this very reason.

AND that said - if a QB 17 out of 22 GMs rate as the top QB in the draft (a status he'd enjoyed for two years, btw) isn't a stud prospect - then a stud prospect doesn't exist.

 

[#27TheDominator]

21 minutes ago, chirorob said:

If he works out, with the way QB's are protected, we are set at QB for 15 years.  That's not even an exaggeration.  He's 20.   If it takes him 2 years to be decent, he can be good for 15.   It's totally worth it.   Otherwise, in 3 year we were right back where we started.

Why 10-15 years?  He's under contract for 5.  After that we are at his mercy, just like the Packers are with Rodgers and the Redskins were with Cousins.  Some of these guys turn out to be Rodgers, Brady or Wilson.  Others are Tannehill, Flacco and Dalton.  What if he is Stafford?  Is that any better than Cousins? 

[Paradis]

7 minutes ago, sackdance said:

No he did not, by any means. 

For starters, the term "stud" is largely used for prospects - not proven pros. Outside of gay fantasy porn (aka, Patsfan.com) you'll never hear Tom Brady referred to as a stud for this very reason.

AND that said - if a QB 17 out of 22 GMs rate as the top QB in the draft (a status he'd enjoyed for two years, btw) isn't a stud prospect - then a stud prospect doesn't exist.

 

 

[New York Mick]

2 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

I like Sam Darnold a lot. I think he has a chance to be the answer the franchise has been looking for. But if the choice is Sam Darnold vs. Kirk Cousins, Quenton Nelson, and two second round picks (edge rusher? running back?) then the choice is pretty clear. Especially when you consider they could have taken someone like Lauletta in the later rounds too. 

As always some fans already have Darnold’s head cast on its way to the HOF and starting jobs for late picks and undrafted players. And since we lost out on getting Cousins and Darnold fell into our laps Darnold is clearing the better choice even through the same posters we’re going mental wanted to get Cousins. 

If we got Cousins and still had all the picks the team would look a lot different right now. I’m super happy with Darnold but I’m also realistic unlike half the fan base. 

[Il Mostro]

2 hours ago, The Crusher said:

I would have used Ike there but ok.

Ike was the Deacon Jones of the music world.

[Bruce Harper]

48 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Wow... even as a fellow Jets fan, you're taking some huge fcking liberties with this assessment pal.

How many TDs has Sam Darnold thrown in the NFL?.... Guess that makes me a stud too. 

 

Sam was the right choice, easily. You don't have to blow your bong hit in my face to say it.  

Chill, Paradis.  What's with the f bomb and the "Pal"?  I thought this place was about expressing opinions and I'm entitled to mine like anyone else, and somehow I did it without f-bombs or calling anyone "Pal."  

And where's your college tape?  I'll be happy to take a look at it if you like.

[CrazyCarl40]

47 minutes ago, slats said:

...minus $30M/year to spend in free agency. 

I'd rather have Darnold and all the potential he brings to the position and the money to spend to build a team around him. That $30M/year should buy three players at least as good as what the Jets generally draft in the second round. 

So you’re of the mind that a team is better off building through free agency than the draft? That seems to go against the grain of what a lot of successful teams have done in the NFL. Of course when Macc has botched both Free Agency and the Draft multiple times over in his tenure, I guess it’s hard to figure out what to do. 

[New York Mick]

25 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

Chill, Paradis.  What's with the f bomb and the "Pal"?  I thought this place was about expressing opinions and I'm entitled to mine like anyone else, and somehow I did it without f-bombs or calling anyone "Pal."  

And where's your college tape?  I'll be happy to take a look at it if you like.

****sake Pal, you need to ******* relax 

[Bruce Harper]

3 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

****sake Pal, you need to ******* relax 

Another charmer.

[chirorob]

52 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Why 10-15 years?  He's under contract for 5.  After that we are at his mercy, just like the Packers are with Rodgers and the Redskins were with Cousins.  Some of these guys turn out to be Rodgers, Brady or Wilson.  Others are Tannehill, Flacco and Dalton.  What if he is Stafford?  Is that any better than Cousins? 

If he works out, then we have a QB, who will be getting big money.   Right now we can't even get someone to take out money.

I think Cousins is kind of under rated.   I was all in on signing him, but it didn't work out. 

[slats]

5 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

So you’re of the mind that a team is better off building through free agency than the draft? That seems to go against the grain of what a lot of successful teams have done in the NFL. Of course when Macc has botched both Free Agency and the Draft multiple times over in his tenure, I guess it’s hard to figure out what to do. 

It's six of one, half dozen of the other, no? Either get the expensive QB on a three year rental in free agency, or spend some draft capital on the QB in the draft and have the money to spend in free agency. Sam will make less over four years than Cousins will make this year, and he very well may turn out to be the better QB, too. 

So in answer to your question: you use every resource at your disposal to build your football team.  

[Thai Jet]

What the hell's a goin on ? Madonna, Tina Turner, Rihanna.......... NONE of these woman play football ! I'm SO confused.

[Freemanm]

3 hours ago, Ex-Rex said:

And just watch Todd Bowles screw it all up. If Bowles gets his way - with Bridgewater declared healthy now - Darnold will not see the field at all this season. Bowles is all about playing the guy "who gives us the best chance to win." and that is not a rookie who needs playing time right away. If that happens I think Bowles is shown the door even if the Jets go 8-8.

Even if Darnold plays I am extremely worried that Bowles' stupidity is going to impede Darnold's progress. Christopher Johnson really should have fired him and had Macc hire his own coach

[jetspenguin]

3 hours ago, Ex-Rex said:

And just watch Todd Bowles screw it all up. If Bowles gets his way - with Bridgewater declared healthy now - Darnold will not see the field at all this season. Bowles is all about playing the guy "who gives us the best chance to win." and that is not a rookie who needs playing time right away. If that happens I think Bowles is shown the door even if the Jets go 8-8.

How exactly is a healthy Teddy, playing the guy who gives the best chance to win and not playing a rookie who by all accounts needs time to develop not right away playing time considered Bowles "screwing it all up"??? If Darnold is the savior so many people here seem to believe and he will be with us for "15 years" which is also what I am constantly hearing whats the big deal if he isnt the best starter for us this year? it would actually be BETTER for his development if he sat this year and we bulked up the line. He throws more interceptions and has more fumbles when he is off schedule. The best thing he can do is sit while we improve the pieces around him............and he develops.

I swear you Bowles haters can pick your spots better than this, hate the guy for real stuff he does or doesnt do, this kind of b.s. is just a waste of space.