TuscanyTile2 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 6 hours ago, choon328 said: The Jets would never ever have seen a comp pick for Bridgewater b/c they have nearly $100 million to spend in FA and any deal Teddy would've signed would have been totally negated by who the Jets sign in FA. It's smart on the Saints end b/c if he doesn't re-sign with them then they may be in line for a 3rd or 4th round comp pick and they look smart. It's a win/win for both teams Interesting analysis. Maybe it is a win/win trade The Saints are playing a go-for-it strategy this coming year (Davenport trade) so the 3rd rounder might be a low 3rd rounder (that they’ll recoup that with a 4th round comp pick). And it’s possible for them to franchise him should things go in an unexpected direction this year. For them, very low risk. Jets very likely couldn’t recoup a 4th rounder for Teddy if he walked after this year (as per your analysis) so they essentially got a team to send us a slight premium (again saints 3rd rounder will like be low 3rd and they’ll recoup a 4th). Jets then threw them some protection (by giving them a 6th) in case saints 3rd is higher than expected. Also saints have to pay majority of TBW’s salary (I think because jets would’ve been on the hook for 5M if TBW started the season as a jet). Prob starters are not playing preseason week 4 so Macc doesn’t expect a starter to get injured prior to regular season at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said: You understand they won't get a comp pick but want to subtract a comp pick from the value? Do not follow. Any player with an expiring contract that is worth money on the open market has a base rate of value floor given by his comp rate draft value, regardless of whether your team actually uses that or not the following year. You can trade Bridgewater (or anyone else that has comp pick value) to a team full of vets and expect to get some of that value back, simply b/c they will leave after their stint is over and give that team draft value. So a trade is always based upon how much *better* you do than that base rate. Teams that expect an exodus of FA's usually stock up on even more expiring contracts so as to maximize their efficiency under the NFLs comp rate. The Packers, Pats and Ravens are masters at this sort of gamesmanship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsRay Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Warfish said: It's amazing that the Cult of Darnold has reached such a fever pitch that even being unhappy with McCown or Whathisface as the #2 QB is now considered Anti-Darnold blasphemy, and grounds for Buttfumbles, lol. I sure hope Darnold's play is worth putting up with the Cultist Contingent. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 6 hours ago, T0mShane said: A better feature would be one that’ll find any of the posts you’re LOLing about, ber that was so funny... i practically pissed my pants - good one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 8 hours ago, jetspenguin said: Are we trading Manish too? If only we could. Great place for TB . He's pure class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 hours ago, joewilly12 said: NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the Raiders are "giving the impression" to teams they want two first-round picks for holdout DE Khalil Mack. Pelissero says Oakland received "a bunch of calls" regarding Mack's availablity in recent days, but GMs are turned off by Jon Gruden's asking price. No team is going to part with two first-rounders for Mack, especially when they also have to make him one of the league's highest-paid players. Perhaps a deal could happen if the Raiders dropped their asking price to a first- and a third-round pick, but that's not yet in the cards. Yahoo's Charles Robinson recently reported Mack is "likely" to miss regular season games. 2 Firsts nah. A First and one of our 3rds? Fine. Y'all still won't get that video of me pissing myself because we, unfortunately, aren't getting Mack and I ain't losing that bet. I'll happily take Fowler as compensation though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 6 hours ago, JetFaninMI said: That wasn't going to happen. If TB was signed for more than 1 season the return would have been greater but even then that would not have been enough to get Mack. That was a pipe dream. We traded Richardson in the last yr of his contract for a 2 and a wr but it’s all about supply and demand, team needs and trade fits. Everybody knew Teddy was for sale. If there was a better deal for us , no one was keeping it a secret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 5 hours ago, j4jets said: They got a net of 4th. Massive difference between a 4th and 2nd. Just like he could get hurt being a bench player, I’m pretty sure other NFL QBs that are starting are at a much higher risk of getting hurt, which would’ve helped our cause and if it didn’t, there was no harm keeping him and netting a 4th round comp as opposed to trading and getting a 4th round pick Two things. A third minus a 6 th don’t equal a fourth. If it you’re going to argue it does , show me the trades of a a mid 3 rd rder for a 4 th and a 6 th we wouldn’t have gotten any draft pick for him next year after our free agent spending spree, any pick we did get wouldn’t be for 2019 but 2020 Compare apples to apples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyjet Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 We got a 3. Teddy was not the future here, he may be in New Orleans. This is Sams team now sink or swim. I like all the moves except they didn’t fire Bowles, but that’s next. Or we made the playoffs. That being said. Enjoy the season and let’s hope the new uniforms don’t look like crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 4 hours ago, C Mart said: Do you know what Mcc does day to day?What Heimerdinger does day to day? And I’d guess Heimerdingers first 1st round pick, 1st FA signing flop, 1st 7th round pick bust would be criticized like every other Jets GM. Drinks lots of coffee and watches the Housewives of New York on demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Greenseed4 said: For years and years, the initials “TB” stood for our rival QB up north. Then, Bowles came in and caused a ruckus on our forums because some abbreviating enthusiasts don’t understand how to use context. Count me tickled that the Teddy Bridgewater trade will FINALLY reduce the number of lazy “TB” abbreviaters (you know who you are) from carrying on. Todd Blackledge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 8 hours ago, Augustiniak said: it's easy to forget the sequence of events. the jets signed bridgewater before they traded to #3 and before the draft. if you had told mccagnan before the draft that he was getting darnold i don't think he would have signed bridgewater. I'm pretty sure that if you had told Mac before the draft that he was getting Darnold and would be able to upgrade a 2019 6 to a 2019 3 if he just signed Bridgewater and paid him 500K to be in camp, you'd have to be standing off to the side to avoid being trampled by a coffee'd up blur heading to the phone to call Bridgewater's agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 The biggest surprise was the destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 TB and our 6th for their LATE 3rd (since Saints will finish top 10 in NFL) actually translates into an early 4th. So much for getting a 2nd for TB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Mike135 said: Didn’t think out this point. It’s a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, BigO said: TB and our 6th for their LATE 3rd (since Saints will finish top 10 in NFL) actually translates into an early 4th. So much for getting a 2nd for TB. The saints drafted 14, 12, and 11 the last three yrs. Might be closer to a high third rder than a 4 th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, jgb said: Didn’t think out this point. It’s a good one. Yeah, Macc really did well here. We knock him when it's due. Gotta give credit when due as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 19 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said: The saints drafted 14, 12, and 11 the last three yrs. Might be closer to a high third rder than a 4 th Nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 3 hours ago, j4jets said: I didn’t see the math. You get the point though. Moving the pick 4-6 spots up n down doesn’t really change the overall big picture. Which is exactly why the 6th is inconsequential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 From FA that nobody wanted to flip for a 3rd round pick in the preseason. Might be Macs best move yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 14 hours ago, InstantClassic said: I thought he got cut already his suitcase is in his locker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Bowles Movement said: The saints drafted 14, 12, and 11 the last three yrs. Might be closer to a high third rder than a 4 th Saints traded up this past draft to take Davenport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 14 hours ago, Scoop24 said: we gave up a 6th as well I’m sure Macc will get back when he trades down in the back end of draft like always That 6th rounder was our chance to draft the next Brady. Damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 To be fair on this point though Bridgewater had a much larger nfl sample size compared to the four games Jimmy g played. Sent from my [device_name] using http://JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 48 minutes ago, C Mart said: Saints traded up this past draft to take Davenport That’s true but their other low draft picks they earned the hard way. They also have to battle Atlanta and Carolina for the division title which won’t be easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Another great move by Mac. Best GM this team has ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, bealeb319 said: To be fair on this point though Bridgewater had a much larger nfl sample size compared to the four games Jimmy g played. Sent from my [device_name] using http://JetNation.com mobile app To be as fair, Garopolo did not have an horrific knee injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 6 hours ago, jgb said: Didn’t think out this point. It’s a good one. The Browns offered the Pats a 1st round pick the previous year for Jimmy G and Belichick turned it down. Once the trade deadline was about to hit Kraft ordered Belichick to trade him. SF was 1) a different conference and 2) Kyle Shanahan’s dad Mike defended Belichick during deflategate Pay it forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 11 hours ago, jgb said: If you buy a house for $100k and the value rises to $300k is it a good deal to sell it for $200k? What if that house has some concern over the foundations, due to previous damage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 17 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: To be as fair, Garopolo did not have an horrific knee injury. To be fair Garropolo is also a way better player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, jamesr said: What if that house has some concern over the foundations, due to previous damage? No one is a bigger critic of Macc than me and even I think he got a good deal for Teddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I would have liked to see us get more for Bridgewater, but cannot complain about a 3. Yes, we probably could have held onto him into the season up to the deadline to see if a contender loses a starter, but that strategy is not without its own risk. Teddy has missed two years due to a major knee injury. So far, he has not played more than a half of football and taken a handful of hits. Nobody, not Macc, not the Saints, nobody knows how the knee will hold up over the long haul. Any kind of setback would have destroyed his trade value. We took a 3 now for the cost of Teddy and a 6. It may be below market for a 25 year-old back-up with starter potential, but it is an asset in hand. Making the deal now also frees up a roster spot which has some, albeit limtied, value. I would have preferred to wait to see if we could get more, but a day 2 pick is a valuable asset. Lets just hope Macc makes good use of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Philc1 said: No one is a bigger critic of Macc than me and even I think he got a good deal for Teddy Earlier in this thread you said it was just "ok". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 9 hours ago, Philc1 said: Pass rushers never beat Tom Brady just ask JPP, Von Miller and Michael Strahan This team isn’t ready to win yet. Wasting a high pick on a PR when there’s so many other needs is ******* stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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