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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Brian Schottenheimer has been employed by a major football organization since his mid-teens, but it’s the conspiracy to protect the five working African American coaches that riles @Jetster up. 

 

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Brian Schottenheimer has been employed by a major football organization since his mid-teens, but it’s the conspiracy to protect the five working African American coaches that riles @Jetster up. 

Didn't Schott go to two AFCCG with Mark Sanchez at QB?

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1 hour ago, tdoublee said:

Todd Bowles is a brilliant defensive coordinator, his work with the Cardinals D is undeniable.

Now as a HC it was a different story. He was loyal to a fault with Kacey Rodgers who should've been fired or demoted long ago. Yes the defense was terrible at times and that ultimately falls on the HC, but that's not what Schein said.

Now that Bowles is a DC again and he doesn't have to manage the million other responsibilities he had as HC, I think he will put together a top ranked defense for Tampa Bay.

What exactly did he do for the Cardinals defense that made him brilliant?

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Todd Bowles was 100% overwhelmed as a head coach. He was and will be a good to very good defensive coordinator. Gase? I have no idea really what to think. He come coach Sam, roll his eyes at Macc a lot and probably end up with the hypertension.  Will he be successful? Don’t know and neither do any of you. 

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Todd Bowles is a good dude who didn’t have it as a HC. Players and other coaches loves this guy. They’re definitely isn’t a conspiracy to make him look better than he was. Guys like him will get the benefit of the doubt and right now he’s gonna get great coordinator but bad HC label that some have until he proves that to be wrong, if he does at all 

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1 hour ago, CTM said:

That plus the dude just took a demotion. Why would anyone but deranged jets fans want to kick him when hes down?  And what does race have to do with it, Rex didnt lose genius DC moniker after failing 2x as a HC

He didn’t?

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1 hour ago, CTM said:

That plus the dude just took a demotion. Why would anyone but deranged jets fans want to kick him when hes down?  And what does race have to do with it, Rex didnt lose genius DC moniker after failing 2x as a HC

There are a lot of good coordinators who failed as head coaches, but they are still considered good coordinators. No conspiracy here.  

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

I found his comment to be silly. It’s fine if you want to bash Bowles, but ffs do it on the merits. The Jets franchise is horribly run and the coaches who fail here have never taken a hit for it because, league-wide, everyone knows this is a bad job.

Great Point, the rant reads better without that paragraph - no reason for it, see

2 hours ago, Jetster said:

So, I'm in the car listening to Mad Dog sports radio on Sirius.

This guy Shein in that irritating exaggerated stretch voice starts talking about the Arians hire in Tampa Bay. So I'm waiting to hear what he has to say about Todd Bowles. So he says, "And what about the Todd Bowles hire, Todd Bowles is a brilliant defensive coordinator!"

I literally nearly drove off the road! I mean it struck me as being so funny, I was saying out loud in the car, BRILLIANT? BRILLIANT? Now I know there are many things I've called Todd Bowles over the last 4 years but brilliant was never a word that came to my mind.

What the hell is it with Todd Bowles & his teflon reputation? Seriously? This guy fired 3 OCs and kept his inept buddy Rogers here for 4 years & I think even right now a WR blew through the secondary untouched & no one within 15 yards of him!  Todd Bowles is referred to as BRILLIANT! 

Sorry, but this really pisses me off because I had to waste 4 years watching this moron systematically make this team worse & worse every year! I was at that Titans game where his BRILLIANT DEFENSIVE game plan gave up another 7 points with an 83 yard drive in a 2 minute drill. I reassured Titans fans sitting next to me that they had nothing to worry about, there was no way Todd Bowles defense to stop the juggernaut that is Marcus Mariotta & the Titans offense! They thought I was nostrodomus and thanked me for my wisdom and for reassuring them that the game was clearly not over. At 16-0 a couple left? I was thinking, you obviously haven't witnessed the brilliancy of Todd Bowles & Kacey Rogers giving up lead after lead. This is my final critique of anything Todd Bowles, I'm just thankful he's finally gone, but wow, it's amazing how history gets rewritten by these media A holes.

Bowles probably has a good reputation because he is a good person, straight with people, honest, loyal, etc... I don't know the man, but those are usually traits of someone with a good reputation

also agree that Tampa will probably be a dumpster fire, Arians already anointed the starting QB and we have seen how well that works and Bowles defense did not succeed in Philly and it took time in Arizona, so he is not beyond question, brilliant  is not a word I would use either...

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Todd is brilliant. just not at football. Media and some fans may like to say he is great at coaching but they are full of it. However It does take brilliance to become paid so richly that you become one of the 1% in the USA while at the same time totally sucking at what you are getting paid so lucratively to do. Its a legit scam these guys pull off. Brilliant I tell you. Brilliant. 

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Some guys are just better suited to be coordinators than head coaches.

Wade Phillips is a great coordinator but as a HC wasn't great. Rex failed as a HC but it doesn't impact how he's perceived as a DC. When Josh McDaniels flamed out in Denver it didn't mean he sucked as an OC too. Different jobs, different skill sets.....plus without talent even the great coaches can't produce.

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Bowles was a great defensive coordinator in Arizona.  Also the two games that Rodgers had his illness, Bowles took over as defensive coordinator and the defense played well and we won.  He let Rodgers run the defense and was too loyal to him. 

They specifically ask on this board that we don’t bring up race.  Not sure how that even relates to this. 

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13 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

And just helped Russell Wilson have the best season of his career.  

It's amazing!  The general consensus on this board is that virtually every coach and player sucked on the Jets those two years, yet we had more success then than the last 5 decades.

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1 hour ago, Jetster said:

The Todd Bowles 24-40 phenomenon is just the strangest thing I've ever seen or heard. I've never seen a guy get so many passes by the media regarding his coaching acumen & yes, I think the atmosphere in this day & age is so oppressing that people are so afraid to criticize anyone, especially if African American or a women. When I came on here & criticized that women who announced the Jet game I got flack for my comment. She sucked! Sorry, I'm not into women calling NFL games. Bottom line is Todd Bowles sucks! His record proves that he sucks! His defensive game plans SUCKED! From the Bills game in 2015 to his last game he was 14-34! Sorry, there is no way in hell hes a BRILLIANT defensive coordinator & lost that many games, many of them with his BRILLIANT defense giving up leads. 

Grow up. Bowles is gone. He was let go at the end of the season. The Jets have moved on, hired a new coach. The adults in the room have moved on. Its obvious that you aren't quite ready to do that yet.  

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3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I found his comment to be silly. It’s fine if you want to bash Bowles, but ffs do it on the merits. The Jets franchise is horribly run and the coaches who fail here have never taken a hit for it because, league-wide, everyone knows this is a bad job.

Funny coming from the guy who has a conniption if Rex's name is mentioned in anything but a terrible light.

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7 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said:

It's amazing!  The general consensus on this board is that virtually every coach and player sucked on the Jets those two years, yet we had more success then than the last 5 decades.

I am always amazed how Rex sucked, schottenheimer sucked, Sanchez sucked, tannenbaum sucked yet we won 4 playoff games and had 2 chances at super bowls.  

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1 hour ago, Jetster said:

The Todd Bowles 24-40 phenomenon is just the strangest thing I've ever seen or heard. I've never seen a guy get so many passes by the media regarding his coaching acumen & yes, I think the atmosphere in this day & age is so oppressing that people are so afraid to criticize anyone, especially if African American or a women. When I came on here & criticized that women who announced the Jet game I got flack for my comment. She sucked! Sorry, I'm not into women calling NFL games. Bottom line is Todd Bowles sucks! His record proves that he sucks! His defensive game plans SUCKED! From the Bills game in 2015 to his last game he was 14-34! Sorry, there is no way in hell hes a BRILLIANT defensive coordinator & lost that many games, many of them with his BRILLIANT defense giving up leads. 

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37 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Dear Jetster,

In the future,please drive on narrower roads. 

Sincerely, 

Hunanity

Was going to say, the big disappointment in this thread...

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The thing that keeps Bowles alive is that he in a genuinely nice guy. The media falls for that. And without a doubt he is. But you know what my dad is a great guy too but I don’t want him coaching my football team. 

Gase on the other hand is kind of a jerk and will blow off the media. He is without a doubt a better coach though but the media hates to admit that 

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36 minutes ago, Kleckineau said:

Todd is brilliant. just not at football. Media and some fans may like to say he is great at coaching but they are full of it. However It does take brilliance to become paid so richly that you become one of the 1% in the USA while at the same time totally sucking at what you are getting paid so lucratively to do. Its a legit scam these guys pull off. Brilliant I tell you. Brilliant. 

Don’t knock Todd, and Kacy’s hustle, straight up gangsta the way they played Woody, and the Jets.

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I am not a fan of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.  They are neither in our Division nor are they in our conference.  How Todd Bowles' defenses play in Tampa means nothing to me, except for when we play them.  I wish him luck there.  And if he can re-establish himself as a solid DC, more power to him.  Not everyone is cut out to be a HC.  No shame in being a good coordinator but a bad HC.   He would not be the only guy meeting that description.  We fired him, he has moved on.  And so have I.

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1 hour ago, Jetster said:

The Todd Bowles 24-40 phenomenon is just the strangest thing I've ever seen or heard. I've never seen a guy get so many passes by the media regarding his coaching acumen & yes, I think the atmosphere in this day & age is so oppressing that people are so afraid to criticize anyone, especially if African American or a women. When I came on here & criticized that women who announced the Jet game I got flack for my comment. She sucked! Sorry, I'm not into women calling NFL games. Bottom line is Todd Bowles sucks! His record proves that he sucks! His defensive game plans SUCKED! From the Bills game in 2015 to his last game he was 14-34! Sorry, there is no way in hell hes a BRILLIANT defensive coordinator & lost that many games, many of them with his BRILLIANT defense giving up leads. 

I dont care what gender Beth Mowins identifies as, she is terrible. But so are Jason Whitten, Joe Tessitore and a bunch of others.

 

But Mowins is awful.

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2 hours ago, CTM said:

Why would anyone but deranged jets fans want to kick him when hes down? 

I had to watch Todd Bowles kick while the Jets were down for four years. What goes around comes around?

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2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Brian Schottenheimer has been employed by a major football organization since his mid-teens, but it’s the conspiracy to protect the five working African American coaches that riles @Jetster up. 

lol....I think he was fired up mostly by Bowles since he was our coach. Lots of guys stick around too long. Schotty is a great example. But Hue Jackson got a year longer than he should, Bowles a year longer and Marvin Lewis about 6 years longer. None of them were terminated for being African-American. 

Steve Wilks may have gotten a raw deal but he assembled a bad staff and the Cards don’t trust a defensive guy with Rosen like the Jets don’t trust Bowles with Darnold. I don’t know enough about Vance Joseph in Denver but that’s not a good QB situation and that team lost to the Jets.

Byron Leftwich is getting elevated and will be OC in Tampa. Bieniemy is in his first year as a coordinator in KC. Guys are getting elevated. 

Owners want to win. I think good coaches get good opportunities, winners stay in place and losers lose jobs. 

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