Polite cut

[Peace Frog]

18 minutes ago, RobR said:

Not really, it was explained over and over why he wasn't a good pick and why he wouldn't succeed at the NFL level. Even our resident Gator didn't like the pick the minute it was submitted. Some people prefer to bury their head in the sand instead of facing reality.

Wow an NFL team should hire you NOW.  You guess better than real GMs. 

I’m guessing that’s not happening. 

[Pac]

16 minutes ago, EM31 said:

On the day he gets cut and conjecture becomes reality we can spend a little time on it.  Perhaps it will inform future discussion for some, Unless of course some folks are simply embarrassed by the positions that they have taken and want to hurry on to the next thing.

This thread will go about 20 pages and some people can't go 3 posts without whining about Macc on a given day.  Rest assured there will be thousands of future posts disparaging him.  You'll get much more than a "little time on it".

I'm occasionally embarrassed for some posters if that's what you mean.

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

2 hours ago, Barkus said:

We all saw it during the games, polite was terrible and did not look like he belonged out there. The positive here is the FO did not keep a player that didn’t belong. Guys that made plays like basham and Phillips made the team (for now) regardless of draft position. Guys that can play should stay. Hopefully no more garbage like keeping hackenberg for years, or cutting Danny wood head to keep McKnight, etc.

Yeah but it's unfortunate Polite is cut now, a guy who interviews terribly and is totally out of shape at the Combine.  I mean who can have seen this coming?  I swear I really think Maccagnan was sent in by Belichick somehow, how could someone be that bad at his job?

[sec101row23]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

I thought the arm chair gms all declared that the jets would never cut him because he was a 3rd rounder?  Hmmmmm

It’s so rare that a 3rd round pick gets cut out of camp, let alone a guy picked 68th overall.  There probably isn’t more than 4 or 5 guys in the last decade that have been drafted that high and cut during camp.  What a waste.  Maccagnan was truly inept.  

[sec101row23]

4 hours ago, JiF said:

I cant remember who I was asking for at the Polite pick, I feel like it was Henderson because Hurd went right before Polite. Or was it Hakeem Butler?   I think it was Butler. 

I was down with Butler.  

[sec101row23]

On 8/31/2019 at 4:31 PM, Pac said:

They're keeping the guys who perform the best regardless of draft status.  That was something Bowles and Macc struggled with so I can dig it.

I know people like playing the "look who we could have drafted" game but that's childish.  Every team whiffs in every round.  The Vikings trading a 5th rounder for a K who they just waived a couple weeks later is a bigger disaster than this...  If he's not claimed he'll probably be on the practice squad and hopefully takes this year to get right.

I love how you try to brush this off as an isolated error, one that “every team makes” as some sort of defense of your boy Maccagnan.   Maccagnan’s draft record was abysmal, he has entire draft classes nearly extinct already.   His failures are many and egregious.    

[Xtina]

4 hours ago, Paradis said:

What up @PepPep

You do know Geno Smith beat out Paxton Lynch in Seattle, right? ?

[jeremy2020]

I like how the bar keeps getting moved...we were told Gase and Mac are fine. They have no problems. We were told polite is fine. He may not be a starter, but he's been "flashing"...

...and let's talk about that stupid abomination of a buzzword, flashing. Every guy in camp can "flash". The guys who remain and have long careers are consistent. A guy "flashing" means nothing. It's when he does it 80-90% or more of the plays he is out there that it matters.

[Warfish]

5 minutes ago, Xtina said:

You do know Geno Smith beat out Paxton Lynch in Seattle, right? ?

Apparently not it seems.

[Beerfish]

48 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

Wow an NFL team should hire you NOW.  You guess better than real GMs. 

I’m guessing that’s not happening. 

This is correct.  The average fan that pays attention to college ball and the draft on this site would have drafted VASTLY better than our last two gms, there is ZERO question about this.

Learn to evaluate and make judgments on players and then live with it.  The people who think every pick we make is awesome sauce look as bad as our failed gms.

At least people who have the balls to judge our picks right away will own it when we are right or wring.  The chickens who refuse to make a judgment or say that every pick is great bleat.  'So you think you are smarter than a pro gm do you???'

Own that the people who said this guy stunk from day one were 100% correct.  You should be praising them rather then coming up with this schlock.

[Warfish]

Just now, Beerfish said:

This is correct.  The average fan that pays attention to college ball and the draft on this site would have drafted VASTLY better than our last two gms, there is ZERO question about this.

Learn to evaluate and make judgments on players and then live with it.  The people who think every pick we make is awesome sauce look as bad as our failed gms.

At least people who have the balls to judge our picks right away will own it when we are right or wring.  The chickens who refuse to make a judgment or say that every pick is great bleat.  'So you think you are smarter than a pro gm do you???'

Own that the people who said this guy stunk from day one were 100% correct.  You should be praising them rather then coming up with this schlock.

+1

[dbatesman]

50 minutes ago, Pac said:

This thread will go about 20 pages and some people can't go 3 posts without whining about Macc on a given day.  Rest assured there will be thousands of future posts disparaging him.  You'll get much more than a "little time on it".

I'm occasionally embarrassed for some posters if that's what you mean.

 

[FlightBoyz]

Very dissapointed in Polite. Had a terrible camp & pre-season. If G. Williams doesnt see potential than you know this guy was bad. Macc made a bad decision just got to move forward. No reason to gripe over it. Coulda shoulda woulda on Wincovich. Im ready for Luvu to terrorize QBs. Lets do this! 

[sec101row23]

5 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

 

Putrid. 

[Peace Frog]

11 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

This is correct.  The average fan that pays attention to college ball and the draft on this site would have drafted VASTLY better than our last two gms, there is ZERO question about this.

Learn to evaluate and make judgments on players and then live with it.  The people who think every pick we make is awesome sauce look as bad as our failed gms.

At least people who have the balls to judge our picks right away will own it when we are right or wring.  The chickens who refuse to make a judgment or say that every pick is great bleat.  'So you think you are smarter than a pro gm do you???'

Own that the people who said this guy stunk from day one were 100% correct.  You should be praising them rather then coming up with this schlock.

Seriously?

They’re all guessing. 

Nobody here has access to what real NFL GMs and front office people and execs have. 

Access to college coaches, scouts, trainers, agents, other front office execs, film, other coaches, teammates, other players, combines, pro days, medical records everything.

You’re f*cking joking if think some dudes here can do the same job or better. 

These chooches pick up a magazine in March, watch YouTube videos and proclaim themselves experts. 

With “track records” holy sh*t LOLworthy. 

 

[Peace Frog]

16 minutes ago, Warfish said:

+1

Wrong. 

They’re all just amateurs guessing. 

Like you. And Sam Darnold. 

[maury77]

Not really, it was explained over and over why he wasn't a good pick and why he wouldn't succeed at the NFL level. Even our resident Gator didn't like the pick the minute it was submitted. Some people prefer to bury their head in the sand instead of facing reality.

The best way to look at it is we had 2 picks in the round. 1 is a bust, but I’ve been encouraged by Edoga, who I think can start at tackle next year (if he doesn’t push out Shell this year).


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[maury77]

I missed bad on the Polite pick, but it is what it is. He simply can’t play at his current weight. All the burst we saw in the Florida tape was missing. He is better off going back to 235-240 and becoming a third down rush specialist. That’s the most he will ever be.


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[RobR]

4 minutes ago, maury77 said:

The best way to look at it is we had 2 picks in the round. 1 is a bust, but I’ve been encouraged by Edoga, who I think can start at tackle next year (if he doesn’t push out Shell this year).


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I loved the Edoga pick but it still doesn't excuse the Polite pick. Could you imagine if we hit on both of our third rounders? 

[sec101row23]

1 minute ago, RobR said:

I loved the Edoga pick but it still doesn't excuse the Polite pick. Could you imagine if we hit on both of our third rounders? 

Could you imagine hitting on ANY third rounders in the last 5 years?  

[jgb]

4 minutes ago, maury77 said:

I missed bad on the Polite pick, but it is what it is. He simply can’t play at his current weight. All the burst we saw in the Florida tape was missing. He is better off going back to 235-240 and becoming a third down rush specialist. That’s the most he will ever be.


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You are forgiven. You are not a professional. Macc is. He gets no quarter.

[RobR]

27 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

 

It's even worse than I thought, if that is even possible.

[RobR]

3 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Could you imagine hitting on ANY third rounders in the last 5 years?  

Jordan Jenkins who was ironically the only pick I liked that year.

It's amazing how some of us #armchair GMs can do better than a real GM with all of those resources and stuff they have because we're basically all guessing and none of us have track records, even though we lay it out there every single year for all too see......BEFORE the draft.

[RobR]

12 minutes ago, maury77 said:

I missed bad on the Polite pick, but it is what it is. He simply can’t play at his current weight. All the burst we saw in the Florida tape was missing. He is better off going back to 235-240 and becoming a third down rush specialist. That’s the most he will ever be.


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At least posters like yourself own up to your mistakes because we all make them. 

[sec101row23]

4 minutes ago, RobR said:

Jordan Jenkins who was ironically the only pick I liked that year.

It's amazing how some of us #armchair GMs can do better than a real GM with all of those resources and stuff they have because we're basically all guessing and none of us have track records, even though we lay it out there every single year for all too see......BEFORE the draft.

Lol...true.  Way before the draft too, like September and October.   

[RobR]

1 minute ago, sec101row23 said:

Lol...true.  Way before the draft too, like September and October.   

Sometimes years in advance. 

[Bugg]

2 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

Hamstring injuries do not effect speed. 

Then don't run at all. Everything about this guy was red flags. 

[maury77]

I loved the Edoga pick but it still doesn't excuse the Polite pick. Could you imagine if we hit on both of our third rounders? 

I agree that it doesn’t excuse it, I’m just trying to not make myself miserable.


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[Peace Frog]

Have any of these jokers ever met a college coach or a HS coach or a parent to talk about a prospect?

Anyone ever been on 50-75 college campuses to meet players, coaches, teammates, classmates, local reporters?

Any of these armchair GMs have access to medical reports? The background and personality checks the NFL spends millions on?

No. They buy a draft magazine and watch YouTube videos. 

They aren’t draft gurus no matter how much they fantasize to be. 

Pathetic the hubris.

We’re  all just fans guessing. 

[EM31]

6 hours ago, Pac said:

...

The Vikings trading a 5th rounder for a K who they just waived a couple weeks later is a bigger disaster than this...  

I grant that the NFL draft value chart is an imperfect instrument but.... lacking anything better....

The Jets 3rd round pick was worth 250 points and the Vikings 5th rounder was worth 33 points. 

So by that measure, the disaster for the Jets was about 7-8 times more disastrous than the disaster for the Vikings unless there is an effort underway to minimize the value lost to the Jets here.

[kdels62]

6 minutes ago, RobR said:

Sometimes years in advance. 

I’m still pretty sure Luke Falk is gonna be great.

[Peace Frog]

2 minutes ago, Bugg said:

Then don't run at all. Everything about this guy was red flags. 

I’m not his agent. 

 

[Peace Frog]

1 minute ago, kdels62 said:

I’m still pretty sure Luke Falk is gonna be great.

This. 

[Matt39]

35 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

 

Nobody here has access to what real NFL GMs and front office people and execs have. 

Yeah, and if you did, there's a good chance they would have done a better job than Maccagnan. 

[RobR]

1 minute ago, kdels62 said:

I’m still pretty sure Luke Falk is gonna be great.

I loved Falk the junior even with the legitimate concerns about his arm strength. Then his senior year rolled around and he held onto the ball FOREVER and I'm not sure why. Maybe if I had more resources #armchair GM