Theory on What Went Down

[Pac]

Just now, CTM said:

A late 1 next year now is worth a round less than a late 1 in April 2020 

What are you babbling about now?

[Ghost420]

38 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Yes, let's do that as well. Gase is shady I think he could be good at cheating. Let's go.

Gase isnt good at anything but sucking

[Pac]

1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

So to recap:

• Highly touted prospect.
• Not a bust.
• Not injured or injury prone.
• Just turned 24 like a week ago.
• From the Dallas area, and wants to play there. 
• Prior signing and roster bonuses were paid by the Jets so those only hit the Jets' salary caps.
• Contenders in 2019 in need of immediate help on defense.
• Partial salary for the remainder of 2019 = ~$400K
• All of 2020 = ~$3.5MM
• All of 2021 = ~$10-11MM (5th year team option)
• All of 2022 = ~$8MM (1st year of backloaded 4-5 year extension)
• So what does that come to, maybe $25MM (give or take) through the 2022 season?

And their top offer - which was anyone's top offer - was pick 20-25 in next year's draft.

Rationalize to me again how a ****ing safety is worth the 6th overall pick in the draft. 

You forgot that Joe D never called anyone - Dallas called him - and he rejected their stupid offer.

Like I said... spin away...

[JetPotato]

I don't know what happened. But I do know that I'm going to love it when Dallas fails again this season.

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

So to recap:

• Highly touted prospect.
• Not a bust.
• Not injured or injury prone.
• Just turned 24 like a week ago.
• From the Dallas area, and wants to play there. 
• Prior signing and roster bonuses were paid by the Jets so those only hit the Jets' salary caps.
• Contenders in 2019 in need of immediate help on defense.
• Partial salary for the remainder of 2019 = ~$400K
• All of 2020 = ~$3.5MM
• All of 2021 = ~$10-11MM (5th year team option)
• All of 2022 = ~$8MM (1st year of backloaded 4-5 year extension)
• So what does that come to, maybe $25MM (give or take) in cumulative cap hits through the end of the 2022 season?

And their top offer - which was anyone's top offer - was pick 20-25 in next year's draft.

Rationalize to me again how a ****ing safety is worth the 6th overall pick in the draft. 

cc: @Pac

[T0mShane]

Jeff Heath

[New York Mick]

44 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Belichick has won many Super Bowls with unhappy players.

I’d be happy if the Jets won a game

[Pac]

Just now, T0mShane said:

cc: @Pac

Have you no shame?  You've lost.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Pac said:

Have you no shame?  You've lost.

Jeff Heath

[Pac]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Jeff Heath

his name was Robert Paulson

[Jetster]

33 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

What about his poor girlfriend who has to **** him?

Bill has some serious man boobs. I believe she just closes her eyes & pretends she's in a ménage a toir.

[CTM]

13 minutes ago, Pac said:

What are you babbling about now?

A pick next year is typically valued at 1 round less. Reason being is that the team getting JA would he getting 10 games of value this season whereas the Jets get only negative 

[CTM]

15 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

So to recap:

• Highly touted prospect.
• Not a bust.
• Not injured or injury prone.
• Just turned 24 like a week ago.
• From the Dallas area, and wants to play there. 
• Prior signing and roster bonuses were paid by the Jets so those only hit the Jets' salary caps.
• Contenders in 2019 in need of immediate help on defense.
• Partial salary for the remainder of 2019 = ~$400K
• All of 2020 = ~$3.5MM
• All of 2021 = ~$10-11MM (5th year team option)
• All of 2022 = ~$8MM (1st year of backloaded 4-5 year extension)
• So what does that come to, maybe $25MM (give or take) in cumulative cap hits through the end of the 2022 season?

And their top offer - which was anyone's top offer - was pick 20-25 in next year's draft.

Rationalize to me again how a ****ing safety is worth the 6th overall pick in the draft. 

Take that JA haterz!!

[Il Mostro]

52 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Yes, let's do that as well. Gase is shady I think he could be good at cheating. Let's go.

He is not exactly blessed with greatest of poker faces. 

[long time suffering Jets f]

10 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

I don't know what happened. But I do know that I'm going to love it when Dallas fails again this season.

Yep. I can't wait when Brees or Rodgers lights up the Dallas D come playoff time. Then Joe Douglas will be ready to pounce when Jerry calls back.

[Pac]

4 minutes ago, CTM said:

A pick next year is typically valued at 1 round less. Reason being is that the team getting JA would he getting 10 games of value this season whereas the Jets get only negative 

Still no idea what you're talking about..  Are you saying JeRah offered a 2021 1st rounder??  If that's the case no wonder Joe D told him to f off.

[Larz]

So nothing happened?

glad I missed it lol

[Irktusk1957]

37 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Draft a safety at six.
 

Safety goes on to All Pro and Pro Bowl status.

Attempt to trade safety, on a rookie contract, two years later and find out you can’t even get anything more than pick #26 back.

All the evidence you need to know what a bad pick that was and how the league values that position. What a disgrace. 

[Scoop24]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Draft a safety at six.
 

Safety goes on to All Pro and Pro Bowl status.

Attempt to trade safety, on a rookie contract, two years later and find out you can’t even get anything more than pick #26 back.

All the evidence you need to know what a bad pick that was and how the league values that position. What a disgrace. 

 

[BettyBoop]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Draft a safety at six.
 

Safety goes on to All Pro and Pro Bowl status.

Attempt to trade safety, on a rookie contract, two years later and find out you can’t even get anything more than pick #26 back.

All the evidence you need to know what a bad pick that was and how the league values that position. What a disgrace. 

A narrative in desperate search of facts.

[Gen X Jet]

1 hour ago, Gen X Jet said:

So it seems as if all of this started with Jamal:

1) his acolytes signal to Dallas last night he wants to come home.

2) Dallas kicks the tires with the Jets late today (likely lowballing and telling them that their player wants to be moved with the hope that they can use a short time frame against the Jets)

3) Jets verify the report with Jamal's people

3) Jets try to get Baltimore involved (JD's old haunt) but not enough horse to get Dallas up (or more likely Dallas knew the Jets were bluffing since they held the cards knowing Jamal signaled to them he wanted to go to them).

Dallas was never offering two 1's.  They likely offered significantly less knowing they had the leverage of an unhappy Jets player who they know could ruin a locker room with his mouth.  Jets will now never realize full trade potential with this malcontent calling the shots.

Jamal's tweets this afternoon validate all of the above.  Thank you.

[C Mart]

Athletic:

Joe Douglas trained under Ozzie Newsome. Then he worked for Howie Roseman. The Ravens and Eagles organizations taught the first-year Jets general manager numerous lessons about how to handle himself in this job.

Among the most crucial: When a team calls, answer. Always see what they have to say.

A good strategy in theory. Potentially problematic in practice.

Douglas’ phone wouldn’t stop ringing before Tuesday’s 4 p.m. trade deadline. The Jets received calls on running back Le’Veon Bell, receiver Robby Anderson, safety Jamal Adams and others. It set the stage for a fire sale. The Jets were rebuilding.

Yet the Jets didn’t end up trading any of the players they received inquiries about.

So what exactly went down during the wild but ultimately uneventful deadline day?

Here’s an inside look.

What the heck happened with Le’Veon Bell and Jamal Adams?

This wasn’t semantics. There is a significant difference between shopping and listening.

Douglas is the general manager of a bad football team. He inherited a talent-deprived roster. With the Jets 1-6, those around the league connected the dots. Players were available. The Jets had already shipped defensive end Leonard Williams to the Giants. The team did everything but talk openly about Robby Anderson’s availability. So other GMs and executives swooped in to see what else could be found.

I received a call Tuesday morning from a league source regarding the availability of Le’Veon Bell. Teams believed the Jets seemed headed for a full-on rebuild. And several — the Chiefs and Texans more seriously than others— inquired what it would cost to trade for the versatile running back. There were hurdles to clear — mostly Bell’s contract — but they were curious. Suddenly the possibility Bell might be dealt was making its way around league circles.

It became pretty clear what was happening. Douglas, as he confirmed himself during his press conference, is a never-say-never general manager. Every player has a price, and if that price is met, he’ll consider dealing them. Sources said he made it clear to those two teams —  and all others who called — that Bell wouldn’t be cheap. No talks would progress until a first-round pick was on the table.

That didn’t work for Houston. The Chiefs considered it, but the team preferred not to part with one of only five picks in the upcoming draft. They couldn’t figure out a way to fit Bell’s contract into their long-term plans.

News broke that the Jets were “trying to deal” Bell before the deadline. My sources made it clear that was a bit of a stretch.  At no point, sources said, as Douglas later confirmed during his media conference, did the Jets openly shop Bell. Teams called them. Not the other way around. That’s a legitimate and significant difference. When the Jets answered those calls, they let potential buyers know the cost, many balked, and that ended those discussions.

Adam Gase loves Bell and his leadership. Douglas realizes what a player like him brings to the offense and does for his young quarterback. They didn’t want to let Bell go. They had to be convinced to do so with an offer they could not refuse. No deal came close to doing that.

And it’s the same thing that happened with Jamal Adams.

The Cowboys made their push for Earl Thomas overwhelmingly known the last two years, but weren’t able to get anything done. Stephen Jones believes a game-changing safety is a missing piece for his defense. He thought — because of the notion the Jets were selling during the deadline — he might be able to pry Adams away.

Dallas, along with the Baltimore Ravens, sources said, made a legitimate and strong push to acquire Adams. Both attempts were much more serious than anything on the Bell front. Dallas, sources confirmed, as first reported by NFL Network, offered up a first-round pick along with a Day 3 selection. The Jets, though, wanted a first-round selection and two second rounders. Dallas called the Jets up until the final minutes trying to get something done. Douglas wouldn’t budge.

Why? Because Douglas wasn’t looking to trade Adams. He didn’t want to trade Adams. He needed to be blown away by an offer he couldn’t refuse. To him, that mean a one and two twos. The Cowboys wouldn’t go that high, so Douglas stood strong.

That’s listening, not selling.

When it came to Williams and Robby Anderson, the Jets let teams know they were available. They were the ones, sources said, who initiated the conversations. They had no intention of re-signing Williams and liked their depth behind him. They realized they would lose Anderson in free agency, too. So if they could get return compensation that made moving him worthwhile, they’d do the deal.

They got a buyer for Williams (a third and conditional fourth-round pick from the Giants). They didn’t on Anderson. The Raiders were interested, but weren’t willing to part with the Jets’ second-round pick asking price. They offered a four. The Jets believe they can get better (third round) in compensatory value. So they turned Oakland, and others, down.

You can see the distinct difference between the situation with Williams and Anderson, compared to Adams and Bell.

This wasn’t organizational malpractice by Douglas, even if it came off that way because of errant Twitter hysteria. This was him being a smart general manager.

Damage control

Once the deadline passed and the Jets didn’t move Anderson, Bell or Adams, two of the three took to social media with positive remarks. Anderson shared a photo of himself, followed by an entertaining video clip from “Wolf of Wall Street.” Bell, meanwhile, urged fans to stick with the team during this challenging stretch, ensuring all he’s still all-in with the Jets.

“I need everyone to understand, it takes a process to build a winning program, to build a winning organization, Bell said via Instagram. “I’m happy as hell to be a New York Jet. I’m happy to be here despite all the trade rumors and talks. I’m here and I’m happy to be here.

“But everybody just has to have a little bit of patience, just a little bit of patience. If it happened overnight, it would be a bunch of teams snapping their fingers and making it happen. But I understand it take a process.”

Adams took his non-trade a bit differently.

The 24-year-old Pro Bowl safety claimed he had a meeting with Douglas and Gase last week where he stated he wanted to be with the Jets to help them turn this around. But then, Adams said, his agent told him Douglas went “behind his back” to shop him to other teams, “even after I asked him to keep me here.”

A couple of things to dissect here.

The first: Adams needs to realize that whether he stays with the Jets doesn’t have anything to do with him. Just because he wants to be with New York doesn’t mean the Jets will keep him. It’s Douglas’ job to do what’s in the best interest of the team. Keeping Adams is among those things, but if a team like the Cowboys is willing to offer an out-of-this-world package, Douglas won’t ignore the call. It doesn’t matter what Adams wants. A first-round pick and two second rounders would help the Jets an awful lot more than Adams. That’s just a fact. Not to mention, Adams made it known to those around the league he’d welcome a trade to the Cowboys.

Douglas isn’t out here to make Adams happy. He’s here to build the Jets into a winner.

Second: It’s up to Douglas to appropriately portray that to Adams whenever he can get a hold of him. He tried to call him after the trade deadline, as he did with Bell and Anderson, but the two didn’t connect. He needs to let Adams know he wasn’t openly shopping him, but if a team like the Cowboys was willing to part with that much draft capital, Douglas had to listen.

Whether or not Adams is in the Jets’ long-term plans isn’t as crucial as ensuring he’s mentally checked in the remainder of this year. Adams is a leader on this team. He’s someone the younger guys look up to. He’s also an incredibly emotional player. If he’s checked out, it will have a resounding impact on the 52 others in there. This locker room could easily split.

The Jets need to get Adams thinking the same as Bell.

Right now, the sides seem headed for an ugly divorce.

Could something happen in the offseason? 

Douglas said he viewed Adams as someone “absolutely” in his long-term plans. But he also admitted he’d keep answering the phone if teams were interested in acquiring him after the year. Players generally have much more value in the offseason than midseason. It allows coaches to get the player in their system and scheme for an entire year, as opposed to forcing them to learn an entire playbook and develop chemistry within a few weeks.

The Jets won’t re-sign Anderson. Nor will the team tag-and-trade him. He’ll leave via free agency. Adams, though, could be dealt if the Cowboys season doesn’t go as hoped and they view him as the missing piece. Bell, too, could be traded away.

The contract the Jets gave Bell included just an $8 million signing bonus. That’s the only money they’re on the hook for ($6 million remaining). His new team would pick up his remaining base salary ($26 million), roster bonuses ($10.5 million), and per-game bonuses ($1.5 million). You can view the complete breakdown of Bell’s contract, which includes all guarantees here.  The Jets would free $9.5 million with his trade.

The Jets would likely still run into an issue of finding a buyer willing to take on that contract. Said team would inherit a pretty substantial contract for a running back enduring career-lows in near all statistical categories. Bell’s averaging 3.2 yards a carry and is on pace to run for 797 yards. He’s scored two touchdowns (one rushing, one receiving).

Other players the Jets might look to move after the year: Safety Marcus Maye (teams called about him too, sources said) and receiver Jamison Crowder.

Adam Gase safe moving forward

Non-trade talk?

Non-trade talk.

Gase, hired by Christopher Johnson because the Jets CEO believed he was “coaching football to where it was going,” has endured a brutal first season with the Jets. The Jets rank 32nd in total offense, 31st in rushing, 32 in passing, and 31st in scoring. That’s a rut even Jeremy Bates would balk at. It’s enough to have most Jets fans already writing Gase off.

Douglas isn’t among them.

“My stance on Adam hasn’t changed,” Douglas said. “I think Adam is a great coach and a great communicator. I think we all have to do a better job, and I think we all have to look ourselves in the mirror and see what we can do better to help not only Adam, but everyone on this team.”

The idea the Jets could move on from Gase after this season is a bit premature and unlikely. The coach has surrounded himself with people in his corner. He handpicked Douglas. Johnson — even amid this stretch — loves him. Hymie Elhai, New York’s new team president, is a big Gase fan as well.

That’s quite the cocoon of protection. It would take a 1-15 or 2-14 finish, coupled with a locker room mutiny, for the Jets to consider a change. And even then, it isn’t probable.

Christopher Johnson’s unfortunate tape 

A video of the Johnson surfaced recently in which he was shown in a conversation with a fan who had traveled nine hours to watch the Jets take on the Jaguars.

“Hopefully the team will actually show up this week,” he said.

I’ve gotten to know Johnson pretty well the last two-plus years. He found himself unexpectedly thrust into the spotlight when Donald Trump appointed his brother as the U.S. ambassador to the U.K. Johnson has a good sense of humor. He’s honest — especially in his assessment of this team. This is the same guy who said Darnold throwing an interception on the first pass of his career reminded him of “when Bambi’s mom died.”

This remark about “hoping” the team shows up was not malicious. It wasn’t said in vain. It wasn’t a shot at Gase, Douglas or anything of the sort. It was Johnson saying what every fan of his team thought.

Johnson hasn’t met the media this year. He does, however, casually stroll the sidelines at practice and often talks off the record. I’d expect him to break his silence in the coming weeks.

[Jet_Engine1]

19 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Draft a safety at six.
 

Safety goes on to All Pro and Pro Bowl status.

Attempt to trade safety, on a rookie contract, two years later and find out you can’t even get anything more than pick #26 back.

All the evidence you need to know what a bad pick that was and how the league values that position. What a disgrace. 

[Green DNA]

More likely scenario: Following the Williams trade, the perception was that the Jets were having a fire sale and Dallas called with a lowball offer hoping to take advantage of the desperate Jets.  Douglas told them to shove it and that was that.  

[southtown24th]

19 hours ago, Maxman said:

Belichick has won many Super Bowls with unhappy players.

we aint the Patriots.

And we don't got Belichick.

Sounds nice in theory but, we are the Jets and we are coached by Adam Gase.

[TheClashFan]

I hope JD wasn't obstinate in insisting on a first and two seconds for Adams.  He should have been willing to settle for a first and a second, for sure. I'd have dealt him for a first and a third, as long as both picks were in 2020.  Having two firsts, a second, and three thirds would give them a chance to take advantage of a draft supposedly deep in OL and WR.

However, if Dallas only offered their late first, I don't blame him for not dealing at this time.

[Sperm Edwards]

19 hours ago, Pac said:

You forgot that Joe D never called anyone - Dallas called him - and he rejected their stupid offer.

Like I said... spin away...

It's for Joe D to call every team individually instead of just letting it known more broadly that we're having a fire sale and he'd right now trade anyone except Darnold? It's for the other teams to gauge interest, not for the selling team to make 30 phone calls for every player. 

"Do you want Trumaine Johnson? No? OK, what about Le'veon Bell? No again. Hm. How about Robby Anderson? Just a 5th rounder because you wouldn't extend him? Hm, no. How about Jamal Adams? You're interested? Oh, cool."

And this would be after looking desperate by calling how many other teams before Dallas or Baltimore showed any interest at all in parting with more than a 2nd (or mid) round pick, which they're going to hear about indirectly before he got around to calling them firsthand ? 

Lol, you will never be negotiating on my behalf nor selling anything of mine. 

And "spin" is quoting a bunch of facts and addressing none of them while trying to deflect with something that's basically irrelevant to those facts. That's almost a perfect definition.

[Scott Dierking]

22 minutes ago, TheClashFan said:

I hope JD wasn't obstinate in insisting on a first and two seconds for Adams.  He should have been willing to settle for a first and a second, for sure. I'd have dealt him for a first and a third, as long as both picks were in 2020.  Having two firsts, a second, and three thirds would give them a chance to take advantage of a draft supposedly deep in OL and WR.

However, if Dallas only offered their late first, I don't blame him for not dealing at this time.

Quoted several times now is that Dallas offered their 2020 (1), and a 3rd day pick.

[Beerfish]

Too bad this is going to be another case of a coach taking down a potentially good gm.

We can only hope the Cowboys miss the playoffs or get drubbed in a playoff game and then pry a 1st and a 2nd from them at the most.

Jamal Adams is a leader like Santonio Holmes was a leader.

[Pac]

10 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

It's for Joe D to call every team individually instead of just letting it known more broadly that we're having a fire sale and he'd right now trade anyone except Darnold? It's for the other teams to gauge interest, not for the selling team to make 30 phone calls for every player. 

"Do you want Trumaine Johnson? No? OK, what about Le'veon Bell? No again. Hm. How about Robby Anderson? Just a 5th rounder because you wouldn't extend him? Hm, no. How about Jamal Adams? You're interested? Oh, cool."

And this would be after looking desperate by calling how many other teams before Dallas or Baltimore showed any interest at all in parting with more than a 2nd (or mid) round pick, which they're going to hear about indirectly before he got around to calling them firsthand ? 

Lol, you will never be negotiating on my behalf nor selling anything of mine. 

And "spin" is quoting a bunch of facts and addressing none of them while trying to deflect with something that's basically irrelevant to those facts. That's almost a perfect definition.

Nothing you stated is a fact...  It's biased nonsense.  Here are the facts as seen in the article a couple posts above:

 

Dallas, along with the Baltimore Ravens, sources said, made a legitimate and strong push to acquire Adams. Both attempts were much more serious than anything on the Bell front. Dallas, sources confirmed, as first reported by NFL Network, offered up a first-round pick along with a Day 3 selection. The Jets, though, wanted a first-round selection and two second rounders. Dallas called the Jets up until the final minutes trying to get something done. Douglas wouldn’t budge.

Why? Because Douglas wasn’t looking to trade Adams. He didn’t want to trade Adams. He needed to be blown away by an offer he couldn’t refuse. To him, that mean a one and two twos. The Cowboys wouldn’t go that high, so Douglas stood strong.

That’s listening, not selling.

***

No matter how much you and others try and SPIN this, the Jets do not want to part with Jamal for anything less than a kings ransom.  You can pretend that they secretly know he's not valuable if it makes you happy but that does not jibe with the FACTS.

[HighPitch]

19 hours ago, Pac said:

Joe D just took a HUGE dump all over the rabid Jamal haters..  apparently someone didn't tell him you could replace him with a 3rd round pick no problem.

This thread will be 10 pages of guys trying to rationalize why Jamal isn't a premier NFL player rather than see the obvious..  HE IS..  deal with it.  And it will take more than 1 measly low end 1st round pick to get him.

JerRah can try again draft night with a REAL offer if he wants the best S in the game.

lol thats YOUR opinion.

 

Everything (your house, your car, your dog) is worth what people are willing to pay for it. 

 

Why no blockbuster offers then?

 

PS Even if jamal is an "elite" safety.....he is still only a safety. He is nowhere as valuable as an elite edge rusher, elite qb, elite wr, elite LT, even an elite CB for that matter.

 

His position is of little value in the big picture. He can be replaced. Besides...for the love of god....WHERES THE PRODUCTION AND STATS!!!!!!

[rangerous]

so again, adams biggest sin is being drafted much higher than his position warranted.  and the jets chose to keep adams because they would have to find a way to replace him this season and then maybe through the 2020 draft.  they have enough holes so opening up one more, even in this dismal season, isn't going to do them any favors going forward.

the bottom line is getting rid of young good players isn't such a good plan right now.  and just because mac overpaid for them in the draft isn't a reason to criticise them. 

[rangerous]

interesting that the jets don't feel they will re-sign anderson after the season.  maybe they should've taken the 4th from the raiders.

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, Pac said:

Nothing you stated is a fact...  It's biased nonsense.  Here are the facts as seen in the article a couple posts above:

 

Dallas, along with the Baltimore Ravens, sources said, made a legitimate and strong push to acquire Adams. Both attempts were much more serious than anything on the Bell front. Dallas, sources confirmed, as first reported by NFL Network, offered up a first-round pick along with a Day 3 selection. The Jets, though, wanted a first-round selection and two second rounders. Dallas called the Jets up until the final minutes trying to get something done. Douglas wouldn’t budge.

Why? Because Douglas wasn’t looking to trade Adams. He didn’t want to trade Adams. He needed to be blown away by an offer he couldn’t refuse. To him, that mean a one and two twos. The Cowboys wouldn’t go that high, so Douglas stood strong.

That’s listening, not selling.

***

No matter how much you and others try and SPIN this, the Jets do not want to part with Jamal for anything less than a kings ransom.  You can pretend that they secretly know he's not valuable if it makes you happy but that does not jibe with the FACTS.

LOL

OK which is the non-fact from above?

So to recap:

• Highly touted prospect.
• Not a bust.
• Not injured or injury prone.
• Just turned 24 like a week ago.
• From the Dallas area, and wants to play there. 
• Prior signing and roster bonuses were paid by the Jets so those only hit the Jets' salary caps.
• Contenders in 2019 in need of immediate help on defense.
• Partial salary for the remainder of 2019 = ~$400K
• All of 2020 = ~$3.5MM
• All of 2021 = ~$10-11MM (5th year team option)
• All of 2022 = ~$8MM (1st year of backloaded 4-5 year extension)
• So what does that come to, maybe $25MM (give or take) in cumulative cap hits through the end of the 2022 season?

And their top offer - which was anyone's top offer - was pick 20-25 in next year's draft.

 

You tell me, Captain Spin.

 

[greenwave81]

21 hours ago, UnknownJetFan said:

And Jamal is worth more than the number 1 they offered. He has perform like the top 10 pick he was and if not garnishing more than a numer 1 that is likely in the 15-25 range is not worth trading.  

An asset, once obtained, is only worth what someone else is willing to trade you for it.  It's now pretty evident that even an already established team, with an absolute need at JA's position for a pro bowl player on a cost controlled contract for another possibly 3 yrs, doesn't think he's worth more than a low 1st rd pick.  This is the point half of the people on this board are trying to make.

You keep continuing to hold out for a 1 and a 2...but don't hold your breath.

BTW, it's 'garnering', not 'garnishing'...;)