Quinnen Williams arrested for gun possession at JFK. (Update: Confirmed)

[Big_Slick]

On 3/6/2020 at 1:54 PM, southparkcpa said:

There is a reason 95 percent of people work for 5 percent of the people.  It is behavior, determination and morals.  You pick your side, I'll pick mine.

Said the #BernieBro. Socialism has worked so well - actually it's never worked anywhere,

[Biggs]

8 hours ago, Big_Slick said:

Right to Bear Arms

Passed by Congress September 25, 1789. Ratified December 15, 1791. The first 10 amendments form the Bill of Rights

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It's a RIGHT and not a privilege. NY's firearms laws are unconstitutional. 

The bill of rights didn't apply to the States or local government in 1791 or ever.  Only the Federal government.  Without the strict constructionist expansion of the rights under the 14th amendment you would have zero argument on this.

[Beerfish]

34 minutes ago, Big_Slick said:

Said the #BernieBro. Socialism has worked so well - actually it's never worked anywhere,

"We're getting close to a political discussion and I've vowed not to participate in politics's on a football forum. Cough - #VoterID - Cough. "

Well this fine declaration you made one post above aged really well.

[More Cowbell]

12 hours ago, NYJ1 said:

I post this knowing full well I love in the state of Maine. Maine is a constitutional carry state. I have a loaded revolver in every room of my house and I travel with a pistol under the seat. I don't need a permit for anything.

I guess the Pats won't  be stealing anything from you. 

[DonCorleone]

On 3/5/2020 at 11:55 PM, King P said:

Jeez, how ******* stupid can you be to carry a gun around in NYC ??‍♂️

The fact that he was Drafted by the Jets, should give you a general idea of his intelligence level, or lack thereof. We're not into drafting geniuses. 

[Jet Nut]

20 hours ago, southparkcpa said:

It's not money, it's values, work ethic etc.  Williams appears to lack in that area.  I didn’t realize his gun was packed away etc... so yes, my first assessment was a bit harsh now that the news had changed. I assumed he had it with him. 

Dude the guy thought he was compliant, went to do what he was supposed to do, check his gun.  when they found out he only had a permit and the gun shouldn't have been transported he was brought in.  Its all the high and mighty who have turned him into anything from an idiot to a POS who lacks values, work ethic, who's lazy etc who need to look in a mirror and get off their high horse.

Its not this hard, shouldn't be.  At some point when the story comes out, when twitter isn't judge and jury once again, people need to chill out

[southparkcpa]

36 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Dude the guy thought he was compliant, went to do what he was supposed to do, check his gun.  when they found out he only had a permit and the gun shouldn't have been transported he was brought in.  Its all the high and mighty who have turned him into anything from an idiot to a POS who lacks values, work ethic, who's lazy etc who need to look in a mirror and get off their high horse.

Its not this hard, shouldn't be.  At some point when the story comes out, when twitter isn't judge and jury once again, people need to chill out

I thought that;s what I said...   I first thought he simply caried the gun to the airport.  On learning he packed it away, and thought he was compliant I stated " My first response was a bit harsh".  

[Jet Nut]

On 3/9/2020 at 9:38 AM, southparkcpa said:

I thought that;s what I said...   I first thought he simply caried the gun to the airport.  On learning he packed it away, and thought he was compliant I stated " My first response was a bit harsh".  

OK, I guess I missed it.  Thanks then...

Not blaming you either way, just think its funny that most of 15 pages on this comments are as harsh or worse and there aren't many who have taken back the conclusions they jumped to prematurely.  

 

[Sperm Edwards]

Thanks to most here, who have done a good job of not making this a political discussion about whether or not he should or shouldn't have the right to own, carry, transport, whatever with his pistol in NYC. 

To those few who seem to confuse others having the class not to spout off about the wisdom of the law or its intent (from either end), as others not having opinions -- even very strong ones: it is not that insightful to see others' opinions as lesser (or feeling less strongly) because of their silence on the political end, since we've repeatedly asked for precisely that. 

The law is what it is, whether you think it's too strict, not strict enough, or just right. Discuss narrowly based on QW's situation or don't bother discussing it. 

[Jet Nut]

5 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

The law is what it is, whether you think it's too strict, not strict enough, or just right. Discuss narrowly based on QW's situation or don't bother discussing it. 

Well put.  

In only two sentences, I'm impressed.  ?

[Sperm Edwards]

This makes me think of LOTR, when Gandalf said Pippin is a fool, but an honest fool (or whatever the line was). 

It seems he didn't do anything so terrible, so far as he knew, and in his mind he was complying and not being at all secretive or trying to get away with anything. 

It was still a dumbass thing to do. Particularly for a guy who played for a NY team all season. It wasn't so long ago that Plaxico, by shooting himself in the ass, made sure everyone in the country knew how strict the handgun laws are here. And if you don't know them already, holy hell find out before you go to the freaking airport with your weapon, no matter how securely you've packed it up. 

With some luck he'll get a warning because of the situation, fair or unfair compared to others it's happened to. I wouldn't wish others in that precise type of situation to have the book thrown at them either. 

[ZachEY]

17 hours ago, Big_Slick said:

It's a RIGHT and not a privilege. NY's firearms laws are unconstitutional. 

Where'd you get your law degree?

15 hours ago, NYJ1 said:

I post this knowing full well I love in the state of Maine. Maine is a constitutional carry state. I have a loaded revolver in every room of my house and I travel with a pistol under the seat. I don't need a permit for anything.

Wow.  Imagine living in this much fear every single day.

[Sperm Edwards]

12 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Well put.  

In only two sentences, I'm impressed.  ?

That post had more than 2 sentences

[freestater]

3 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

 

Wow.  Imagine living in this much fear every single day.

I have a .45 by the bed and carry a .38. In my defense, I love hanging out at seedy bars with awful people. 

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

That post had more than 2 sentences

Not the point I complimented 

[JustInFudge]

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[BUM-KNEE]

17 hours ago, NYJ1 said:

I post this knowing full well I love in the state of Maine. Maine is a constitutional carry state. I have a loaded revolver in every room of my house and I travel with a pistol under the seat. I don't need a permit for anything.

Everyone has guns up here.

Hey where you at in Maine?

[varjet]

3 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

This makes me think of LOTR, when Gandalf said Pippin is a fool, but an honest fool (or whatever the line was). 

It seems he didn't do anything so terrible, so far as he knew, and in his mind he was complying and not being at all secretive or trying to get away with anything. 

It was still a dumbass thing to do. Particularly for a guy who played for a NY team all season. It wasn't so long ago that Plaxico, by shooting himself in the ass, made sure everyone in the country knew how strict the handgun laws are here. And if you don't know them already, holy hell find out before you go to the freaking airport with your weapon, no matter how securely you've packed it up. 

With some luck he'll get a warning because of the situation, fair or unfair compared to others it's happened to. I wouldn't wish others in that precise type of situation to have the book thrown at them either. 

I understand that, before he was drafted by the Jets, Quinnen had spent little, if any, time in the NY/NJ area.  

Since being drafted by the Jets over 10 months ago, Quinnen has spent at least half of his time here, maybe more.  

I guarantee you that, during most of that time, he illegally had his weapon with him.

That is why the authorities are going to get worked up over this. 

[playtowinthegame]

  

On 3/7/2020 at 7:21 AM, Jet Nut said:

No, you said he was a coward for carrying a gun.

Youre differentiating how?  

Now youre making it about semantics?

Like I said, just say you didnt mean that and move on, don't claim I cant read.

Now move on

You're intentionally changing what I said into a blanket statement. Let me show you what I said again, then I'll juxtapose it next to what you're saying, and you'll see you are clearly playing STRAW MAN.

 

On 3/6/2020 at 10:32 AM, playtowinthegame said:

He isn't smart enough to own a gun. The pussy face needs a gun because he's a coward like most who need to be armed 24/7. 

MY OPINION HERE: What I was saying here is most, NOT ALL, who need to have a gun in their possession 24/7 are likely cowards - the kind that hit the ground in less than 60 seconds once a fight starts. Remember the Joe McKnight shooting? Ronald Gasser was as coward who shot and killed McKnight over some stupid road rage. Take away the gun, and the coward doesn't do anything but keep his window up and drive away.

 

 

On 3/6/2020 at 2:18 PM, Jet Nut said:

All gun owners are cowards?

LOL

Here you are changing what I said to ALL gun owners are cowards. You're intentionally misrepresenting what I said to some blanket statement. smh

 

Now you can move on, or you can continue with your straw man fallacy. 

 

 

 

[Sperm Edwards]

19 minutes ago, varjet said:

I understand that, before he was drafted by the Jets, Quinnen had spent little, if any, time in the NY/NJ area.  

Since being drafted by the Jets over 10 months ago, Quinnen has spent at least half of his time here, maybe more.  

I guarantee you that, during most of that time, he illegally had his weapon with him.

That is why the authorities are going to get worked up over this. 

I don’t disagree, and ignorance is not a defense. 

Except that sometimes it kind of is, and (mandatory minimums notwithstanding) judges make judgment calls when they size up the people — yes, for better or for worse; sometimes too lenient, sometimes not lenient enough, but they’re human. OK some of them are. 

But however anyone feels pro or con about these laws, they’re presumably are there in the interest of public safety, not in the interest of making an example of a good-natured ignoramus who was being totally forthcoming about his suitcase contents. I don’t see this the same as a defense of, “Hey I didn’t know rape was illegal.” Especially something like this where the legality varies so dramatically by jurisdiction (rape is illegal everywhere outside Duke University ).

It’s still his responsibility to know, but I still think it sucks. Basically I’d feel bad for anyone pinched for coming forward. Yeah I’m pre-judging that no small part of the reason - on top of all the other things that seem to have made him a zero risk of being a killer when they slapped the bracelets on him - is because he seems to act like a good-natured dufus who’s always wearing an ear to ear grin & big braces-lined smile. And that has nothing to do with him being on the Jets, who picked him, or where. 

Could be worse. He could be in this same situation with a house/apartment full of kids, without millions of dollars. 

[southparkcpa]

12 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I don’t disagree, and ignorance is not a defense. 

Except that sometimes it kind of is, and (mandatory minimums notwithstanding) judges make judgment calls when they size up the people — yes, for better or for worse; sometimes too lenient, sometimes not lenient enough, but they’re human. OK some of them are. 

But however anyone feels pro or con about these laws, they’re presumably are there in the interest of public safety, not in the interest of making an example of a good-natured ignoramus who was being totally forthcoming about his suitcase contents. I don’t see this the same as a defense of, “Hey I didn’t know rape was illegal.” Especially something like this where the legality varies so dramatically by jurisdiction (rape is illegal everywhere outside Duke University ).

It’s still his responsibility to know, but I still think it sucks. Basically I’d feel bad for anyone pinched for coming forward. Yeah I’m pre-judging that no small part of the reason - on top of all the other things that seem to have made him a zero risk of being a killer when they slapped the bracelets on him - is because he seems to act like a good-natured dufus who’s always wearing an ear to ear grin & big braces-lined smile. And that has nothing to do with him being on the Jets, who picked him, or where. 

Could be worse. He could be in this same situation with a house/apartment full of kids, without millions of dollars. 

Here in the south, when you get a permit, you sign a FEDERAL affidavit stating you know the various limitation of state laws.  So...  he is on thin ice with the ignorance defense.  He is guilty of not wanting to pay attention to a law he most likely signed and stated he understood.

[ChuckkieB]

Quinnen Williams is either a dope for not understanding or knowing the NY state gun laws or he is a bigger dope for knowing what the laws are and intentionally disobeying them.  

Any way you slice it, a dope is a dope is a dope. 

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, playtowinthegame said:

  

You're intentionally changing what I said into a blanket statement. Let me show you what I said again, then I'll juxtapose it next to what you're saying, and you'll see you are clearly playing STRAW MAN.

 

MY OPINION HERE: What I was saying here is most, NOT ALL, who need to have a gun in their possession 24/7 are likely cowards - the kind that hit the ground in less than 60 seconds once a fight starts. Remember the Joe McKnight shooting? Ronald Gasser was as coward who shot and killed McKnight over some stupid road rage. Take away the gun, and the coward doesn't do anything but keep his window up and drive away.

 

 

Here you are changing what I said to ALL gun owners are cowards. You're intentionally misrepresenting what I said to some blanket statement. smh

 

Now you can move on, or you can continue with your straw man fallacy. 

 

 

 

You aren’t going to leave it alone, are youEat it go. You said it, own it 
He’s not a pussy or a coward for owning a gun.  Just like other gun owners.

hows that

[Sperm Edwards]

10 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

Here in the south, when you get a permit, you sign a FEDERAL affidavit stating you know the various limitation of state laws.  So...  he is on thin ice with the ignorance defense.  He is guilty of not wanting to pay attention to a law he most likely signed and stated he understood.

I never said he wasn’t guilty, nor a lack of understanding that law’s ideally supposed to be applied without prejudice.

I still kinda feel bad for him, as it doesn’t seem he was one saying, “F*** the law. I do what I want,” so much as being an ignoramus. I have this image of him sitting in a jail cell, crying, sitting over a puddle of his own pee, waiting for his mom to call his agent to set up a lawyer for him. 

I’m admittedly guilty of prejudging here. I see affable dumbass, not wanna-be hoodlum / future murderer.  

[varjet]

5 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I never said he wasn’t guilty, nor a lack of understanding that law’s ideally supposed to be applied without prejudice.

I still kinda feel bad for him, as it doesn’t seem he was one saying, “F*** the law. I do what I want,” so much as being an ignoramus. I have this image of him sitting in a jail cell, crying, sitting over a puddle of his own pee, waiting for his mom to call his agent to set up a lawyer for him. 

I’m admittedly guilty of prejudging here. I see affable dumbass, not wanna-be hoodlum / future murderer.  

I think the facts look very similar to Da'Quan Bowers.  Bowers was originally charged with the Burress charges.  Queens DA reduced it.  

So for Quinnen, all is not lost, but he is subject to the whim of the Queens DA.

[playtowinthegame]

10 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

You aren’t going to leave it alone, are youEat it go. You said it, own it 
He’s not a pussy or a coward for owning a gun.  Just like other gun owners.

hows that

LMAO you seem "triggered." I actually do OWN what I say, and I just finished torching your lil' straw man. ?

[14 in Green]

18 minutes ago, varjet said:

I understand that, before he was drafted by the Jets, Quinnen had spent little, if any, time in the NY/NJ area.  

Since being drafted by the Jets over 10 months ago, Quinnen has spent at least half of his time here, maybe more.  

I guarantee you that, during most of that time, he illegally had his weapon with him.

That is why the authorities are going to get worked up over this. 

Agreed, and I've said the same thing here.

One more thing I'd like to add here.

It's very possible the DA's Office, and the prosecutor here will look at this case and just like most of us, realize QW had no intention of committing a crime in NYC with this gun. What they do have to do, (and this is where I think Williams is in trouble here because of his "celebrity") is make sure they don't appear in any way to let him off easier then the average person.

This story is going to be covered in the media, and if QW is treated lightly here, what's to stop every Tom, Dick and Harry from bringing unlicensed guns into the city, then claim ignorance or no ill will, and have their lawyer cite the QW case as a precedent?

[Wonderboy]

5 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Dude the guy thought he was compliant, went to do what he was supposed to do, check his gun.  when they found out he only had a permit and the gun shouldn't have been transported he was brought in.  Its all the high and mighty who have turned him into anything from an idiot to a POS who lacks values, work ethic, who's lazy etc who need to look in a mirror and get off their high horse.

Its not this hard, shouldn't be.  At some point when the story comes out, when twitter isn't judge and jury once again, people need to chill out

Wait a minute. So you’re giving this guy a pass for carrying a gun into an airport and relinquishing all responsibility for it because he thought he knew what he was doing but was mistaken? That just don’t fly. He’s been on numerous flights as a college and football player. He’s probably taken that gun along before and if he didn’t, you pick up a phone and ask Hi I have a gun I’d like to take to NY. I’m QW you know the guy who sucked last year,  was picked 3rd and plays for the Jets. What do I need to do to be able to bring my gun.  

[Butterfield]

47 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

You aren’t going to leave it alone, are youEat it go. You said it, own it 
He’s not a pussy or a coward for owning a gun.  Just like other gun owners.

hows that

They aren’t cowards, but in my experience, most people who carry all the time (and there are a lot of people who constitutional carry here) do live in fear.  Most of them would freely admit that.  

[THE BARON]

13 hours ago, Big_Slick said:

Said the #BernieBro. Socialism has worked so well - actually it's never worked anywhere,

Correct indeed.  The argument for socialism is based on the absolute falsehood that wealth causes poverty.  Socialism is also divisive by nature.  In order to give political expression to socialism, the "revolutionaries" will insight by means of creating scapegoats .  Anyone that has a potato washing machine is an exploiter.  Workers, unite and rise up !

[doublel9]

54 minutes ago, varjet said:

I think the facts look very similar to Da'Quan Bowers.  Bowers was originally charged with the Burress charges.  Queens DA reduced it.  

So for Quinnen, all is not lost, but he is subject to the whim of the Queens DA.

Melinda Katz new Queens DA born (1965), raised and lives in Forest Hills Queens. High probability she is Jets/Mets fan, hopefully bodes well for Q. 

Tread lightly, Melinda. Your Jets need big jump from Q in year 2.

 

 

[LIJetsFan]

oops wrong thread...deleted

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, playtowinthegame said:

LMAO you seem "triggered." I actually do OWN what I say, and I just finished torching your lil' straw man. ?

OMG you seem obsessed and incapable of moving on.
Strawman?  Which is it you didn’t mean all gun owners where pussies and cowards or just Q?  Which ridiculous statement do you want to go with?  LOL  
 

Bye
 

 

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, Wonderboy said:

Wait a minute. So you’re giving this guy a pass for carrying a gun into an airport and relinquishing all responsibility for it because he thought he knew what he was doing but was mistaken? That just don’t fly. He’s been on numerous flights as a college and football player. He’s probably taken that gun along before and if he didn’t, you pick up a phone and ask Hi I have a gun I’d like to take to NY. I’m QW you know the guy who sucked last year,  was picked 3rd and plays for the Jets. What do I need to do to be able to bring my gun.  

Actually after reading what happened yes.  Why 15 pages by all having the story wrong and jumping to conclusions is better?  Repeating the actual story is something I should be questioned about? 

Better than the fantasy report about him and Alabama college games etc.  Or seeing a difference because he was the 3rd pick.
 

Think there would be so many dumb comments if he had a DROY type of rookie season

 

 

[playtowinthegame]

9 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

OMG you seem obsessed and incapable of moving on.
Strawman?  Which is it you didn’t mean all gun owners where pussies and cowards or just Q?  Which ridiculous statement do you want to go with?  LOL  
 

Bye