JetsLife Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 If Joey Douglas believes Sam is a special QB (as he mentioned several times, 'feeling the urgency to put a winner around Sam asap') - why not make a little more noise in free agency? Why not re-sign Robbie and add Perriman? Or perhaps another dangerous offensive weapon. From what I've see we did have the cap space for that sort of thing. Or the draft: why not select a dynamic talent like an Edwards-Helaire or Antonio Gibson adding a new dimension to the offense, instead of drafting Ashtyn Davis? Why not trade for Trent Williams like the Niners did, solidifying your o-line even more giving you more draft flexibility? It behooves any organization thinking it has a special QB on a rookie deal, to spend a bit extravagantly while wisely to support said QB, for as long as that rookie deal is in place. Maybe that's the rub - maybe Douglas isn't sold on Darnold & didn't want to build around him all out yet. Totally understandable if so. Sam has showed horribly more than a few times. But as an avowed Sam fanboy I'm duty bound to attribute that also to factors beyond his control. Such as the absolute garbage supporting cast supporting him his first two years - including the '18 Toilet Bowles Admin, and the '19 awful o-line and questionable Gase. Just seems Douglas went to lengths this offseason to support Sam - but didn't finish it out with another dangerous skill weapon or two on offense. I wonder why? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JTJet Posted July 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2020 Because he isnt Mike Tannenbaum. 15 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mogglez Posted July 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2020 Because this organization just fired a GM who did that and proved (for the umpteenth time) that careless spending in FA is not how you properly build a perennial contender. 14 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mogglez Posted July 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, JetsLife said: Or the draft: why not select a dynamic talent like an Edwards-Helaire or Antonio Gibson adding a new dimension to the offense, instead of drafting Ashtyn Davis? Edwards-Helaire was a first round pick. Gibson wasn't on the board when we selected Davis in the third. OP, did you do any research whatsoever before posting this ridiculous tangent or did you just import a custom draft class into Madden and wonder why we couldn't turn off the salary cap, manual trades, and just build a super team? 17 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Sam is only 23 and the team (including him) is clearly not ready to be a contender. JD is doing this the right way. Its not time to splurge with a final push yet. You need a solid, proven roster and splurge on extra key pieces to take you over the top and make that final push. I'm sure JD believes in Darnold, even if he is not 100% sold on him yet. Remember, Darnold has only been in the league 2 seasons. Not a huge sample size. I think Jet fans have this fixed idea of what Darnold has to show before he can be considered a Franchise QB or a bust and thats really not how it works and not how GMs or coaches look at it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, JetsLife said: Maybe that's the rub - maybe Douglas isn't sold on Darnold & didn't want to build around him all out yet. Rebuilt the OL Drafted a monster T with the 1st. A WR with the 2nd. Another OL. A RB. Didnt do anything. Wow 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 That’s not what winning teams do 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Because Darnold needs a good team for the next 15 years not 15 minutes 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post section314 Posted July 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2020 14 hours ago, JetsLife said: If Joey Douglas believes Sam is a special QB (as he mentioned several times, 'feeling the urgency to put a winner around Sam asap') - why not make a little more noise in free agency? Why not re-sign Robbie and add Perriman? Or perhaps another dangerous offensive weapon. From what I've see we did have the cap space for that sort of thing. Or the draft: why not select a dynamic talent like an Edwards-Helaire or Antonio Gibson adding a new dimension to the offense, instead of drafting Ashtyn Davis? Why not trade for Trent Williams like the Niners did, solidifying your o-line even more giving you more draft flexibility? It behooves any organization thinking it has a special QB on a rookie deal, to spend a bit extravagantly while wisely to support said QB, for as long as that rookie deal is in place. Maybe that's the rub - maybe Douglas isn't sold on Darnold & didn't want to build around him all out yet. Totally understandable if so. Sam has showed horribly more than a few times. But as an avowed Sam fanboy I'm duty bound to attribute that also to factors beyond his control. Such as the absolute garbage supporting cast supporting him his first two years - including the '18 Toilet Bowles Admin, and the '19 awful o-line and questionable Gase. Just seems Douglas went to lengths this offseason to support Sam - but didn't finish it out with another dangerous skill weapon or two on offense. I wonder why? JD was probably the hottest young name in the GM market at the time. Why would he take a job if he didn't believe in the young QB taken the year before? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Apparently the OP touched a nerve. It seems like the :Douglas can do no wrong gang" thinks their guy did all he could possibly do in FA, and this team is locked and loaded. What city is the Super Bowl in this year? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 15 hours ago, JetsLife said: If Joey Douglas believes Sam is a special QB (as he mentioned several times, 'feeling the urgency to put a winner around Sam asap') - why not make a little more noise in free agency? Why not re-sign Robbie and add Perriman? Or perhaps another dangerous offensive weapon. From what I've see we did have the cap space for that sort of thing. Or the draft: why not select a dynamic talent like an Edwards-Helaire or Antonio Gibson adding a new dimension to the offense, instead of drafting Ashtyn Davis? Why not trade for Trent Williams like the Niners did, solidifying your o-line even more giving you more draft flexibility? It behooves any organization thinking it has a special QB on a rookie deal, to spend a bit extravagantly while wisely to support said QB, for as long as that rookie deal is in place. Maybe that's the rub - maybe Douglas isn't sold on Darnold & didn't want to build around him all out yet. Totally understandable if so. Sam has showed horribly more than a few times. But as an avowed Sam fanboy I'm duty bound to attribute that also to factors beyond his control. Such as the absolute garbage supporting cast supporting him his first two years - including the '18 Toilet Bowles Admin, and the '19 awful o-line and questionable Gase. Just seems Douglas went to lengths this offseason to support Sam - but didn't finish it out with another dangerous skill weapon or two on offense. I wonder why? I too am upset that we didn't make more Trumaine Johnson-esque big splashes in free agency. They always work out so well in the long run. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Trolly McTrollface said: Apparently the OP touched a nerve. It seems like the :Douglas can do no wrong gang" thinks their guy did all he could possibly do in FA, and this team is locked and loaded. What city is the Super Bowl in this year? Yeah, he ain’t trying till he gets couple guys to come back after retiring. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Trolly McTrollface said: Apparently the OP touched a nerve. It seems like the :Douglas can do no wrong gang" thinks their guy did all he could possibly do in FA, and this team is locked and loaded. What city is the Super Bowl in this year? Or hes just plain wrong? Like you were when you said the same things? Wrong but not really wrong, like you saying the team is locked and loaded. As if doing all you want to do or can do means that. Because you can just want players and poof, they're on your roster. No long term implications in this fantasy, no cap implications. That one you know was to get a rise out of Jet fans, JD fans. You know, trolling 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 15 hours ago, JetsLife said: If Joey Douglas believes Sam is a special QB (as he mentioned several times, 'feeling the urgency to put a winner around Sam asap') - why not make a little more noise in free agency? Why not re-sign Robbie and add Perriman? Or perhaps another dangerous offensive weapon. From what I've see we did have the cap space for that sort of thing. Or the draft: why not select a dynamic talent like an Edwards-Helaire or Antonio Gibson adding a new dimension to the offense, instead of drafting Ashtyn Davis? Why not trade for Trent Williams like the Niners did, solidifying your o-line even more giving you more draft flexibility? It behooves any organization thinking it has a special QB on a rookie deal, to spend a bit extravagantly while wisely to support said QB, for as long as that rookie deal is in place. Maybe that's the rub - maybe Douglas isn't sold on Darnold & didn't want to build around him all out yet. Totally understandable if so. Sam has showed horribly more than a few times. But as an avowed Sam fanboy I'm duty bound to attribute that also to factors beyond his control. Such as the absolute garbage supporting cast supporting him his first two years - including the '18 Toilet Bowles Admin, and the '19 awful o-line and questionable Gase. Just seems Douglas went to lengths this offseason to support Sam - but didn't finish it out with another dangerous skill weapon or two on offense. I wonder why? how do you know douglas didn't pursue those players or trade/draft scenarios? we don't. as far as i can tell, douglas made solid picks and signed solid free agents. and i'd like to point out that there have been many instances of teams loading up on high priced free agents and then falling flat. it's a team game and the players need to play together. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Just now, Jet Nut said: Or hes just plain wrong? Like you were when you said the same things? Wrong but not really wrong, like you saying the team is locked and loaded. As if doing all you want to do or can do means that. Because you can just want players and poof, they're on your roster. No long term implications in this fantasy, no cap implications. That one you know was to get a rise out of Jet fans, JD fans. You know, trolling I think the OP asked a fair question. We have cap space available. Do you think it's trolling for him to ask if Douglas could've done more, or for me to think he asked a fair question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Trolly McTrollface said: I think the OP asked a fair question. We have cap space available. Do you think it's trolling for him to ask if Douglas could've done more, or for me to think he asked a fair question? Cap space doesnt mean you dump the money on players you dont think help the team. Spending money just to spend it today, then better talent, talent that you believe can help today or long term becomes available and you dont have that cap money helps how? Complaining over again that a possible long term solution at QB or a P doesn't help a team when it sure as shlt does? A punter who can flip a fieldd wouldnt help more than a bottom of the draft OL who maybe could stick as a backup? Who is no better than what you can find in FA? And its not the question, its trolling the way you stated it. You know it is, you have to 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 If Joey Douglas believes Sam is a special QB (as he mentioned several times, 'feeling the urgency to put a winner around Sam asap') - why not make a little more noise in free agency? Why not re-sign Robbie and add Perriman? Or perhaps another dangerous offensive weapon. From what I've see we did have the cap space for that sort of thing. Or the draft: why not select a dynamic talent like an Edwards-Helaire or Antonio Gibson adding a new dimension to the offense, instead of drafting Ashtyn Davis? Why not trade for Trent Williams like the Niners did, solidifying your o-line even more giving you more draft flexibility? It behooves any organization thinking it has a special QB on a rookie deal, to spend a bit extravagantly while wisely to support said QB, for as long as that rookie deal is in place. Maybe that's the rub - maybe Douglas isn't sold on Darnold & didn't want to build around him all out yet. Totally understandable if so. Sam has showed horribly more than a few times. But as an avowed Sam fanboy I'm duty bound to attribute that also to factors beyond his control. Such as the absolute garbage supporting cast supporting him his first two years - including the '18 Toilet Bowles Admin, and the '19 awful o-line and questionable Gase. Just seems Douglas went to lengths this offseason to support Sam - but didn't finish it out with another dangerous skill weapon or two on offense. I wonder why? Cause Robbie is a Jag. And Perrinan is a better version of the same type of player. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Savage69 Posted July 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2020 44 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Cap space doesnt mean you dump the money on players you dont think help the team. Spending money just to spend it today, then better talent, talent that you believe can help today or long term becomes available and you dont have that cap money helps how? Complaining over again that a possible long term solution at QB or a P doesn't help a team when it sure as shlt does? A punter who can flip a fieldd wouldnt help more than a bottom of the draft OL who maybe could stick as a backup? Who is no better than what you can find in FA? And its not the question, its trolling the way you stated it. You know it is, you have to JN are you accusing Trolly McTrollface of trolling?? That's like accusing Ted Bundy of being a serial killer.. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, Savage69 said: JN are you accusing Trolly McTrollface of trolling?? That's like accusing Ted Bundy of being a serial killer.. LOL, guess it was.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 17 hours ago, JetsLife said: If Joey Douglas believes Sam is a special QB (as he mentioned several times, 'feeling the urgency to put a winner around Sam asap') - why not make a little more noise in free agency? Why not re-sign Robbie and add Perriman? Or perhaps another dangerous offensive weapon. From what I've see we did have the cap space for that sort of thing. Or the draft: why not select a dynamic talent like an Edwards-Helaire or Antonio Gibson adding a new dimension to the offense, instead of drafting Ashtyn Davis? Why not trade for Trent Williams like the Niners did, solidifying your o-line even more giving you more draft flexibility? It behooves any organization thinking it has a special QB on a rookie deal, to spend a bit extravagantly while wisely to support said QB, for as long as that rookie deal is in place. Maybe that's the rub - maybe Douglas isn't sold on Darnold & didn't want to build around him all out yet. Totally understandable if so. Sam has showed horribly more than a few times. But as an avowed Sam fanboy I'm duty bound to attribute that also to factors beyond his control. Such as the absolute garbage supporting cast supporting him his first two years - including the '18 Toilet Bowles Admin, and the '19 awful o-line and questionable Gase. Just seems Douglas went to lengths this offseason to support Sam - but didn't finish it out with another dangerous skill weapon or two on offense. I wonder why? I know people want that number 1 fantasy football receiver, but in all reality: Perriman, Mims, Crowder, Herndon, Griffin, Bell and possibly Smith/Berrios should be plenty to work with if the O-line is at least average and Sam is the real deal, which I believe he is. Now it's up to Gase to make it work. That being said, I would've liked Joe D to draft at least one more WR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Because FA spending sprees never work, are a poor way to build a team, and are a hallmark of a bad organization (that's why we've grown accustomed to them.) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Because it's a marathon, not a sprint. We sprinted in 2011, exhausted the Cap and the team blew for years. Let's climb the mountain step by step. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 because the team REALLY needs that 30 million in cap space don't ask for why tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Trolly McTrollface said: Apparently the OP touched a nerve. It seems like the :Douglas can do no wrong gang" thinks their guy did all he could possibly do in FA, and this team is locked and loaded. What city is the Super Bowl in this year? If only he were a genius like Dave Gettleman.... P.S. "Joey" Douglas? Really? I bet even his grandparents didn't call him that. The chutzpah... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 18 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Rebuilt the OL Drafted a monster T with the 1st. A WR with the 2nd. Another OL. A RB. Didnt do anything. Wow Ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 He made a very reasonable offer to Robby which he foolishly rejected 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, FidelioJet said: Ha! That terrible GM, Joe! Why couldn't he bring in 5 All-Pro OL in one offseason to replace the 5 awful ones Macc had left behind in starting roles? JD is just the worst! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Imagine reading “why didn’t we draft Clyde Edwards-Helaire?” And agreeing with that point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 22 hours ago, JetsLife said: If Joey Douglas believes Sam is a special QB (as he mentioned several times, 'feeling the urgency to put a winner around Sam asap') - why not make a little more noise in free agency? Why not re-sign Robbie and add Perriman? Or perhaps another dangerous offensive weapon. From what I've see we did have the cap space for that sort of thing. Or the draft: why not select a dynamic talent like an Edwards-Helaire or Antonio Gibson adding a new dimension to the offense, instead of drafting Ashtyn Davis? Why not trade for Trent Williams like the Niners did, solidifying your o-line even more giving you more draft flexibility? It behooves any organization thinking it has a special QB on a rookie deal, to spend a bit extravagantly while wisely to support said QB, for as long as that rookie deal is in place. Maybe that's the rub - maybe Douglas isn't sold on Darnold & didn't want to build around him all out yet. Totally understandable if so. Sam has showed horribly more than a few times. But as an avowed Sam fanboy I'm duty bound to attribute that also to factors beyond his control. Such as the absolute garbage supporting cast supporting him his first two years - including the '18 Toilet Bowles Admin, and the '19 awful o-line and questionable Gase. Just seems Douglas went to lengths this offseason to support Sam - but didn't finish it out with another dangerous skill weapon or two on offense. I wonder why? Maybe they didn't have an offensive line and had to rebuild it numb nuts. Plus they added Perriman, Mims and Perine. Keep reaching though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: Ha! Youre right he didn't, we have the same players on the OL as a year ago. Argue that all you want. Then tell everyone we're not as good. Finish off by telling us where you played. OL. Or coached. Or scouted. Or whatever insight you can give as to why everyone is wrong, we didnt start rebuilding the line with a stud T in the draft, another OL prospect in the draft, a number of FA OL who have to viewed as upgrades. You make those arguments, but give specific reasons other than because or thats what you think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ1 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 23 hours ago, JetsLife said: If Joey Douglas believes Sam is a special QB (as he mentioned several times, 'feeling the urgency to put a winner around Sam asap') - why not make a little more noise in free agency? Why not re-sign Robbie and add Perriman? Or perhaps another dangerous offensive weapon. From what I've see we did have the cap space for that sort of thing. Or the draft: why not select a dynamic talent like an Edwards-Helaire or Antonio Gibson adding a new dimension to the offense, instead of drafting Ashtyn Davis? Why not trade for Trent Williams like the Niners did, solidifying your o-line even more giving you more draft flexibility? It behooves any organization thinking it has a special QB on a rookie deal, to spend a bit extravagantly while wisely to support said QB, for as long as that rookie deal is in place. Maybe that's the rub - maybe Douglas isn't sold on Darnold & didn't want to build around him all out yet. Totally understandable if so. Sam has showed horribly more than a few times. But as an avowed Sam fanboy I'm duty bound to attribute that also to factors beyond his control. Such as the absolute garbage supporting cast supporting him his first two years - including the '18 Toilet Bowles Admin, and the '19 awful o-line and questionable Gase. Just seems Douglas went to lengths this offseason to support Sam - but didn't finish it out with another dangerous skill weapon or two on offense. I wonder why? JD wants to rebuild the OL through the draft. That's why he didn't spend big bucks in FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 57 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Youre right he didn't, we have the same players on the OL as a year ago. Argue that all you want. Then tell everyone we're not as good. Finish off by telling us where you played. OL. Or coached. Or scouted. Or whatever insight you can give as to why everyone is wrong, we didnt start rebuilding the line with a stud T in the draft, another OL prospect in the draft, a number of FA OL who have to viewed as upgrades. You make those arguments, but give specific reasons other than because or thats what you think You said he “rebuilt” the Oline - signing a bunch of back ups to 1 year deals isn’t exactly a rebuilt line. McGovern was a good signing, but that’s really all. And we downgraded at Tackle. Too many see a bunch of new names and faces and are acting like just because they’re new they’re going to be good. The Oline will still be bottom ten in the league - if you think that’s rebuilt then so be it. But I find it comical that you would believe that - hence the Ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ1 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 6 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: Because FA spending sprees never work, are a poor way to build a team, and are a hallmark of a bad organization (that's why we've grown accustomed to them.) The Jets spending spree in 2008 flies directly in the face of your assertions. That was a great FA haul and set the Jets up for the success of 2009 and 2010 going deep into the playoffs. It's most certainly NOT the hallmark of a bad team so long as you choose the right players at the right price. So spending sprees most certainly DO work if coupled with successful drafting which coincidentally the Jets had been successful drafting in 2006 and 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 32 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: You said he “rebuilt” the Oline - signing a bunch of back ups to 1 year deals isn’t exactly a rebuilt line. McGovern was a good signing, but that’s really all. And we downgraded at Tackle. Too many see a bunch of new names and faces and are acting like just because they’re new they’re going to be good. The Oline will still be bottom ten in the league - if you think that’s rebuilt then so be it. But I find it comical that you would believe that - hence the Ha! rebuild verb (used with object), re·built or (Archaic) re·build·ed; re·build·ing. to repair, especially to dismantle and reassemble with new parts: to rebuild an old car. to replace, restrengthen, or reinforce: to rebuild an army. to revise, reshape, or reorganize: to rebuild a shattered career. I asked you to be specific, how and why are sure that you know more than JD at T? Give me something other than hes a downgrade and why. What makes you say that the OL will be bottom of the league? Facts, reasons, or just your usual "because" when the fact is every player signed is better than the player they replaced or will replace, have a history of being better than what we had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Personally I think he could have done just a tad better in the draft, especially in the later rounds. I would have liked another weapon in this deep WR class but truly can't complain. I nitpicked the drafting of Morgan but other than that, he did damn good. Perhaps the best draft in a decade or more, if everyone stays healthy and develops. I also think people are underrating Perine. If he gets an opportunity, with our revamped OL, I think he will have a some "splash" plays and demonstrate he could be our future feature back. I'm glad JD didn't overspend in FA. As we have seen over and over again, you build teams through the draft, not free agency. It looks like we finally have a FO who gets that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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