KC Cuts

[Jet Nut]

Chiefs just cut LT Jeff Fisher and RT Mitchell Schwartz

Wow

 

[Jetlife33]

Wow is right 

[Rhg1084]

That’s ridiculous especially after we just saw how they did without those 2 guys in the Super Bowl. Fisher is still only 30 and elite. I would love to give him a contract and put him on the right side of the line. Douglas is in an enviable position with all this cap room 

[Tranquilo]

Fisher would be great, but I don't think he'll move to RT. And it seems like Schwartz will retire.

[section314]

Mahommes gonna go Russell Wilson now? JD, erase the Texans #.?

[chad2coles]

Eric Fisher tore his achilles in the AFC Championship game.  He's like 320 and 6'7.  How long is going to take for him to get back on the field?  They wouldn't cut him if they thought they could count on him for next year.

[PLO]

Both cuts save them something like $18 million against the cap? They're still over it BTW. 

[DepressedJetsFan23]

Sheesh, its stuff like this that reminds you of how important managing salaries is in the NFL. Manipulating/designing contracts is almost as important as drafting. New England most definitely did this the best. 

[Irish Jet]

Mahomes should demand a trade tonight. 

[ScarletKnight89]

This is a good off season to have a lot of cap room. There's really no excuse for this team to be substantially better in 2021. We have a lot of draft capital and a lot of money that we can spend in FA. Obviously you want to spend the money wisely but if JD approaches this Free Agency the way he approached last years, it'll be very disappointing. 

[chad2coles]

https://arrowheadaddict.com/2021/03/01/kc-chiefs-news-eric-fisher-injury-update-achilles-mid-august-return/

[Scotty Wooty Doo Doo]

AGREED !!!!! (All Caps)

This is a good off season to have a lot of cap room. There's really no excuse for this team to be substantially better in 2021. We have a lot of draft capital and a lot of money that we can spend in FA. Obviously you want to spend the money wisely but if JD approaches this Free Agency the way he approached last years, it'll be very disappointing. 

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[Jet Nut]

15 minutes ago, chad2coles said:

Eric Fisher tore his achilles in the AFC Championship game.  He's like 320 and 6'7.  How long is going to take for him to get back on the field?  They wouldn't cut him if they thought they could count on him for next year.

March 1, 2021

K.C. Chiefs general manager Brett Veach says left tackle Eric Fisher is expected back by mid-August.

[jetspenguin]

now that does mix up da sauce a lil bit

[RichardTodd27]

Fischer is only 30 (and still one of the better Tackles). He'll eventually get paid.

Wonder how KC addresses their Tackle issue. They're still over the cap.

[PS17]

Holy crap, that is brutal. This salary cap drop has been a league wide bloodbath. Luckily the Jets don’t have this problem and are $70 million under the cap because they have no good players.

[DepressedJetsFan23]

24 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

This is a good off season to have a lot of cap room. There's really no excuse for this team to be substantially better in 2021. We have a lot of draft capital and a lot of money that we can spend in FA. Obviously you want to spend the money wisely but if JD approaches this Free Agency the way he approached last years, it'll be very disappointing. 

agreed, pushes even further the idea that this offseason will show us what JD really is

[chad2coles]

8 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

March 1, 2021

K.C. Chiefs general manager Brett Veach says left tackle Eric Fisher is expected back by mid-August.

Veach just cut him and he's got a half a billion dollar investment to protect.  I just think this is a really tough recovery and he's not going to be able to work out like he would in a normal offseason.

 

[nycdan]

KC's top 7 players account for about $130M against the cap.  That's really top-loaded.  And there isn't an easy out for them that I can see other than maybe trading Mathieu who is in the last year of his contract and would save them $14.8M.  It wouldn't shock me to see that happen.  I'm assuming Hill, Kelce, Clark and Jones are untouchable.  If not, then their window is closing faster than I had imagined.

 

[UnknownJetFan]

37 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

That’s ridiculous especially after we just saw how they did without those 2 guys in the Super Bowl. Fisher is still only 30 and elite. I would love to give him a contract and put him on the right side of the line. Douglas is in an enviable position with all this cap room 

Tough one. Fisher tore his achilles in the AFC title game and is 30. I'd pass.

[PS17]

1 minute ago, nycdan said:

KC's top 7 players account for about $130M against the cap.  That's really top-loaded.  And there isn't an easy out for them that I can see other than maybe trading Mathieu who is in the last year of his contract and would save them $14.8M.  It wouldn't shock me to see that happen.  I'm assuming Hill, Kelce, Clark and Jones are untouchable.  If not, then their window is closing faster than I had imagined.

 

The league has to fix the salary cap to a degree. Maybe when you resign homegrown players, have it only count 50% toward the cap. It’s ludicrous that these teams who find franchise quarterbacks and build great teams around them immediately have to dismantle them within a few years to fit under the cap. 

[Beerfish]

QBs demand 100 million bucks and take up huge cap for a team.

A year or two later QBs and media blast teams for not retaining talent.

QBs demand to be GMs

Qb demand to be traded

NFL is becoming the nauseatingly awful NBA very quickly.

 

[chad2coles]

1 minute ago, nycdan said:

KC's top 7 players account for about $130M against the cap.  That's really top-loaded.  And there isn't an easy out for them that I can see other than maybe trading Mathieu who is in the last year of his contract and would save them $14.8M.  It wouldn't shock me to see that happen.  I'm assuming Hill, Kelce, Clark and Jones are untouchable.  If not, then their window is closing faster than I had imagined.

 

There isn't going to be a big trade market for players with large cap hits.  There are only a few teams that aren't up against the cap.  But after these new TV contracts are signed, the cap is going to go up real fast.  It had already gone up about $10M/year.  I wouldn't be surprised to see it shoot up $25M next year.

[chad2coles]

1 minute ago, PS17 said:

The league has to fix the salary cap to a degree. Maybe when you resign homegrown players, have it only count 50% toward the cap. It’s ludicrous that these teams who find franchise quarterbacks and build great teams around them immediately have to dismantle them within a few years to fit under the cap. 

This solution doesn't make any sense.

[nycdan]

5 minutes ago, RichardTodd27 said:

Fischer is only 30 (and still one of the better Tackles). He'll eventually get paid.

Wonder how KC addresses their Tackle issue. They're still over the cap.

So I expect their #31 pick has to be used on an OT.  Here's an idea.  Maybe a guy drops to #23 that they really want... 

Otherwise they will have to scour the FA wire and pick up cheap guys and hope for the best. They might get an older guy who is willing to play below his value to chase a ring.  Maybe Beachum or Okung? or if they get lucky, someone like Daryl Williams who is younger and still really good.

Sadly, we may see more of what we saw in the Super Bowl.  Good for the AFC.  But it was a fun team to watch.

 

 

[BigRy56]

Insane. Mahomes just got ****ed in the Superbowl...

[Jetsfan80]

46 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Chiefs just cut LT Jeff Fisher and RT Mitchell Schwartz

Wow

 

 

2 more guys who were on my list of possible/likely cuts!

 

On 2/17/2021 at 11:32 AM, Jetsfan80 said:

A more comprehensive, ranked list of potential cap casualties, just from the teams in the most cap hell and using overthecap.com and football reference's AV as a guide.  Some of these are far more likely to shake loose than others, and several will have to be designated post-June 1 cuts or traded for them to happen:

1. RT Ryan Ramczyk (Saints)
2. DT Cameron Heyward (Steelers)
3. LT Eric Fisher (Chiefs)
4. WR Davante Adams (Packers)
5. LT Riley Reiff (Vikings)
6. RT Mitchell Schwartz (Chiefs)
7. CB Marshon Lattimore (Saints)
8. CB Tyrann Mathieu (Chiefs)
9. CB Kyle Fuller (Bears)
10. LT Charles Leno (Bears)
11. FS Harrison Smith (Vikings)
12. FS Kevin Byard (Titans)
13. DE Brandon Graham (Eagles)
14. RT Rob Havenstein (Rams)
15. CB Jordan Poyer (Bills)
16. C Ben Jones (Titans)
17. DE Jerry Hughes (Bills)
18. DT Akiem Hicks (Bears)
19. DT Michael Brockers (Rams)
20. WR Robert Woods (Rams)
21. TE Zach Ertz (Eagles)
22. LB Kwon Alexander (Saints)
23. CB Janoris Jenkins (Saints)
24. OLB Anthony Barr (Vikings)
25. G Cody Whitehair (Bears)
26. DT David Onyemata (Saints)
27. G Gabe Jackson (Raiders)
28. WR John Brown (Bills)
29. CB Micah Hyde (Biills)
30. CB Malcolm Butler (Titans)
31. OT Trent Brown (Raiders)
32. CB Lamarcus Joyner (Raiders)
33. RT Bobby Massie (Bears)
34. ILB A.J. Klein (Bills)
35. FS Kenny Vaccaro (Titans)
36. TE Jimmy Graham (Bears)
37. TE Kyle Rudolph (Vikings)
38. OT/G Ricky Wagner (Packers)
39. DT Malcom Brown (Saints)
40. G James Carpenter (Falcons)
41. WR Tyrell Williams (Raiders)
42. OLB Christian Kirksey (Packers)
43. RB Latavius Murray (Saints)
44. DE Derek Barnett (Eagles)
45. WR Adam Humphries (Titans)
46. TE Eric Ebron (Steelers)
47. QB Marcus Mariota (Raiders)
48. CB Adoree' Jackson (Titans)
49. G Richie Incognito (Raiders)
50. CB Ricardo Allen (Falcons)
51. G Isaac Seumalo (Eagles)
52. WR DeSean Jackson (Eagles)
53. DT A'Shawn Robinson (Rams)
54. DT Quinton Jefferson (Bills)
55. DT Vernon Butler (Bills)
56. DB Buster Skrine (Bears)
57. TE Vance McDonald (Steelers)
58. WR Marquise Goodwin (Eagles)
59. S Jeff Heath (Raiders)
60. RB Jalen Richard (Raiders)
61. WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling (Packers)
62. DL Allen Bailey (Falcons)

 

[nycdan]

5 minutes ago, chad2coles said:

There isn't going to be a big trade market for players with large cap hits.  There are only a few teams that aren't up against the cap.  But after these new TV contracts are signed, the cap is going to go up real fast.  It had already gone up about $10M/year.  I wouldn't be surprised to see it shoot up $25M next year.

Yes.  and a lot of players may be willing to play on one-year deals this year rather than sign long term.  It gives the Jets, Jags, Pats and Colts a short window to sign some good players longer term because we're the only teams able to do it.

[Jet Nut]

20 minutes ago, chad2coles said:

Veach just cut him and he's got a half a billion dollar investment to protect.  I just think this is a really tough recovery and he's not going to be able to work out like he would in a normal offseason.

 

I think its more a matter of shaving money off of their cap. 

 

[Gangrene]

The 2020 version of Mahomes only counted a little over 5 Million in the first year of his new contract.

2021 Mahomes cap number rises to 24M. By 2023 his cap number is at 42.4M

The window is starting to close already for Kansas City to continue to dominate.

Even with a superstar at QB and the cap continuing upwards next year, they have to hit consistently in the draft to stay on top.

 

[SAR I]

If Joe Douglas continues to not spend money the Jets won't ever have this problem.  

SAR I

[section314]

17 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Yes.  and a lot of players may be willing to play on one-year deals this year rather than sign long term.  It gives the Jets, Jags, Pats and Colts a short window to sign some good players longer term because we're the only teams able to do it.

They are so close.....would be maybe the most desirable place for the big ticket guys.

[Guilhermezmc]

1 hour ago, Rhg1084 said:

That’s ridiculous especially after we just saw how they did without those 2 guys in the Super Bowl. Fisher is still only 30 and elite. I would love to give him a contract and put him on the right side of the line. Douglas is in an enviable position with all this cap room 

Fisher is not elite wtf, for a number one overall pick he's a bust. Schwartz o the other hand, JD better have the bag ready

[Jet Nut]

21 minutes ago, Gangrene said:

The 2020 version of Mahomes only counted a little over 5 Million in the first year of his new contract.

2021 Mahomes cap number rises to 24M. By 2023 his cap number is at 42.4M

The window is starting to close already for Kansas City to continue to dominate.

Even with a superstar at QB and the cap continuing upwards next year, they have to hit consistently in the draft to stay on top.

 

And as the cap climbs up to $300+ mil in the next 5 years, the deal looks awfully different

[prime21]

I'm hoping behind the scenes that JD predicted last year that the cap would be much lower in 2021 and knew not to spend their money on big contracts.   Two steps ahead!