choon328 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, JiFapono said: Meh, disagree, kids got talent. 2019 he was suspended, then IR, no offseason in 2020, never really got a rhythm going in Gase's offense that didnt really leverage the TE and his QB's were terrible. For the most part, I'm giving anyone on offense a pass after what was going on here for the last 2 years. Herndon 100% flashed as a rookie. Herndon was absolutely the worst TE on the roster last year. He was consistently dropping passes and he offers nothing in the run game. The Jets should cut him loose. He offers nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: You are wrong about literally everything. hahahahahahahahahah - I own you. I've literally been smacking your terrible takes around for years. Stamps to prove it. BOW DOWN TO YOUR MASTER but first share those drugs your on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Just now, choon328 said: Herndon was absolutely the worst TE on the roster last year. He was consistently dropping passes and he offers nothing in the run game. The Jets should cut him loose. He offers nothing Who was the good TE on the roster last year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, choon328 said: How ironic that you're saying this haha SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Untouchable said: 4th: Jabril Cox - LSU 4th: OC Drew Dalman - Stanford 5th: RB Khalil Herbert - Virginia Tech 5th: FB Ben Mason - Michigan 6th: TE Zach Davidson - Central Missouri 6th: PK Jose Borregales - Miami The we can all go home and start working on that statue of Joe Douglas. Great stuff. I’m going to steal yours as a template for mine because they’re so similar. 4th: LB Jabril Cox - LSU 4th: OC Drew Dalman - Stanford 5th: EDGE Shaka Toney - Penn State 5th: FB Ben Mason - Michigan 6th: LB Buddy Johnson - Texas A&M 6th: RB Kene Nwangwu - Iowa State I kept flip flopping on including Davidson but Toney’s potentially really interesting as an athletic team captain who’s maybe a LEO fit and I just don’t think Davidson makes it to the sixth. Would love it if they land him though. Also thought seriously about including Demar Hamlin and Nick Niemann and think Larnel Coleman is firmly in play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, JiFapono said: SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY! Somebody had to say it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, choon328 said: Herndon was absolutely the worst TE on the roster last year. He was consistently dropping passes and he offers nothing in the run game. The Jets should cut him loose. He offers nothing Herndon is TE1. And will have a great season in this offense. Embrace it. Idk why ppl hate on him, because he didn’t perform like Kittle with Sam Darnold and Gase? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Treehorn Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Bronx said: Do you sleep? This is a clear indication of a bot to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GanggreenMountaineer Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 I saw both of these posted and if either played out I could be happy with them both.... I think they both have value and potential. 4th: LB Jabril Cox - LSU 4th: OC Drew Dalman - Stanford 5th: RB Khalil Herbert - Virginia Tech 5th: FB Ben Mason - Michigan 6th: TE Zach Davidson - Central Missouri 6th: PK Jose Borregales - Miami 4th: LB Jabril Cox - LSU 4th: OC Drew Dalman - Stanford 5th: EDGE Shaka Toney - Penn State 5th: FB Ben Mason - Michigan 6th: LB Buddy Johnson - Texas A&M 6th: RB Kene Nwangwu - Iowa State I would be shocked if we don't see a trade or two as JD may target a guy and move up OR not love anyone available when we are on the clock and move down. Joe D seems very flexible and willing to deal.... and IMHO... I trust Joe D and his trades. For the first time in a long time I don't feel like the JETS get fleeced with every trade they make. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge4Tide Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 In the unlikely event the Jets stick will all 6 of their current picks, this is my wild ass guess.... Round 4 Pick 2 (107) Jabril Cox, LB, LSU Pick 38 (143) Kary Vincent, CB, LSU Round 5 Pick 2 (146) Jaret Patterson, RB, Buffalo Pick 10 (154) Kylen Granson, TE, SMU Round 6 Pick 2 (186) Jamien Sherwood, S, Auburn Pick 42 (226) Isaiah McDuffie, LB, Boston College Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, JiFapono said: Meh, disagree, kids got talent. 2019 he was suspended, then IR, no offseason in 2020, never really got a rhythm going in Gase's offense that didnt really leverage the TE and his QB's were terrible. For the most part, I'm giving anyone on offense a pass after what was going on here for the last 2 years. Herndon 100% flashed as a rookie. Great take. It should be completely obvious to give every single player on this offense a pass until evaluated next year in our new scheme. Gase left Miami and all of a sudden players got so much better. Literally all of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, Shockwave said: Great take. It should be completely obvious to give every single player on this offense a pass until evaluated next year in our new scheme. Gase left Miami and all of a sudden players got so much better. Literally all of them. Yeah but he can’t catch. That’s his big problem, Gase’s offense isn’t the problem there. you just can’t have a poor blocking TE that can’t catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, Ghost said: We really need to give up the thought of Herndon doing ANYTHING. He’s literally useless. He’s not a good player and he does not create mismatches anywhere. He’s simply not good. 8 minutes ago, JiFapono said: Meh, disagree, kids got talent. 2019 he was suspended, then IR, no offseason in 2020, never really got a rhythm going in Gase's offense that didnt really leverage the TE and his QB's were terrible. For the most part, I'm giving anyone on offense a pass after what was going on here for the last 2 years. Herndon 100% flashed as a rookie. I def. gotta agree. Herndon's been through a lot with the suspension and injury. Weather his fault or not. 2020 was truly a s***tstorm, especially for him as he was coming back from injury, no otas, lack of targets, useless offense, drops. They didn't target him nearly enough, especially when all the WRs were down, Darnold ran around like a chicken with his head cut off, the o-line leaked from the inside, it was a mess. Then when they finally went to him he had some drops and they completely went away from him again. I think he got dinged up again, then towards the end of the season Darnold finally starts getting a bit of rhythm with him and Gase decides to go away from him. I remember watching late in the season thinking ok, Herndon just had a good game, they're gotta target him now, make sure they get him involved, but nope, run the ball, throw it to Berrios. I was dumbfounded. We know Herndon is a talented TE who can make really nice catches. I mean he's athletic enough to make plays after the catch and get open in the NFL and he's got really nice hands when he's not in his head. He can also block. He needs to be able to stay on the field and you need to actually involve him to get production out of him. As far as drafting a TE. Maybe later but not with the 2nd pick in the 4th. I mean, Brevin Jordan is on the board but there's really no high upside TE that I know of left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Yeah but he can’t catch. That’s his big problem, Gase’s offense isn’t the problem there. you just can’t have a poor blocking TE that can’t catch. This is simply untrue. Herndon has shown he can make some amazing catches. He is a good pass catching TE. And he can block. Where is this coming from that he is a poor blocking TE? He's not. He's fine at it. It's never been an 'issue' for him. Drops haven't always been an issue either. Not in school, not his rookie season. They began when he was suspended, then came back and immediately got injured. Then stepped into a Gase mess with a ton of pressure and Sam running for his life because of bad o-line play and no receivers. I believe he then got injured again. It was a s***storm for him. He needs to figure out how to stay on the field is what he needs to do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Claw Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 I’m still shocked at JD picking three offensive players with the first three picks. Happy, just surprised. I do think we see more defense on the back end here, but at some point they have to take a kicker, right? The kicking game has been frightening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Looks like Zach is already in New York with the team. This is shaping up to be something special. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Long Island Leprechaun said: Gainwell overachieved in college. He'll be pedestrian in the pro's. Ellerson Smith is also mediocre. But a great name. Well, depends on where he ends up and how he is used. Thats true of a lot of players that go this late. Washington Football Team drafted Antonio Gibson in Rd. 2 (a reach IMO) last year who was more explosive but has similar traits. Gainwell is versatile like that, if you use him as a RB and receiver, moving him around all over the field you can get a good amount of production out of Gainwell and he'll be a nice offensive threat, even if in a backup RB role. Now, personally I really like Khalil Herbert. I think if we can get him with our late 4th or early 5th that would be fantastic. He's a perfect fit for that RB by committee role in the zone heavy scheme. Great cut back ability and burst through the hole. He's got great balance which makes him hard to tackle. Nice vision to run inside. And he's got enough speed to break one or beat you around the edge. Not elite speed but good enough. Def not a bell-cow back. Doesn't give you much in the pass game. But good value in Rd. 4-5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, PepPep said: This is simply untrue. Herndon has shown he can make some amazing catches. He is a good pass catching TE. And he can block. Where is this coming from that he is a poor blocking TE? He's not. He's fine at it. It's never been an 'issue' for him. Drops haven't always been an issue either. Not in school, not his rookie season. They began when he was suspended, then came back and immediately got injured. Then stepped into a Gase mess with a ton of pressure and Sam running for his life because of bad o-line play and no receivers. I believe he then got injured again. It was a s***storm for him. He needs to figure out how to stay on the field is what he needs to do. Sorry, but he drops far too many passes. Did his rookie year too - just this place was way too in love with him to notice. He did make a couple of great catches that year too, I agree. His hands are not reliable enough to be counted on. I certainly wouldn’t want a 3rd and 6 ball going to him, knowing there’s a relatively good chance he drops it. As for blocking, if you can’t count on him in the.passing game - there are plenty of cheap, superior blocking options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevisIsland610 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 50 minutes ago, choon328 said: Herndon was absolutely the worst TE on the roster last year. He was consistently dropping passes and he offers nothing in the run game. The Jets should cut him loose. He offers nothing He did show flashes in his rookie year but last year wasn't good. I would give him another year, especially with a new QB, since we don't have a lot at TE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 I could see us trading for Ertz today. The TE market is horrible and he should be very cheap for a year or two. Crowder for Ertz?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 51 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said: Herndon is TE1. And will have a great season in this offense. Embrace it. Idk why ppl hate on him, because he didn’t perform like Kittle with Sam Darnold and Gase? Because he’s absolutely atrocious and when he wasn’t dropping balls last year he was fumbling after the catch. At least on the few occasions where he wasn’t invisible. He doesn’t deserve a roster spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Can someone kindly explain the “will” and “mike” references here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 55 minutes ago, derp said: Great stuff. I’m going to steal yours as a template for mine because they’re so similar. 4th: LB Jabril Cox - LSU 4th: OC Drew Dalman - Stanford 5th: EDGE Shaka Toney - Penn State 5th: FB Ben Mason - Michigan 6th: LB Buddy Johnson - Texas A&M 6th: RB Kene Nwangwu - Iowa State I kept flip flopping on including Davidson but Toney’s potentially really interesting as an athletic team captain who’s maybe a LEO fit and I just don’t think Davidson makes it to the sixth. Would love it if they land him though. Also thought seriously about including Demar Hamlin and Nick Niemann and think Larnel Coleman is firmly in play. I’d be down with this. Fills a lot of needs but not reaching for any of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevisIsland610 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: Because he’s absolutely atrocious and when he wasn’t dropping balls last year he was fumbling after the catch. At least on the few occasions where he wasn’t invisible. He doesn’t deserve a roster spot. Yes because we have such a plethora of such amazing TE's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 55 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said: Herndon is TE1. And will have a great season in this offense. Embrace it. Idk why ppl hate on him, because he didn’t perform like Kittle with Sam Darnold and Gase? I swear you don't watch the games 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jets Voice of Reason said: I’d be down with this. Fills a lot of needs but not reaching for any of them. All team captains and can run too so it *feels* realistic instead of hoping for the guys who fell because of character/medical/poor testing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, JiFapono said: Meh, disagree, kids got talent. 2019 he was suspended, then IR, no offseason in 2020, never really got a rhythm going in Gase's offense that didnt really leverage the TE and his QB's were terrible. For the most part, I'm giving anyone on offense a pass after what was going on here for the last 2 years. Herndon 100% flashed as a rookie. Don't forget about his 98% drop rate last year. Hopefully that improves... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Why would you cut Hernson? He costs nothing, even as a backup he costs nothing. He is as likely to improve as any 5th rounder. you keep him, give him a real training camp with a real offense and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 43 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Yeah but he can’t catch. That’s his big problem, Gase’s offense isn’t the problem there. you just can’t have a poor blocking TE that can’t catch. You underestimate his intangibles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, HighPitch said: Can someone kindly explain the “will” and “mike” references here. Will = weak side linebacker. Usually a smaller/faster player than runs down backs from behind the play. Think Derrick Brooks Mike = middle linebacker. Stout run stuffer/leader The faster the better imo. Think Ray Lewis/Urlacher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 What times does this thing start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Just now, The Crusher said: What times does this thing start. In two hours 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, RevisIsland610 said: Yes because we have such a plethora of such amazing TE's. Some literally make the team worse with their presence. The thin air doesn’t drop passes and fumble at will. He’s a disgrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Not really true. Yeah you're not likely to get a pro-bowler but you this is where you can get some very useful depth. This part was a disaster last year so Douglas must improve. Perine is the worst pick we've made since Hackenberg, The whole 4th round was a disaster considering who else he could have gotten in that area so I am with you on this, I have some trepidation he is going to go off the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 6 hours ago, clayton163v said: Elijah Mitchell is 5' 10" 215 but plays much bigger. He has elite 4.35 speed but - despite that tremendous speed - is really a between the tackles workhorse. A two-down back who neither blocks or catches well, he is a no nonsense north-south runner who fits a zone scheme as a one-cut runner to the hole. He can help us and I would grab him in the 5th if we have not taken a back. Clearly we have to grab this guy and stay with the trend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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