Carolina Fan: Your sloppy seconds...

[ultraJETfan]

Lmao I've been lurking over their on the Huddle so its funny to see you here plus I'm pretty sure you were the guy that wouldn't stop praising PJ during and after the Colts game lol.

[PS17]

PJ Walker is the black Brett Ratliff

[slimjasi]

I have a fear that Sam will have a career day against us because I am a miserable Jets fan with years of experience watching stuff like that happen to us on a yearly basis. I also think our defense is in shambles given that our two most promising edge rushers heading into the season are already done for the year. 

Having said that:

1) Sam has been a bottom 3 starter since he entered the league 

2) I thought we beat up the p*ssy getting as much as we got for him. 

[ultraJETfan]

6 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I have a fear that Sam will have a career day against us because I am a miserable Jets fan with years of experience watching stuff like that happen to us on a yearly basis. I also think our defense is in shambles given that our two most promising edge rushers heading into the season are already done for the year. 

Having said that:

1) Sam has been a bottom 3 starter since he's entered the league 

2) I thought we beat up the p*ssy getting as much as we got for him. 

Can't be serious. Sam lost to a winless team. 

 

 

Twice.

[slimjasi]

3 minutes ago, ultraJETfan said:

Can't be serious. Sam lost to a winless team. 

 

 

Twice.

Indeed. 

But the Jets are the Jets. I didn't say my fear was rational. But, like I said, I'm a damaged Jets fan. 

[genot]

1 hour ago, nycdan said:

Fair point.  There was some debate here before the draft about keeping Darnold and drafting Pitts instead of trading Sam and drafting Wilson.  Nobody is debating that anymore.  

Personally I would have gone Fields if I were CAR, but having said that, I do appreciate the draft picks your guys sent over.

The debates over. No conclusions can be drawn. Both teams haven t played a game yet.

[Dcat]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Darnold has a fair amount of natural ability and athleticism. He will show flashes and show promise. He was in a bad situation here and with Joe Brady and the Carolina weapons I think he'll have statistically his strongest season with you guys.

That said, having watched every Darnold NFL start:

1) He's a bad decision maker and will always turn the ball over at a higher rate than is sustainable.

2) There's nothing comfortable and fluid about him. He's just kind of wonky in his mechanics and footwork.

3) He doesn't make the easy, consistent throws you routinely need to make, even if he's capable of making a big throw here or there.

4) I would be extremely surprised if you guys weren't in the market for a new starter in 2022.

^This says it all rather accurately.

[nycdan]

2 minutes ago, genot said:

The debates over. No conclusions can be drawn. Both teams haven t played a game yet.

I disagree.  Every conclusion has been drawn.  

At this point, knowing what we know now about Wilson, not a single rational Jets fan would trade him and CAR's 2022 2nd rounder right now for Darnold and Pitts.  

[Awesumtenor]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Gase is the worst offensive coach I've ever seen…

 

Clearly you weren’t here for the Rich Kotite era…or the Lou Holtz era, for that matter…

 

 

[genot]

Just now, nycdan said:

I disagree.  Every conclusion has been drawn.  

At this point, knowing what we know now about Wilson, not a single rational Jets fan would trade him and CAR's 2022 2nd rounder right now for Darnold and Pitts.  

We know nothing about Wilson we didn't know 3 months ago. He's got a great arm, quick release, and is accurate when he has time. 

[JohnnyLV]

It took me almost to the end of his third season to realize that Sam is just not a good QB.

He is physically gifted and has that ow ability to make plays outside of scheme, and is very good at throwing on the run both right and left which is rare for a QB.

These traits make him an exciting prospect.

Much of Sam's reputation comes from a single game, the ridiculous Rose Bowl he had. After that, and with his off schedule ability  he was annointed as a franchise guy and presumptive number one pick.

Sam is helped by being a good guy, has great parents and he is someone you want to root for.

But Sam has been rated at or below the bottom of all starting QBs for his 3 years for a reason..

First people ignored the obvious red flags in college that he was not an accurate passer and was turnover prone.

Part of the early excitement with Sam is he learned to protect the football and not fumble like right away so it seemed obvious that he was a fast learner and would improve quickly in the accuracy and turnover areas. But that never happened.

Sam has a few innate flaws to that he never improved upon.

1. He is very slow at processing information. He does not go through reads quickly, if at all

2. He has poor field vision. He does not identify open receivers, nor does he recognize situations where the cover guy is in position to make a play. So he makes the same turnover mistakes over and over.

3. He is just not very accurate especially on schedule. His long ball is very poor and he as limited touch. He does not throw with anticipation. One could argue he is actually MORE accurate on the run when he is just trying to make a play

4. But the biggest issue with Sam is this. I call it the "micro pause". He does not see a receiver open and then instantly get the ball out like you see from elite QBs. Instead he takes like an extra little tick or 2 before he actually throws the ball. So even though his release motion is quick enough that little pause to confirm he wants to pull the trigger costs him maybe 1-3 10ths of a second. Not a lot, but in the NFL enough for the window on the receiver to close, or for a defender to make a move for a PBU or INT. If you want an example of this, look at his 1 pass from the weekend. He has a WIDE open Anderson but he still does like three little stutters before releasing the ball. I do not think that ever goes away.

Sam was rated 42nd in the NFL as a starter for 2 reasons. One he had the worst offensive mind in football running the offense. Never has a coach ridden the coattails of an elite QB more than Gase. But second he is not very good. You could argue that he was a worse QB in year 3 than in year 1.

But people still see the Rose Bowl guy and want to blame Gase and his lack of weapons as the reason he did not develop. Those things are absoutely true but it does not mean he will become a good QB with more weapons and better coaching. If you just the watch the NFL player he is, that is very very unlikely.

Footnote: Carolina selecting CB at #8 was one of the dumbest moves of all time. First they had their choice of Jones or Fields, or they could have drafted a player to help Sam. They did neither and repeated a mistake the Jets made 3 years earlier. 

[freestater]

Hope you guys lose a lot this year. It'll make that 2nd rounder high as possible. I'll root for Sammy to do well after that. He's a likable guy. 

[Icer]

He is not a natural at the position. Footwork is all over the place, doesnt read the field well, slow to get the ball out, easily flustered. He does have relatively good athleticism but not exceptional like a Josh Allen, the only thing exceptional about him is having fans make excuses for his performance. He can make a few wow plays in both good and bad directions, ala throwing a pick into triple coverage or breaking a 50 yard td run.

I would expect 15+ turnovers if he stays healthy all year. Which is also no guarantee. 

I would be very surprised to see him succeed in Carolina to the point where they arent looking to upgrade again in a year or two.

[JustInFudge]

1 hour ago, CpSinceDay1 said:

Hello, I'm a regular off the Huddle. Right now, there's a topic of y'all trashing Darnold. Surely it's because we play each other in week 1. But I was curious to know, would Jets fans be more afraid of PJ Walker than Sam Darnold???

See, I'm pulling for PJ to take over as QB1 by end of the season, hopefully after 4 games, I never believed in S.A.M. and I belvieve the Jets finessed us out of a 2nd round, but most importantly, we passed on Fields for Darnold...

And based off the rookie preseason debuts, does Wilson give y'all more hope than Darnold did?

Does Darnold really have a learning disability, or was Gase really that bad???

 

Oyea...only chance of y'all winning is Darnold...other than that have a nice day#keeppounding

 

 

Hello, nice to meet you, welcome to the board.

Sam Darnold is a boogie boarder.  Not sure if you know that our not but it's a fact.  Some how the scouts didnt sniff this out in the process but it explains everything.  Therefore, PJ has a very good opportunity to win that job because Sam Darnold is total bonehead.

That said, it was written in stone the day this game was scheduled that the Panthers are going to route the Jets led by a 300 yard/3 TD game from Sam and Robby will contribute to half those yards and at least 1, probably 2 of those TD's because Jets.

 

 

[defensedoesntgetyoulaid]

Defense Wins Championships forgot to ask so as his number one fan I'll step in. 

Before posting again could you provide the following pieces of information:

• Your screen name on your Panthers message board
• The amount of years you've been posting there
• Two forms of I.D. such as a passport
• A stool sample that's been sculpted into the facial image of your favorite Panthers player*

(* when submitting this, please overdub the video with a sample of 'Hello' by Lionel Richie)

[Grandy]

1. I fear Darnold more than Walker because revenge game. 

2. Wilson has done very well so far in preseason and shown a lot that can carry over to successful regular season, but I'm not gonna anoint him yet. Gonna let him just do his thing and then make judgements from there.

3. Gase was definitely a handicap on Darnold. Terrible schemer and adapter. However I noticed Darnold did have a self correction issue at certain points. He had poor mechanics and made bad decisions that were independent of Gase/bad supporting cast. He was still bottom of the league when kept clean and had a variety issues with the fundamentals of the position. He's definitely a full on reclamation project, but can still succeed. However it may take time and patience, which is harder to ask for with a 4th year guy.

[jgb]

49 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I have a fear that Sam will have a career day against us because I am a miserable Jets fan with years of experience watching stuff like that happen to us on a yearly basis. I also think our defense is in shambles given that our two most promising edge rushers heading into the season are already done for the year. 

Having said that:

1) Sam has been a bottom 3 starter since he entered the league 

2) I thought we beat up the p*ssy getting as much as we got for him. 

There is a good chance Sam has his best game of the year or maybe his career against us week 1. Our defense will be abysmal.

[SR24]

I knew Sam was done after his 3rd drive against Buffalo to open the year last year. Easy guy to root for but he’s just not that good 

[kevinc855]

54 minutes ago, PS17 said:

Blowing up your own spot, kev?

I know not being a blind JD homer makes me a troll....we been through this...nexttttt

[jgb]

18 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

Hello, nice to meet you, welcome to the board.

Sam Darnold is a boogie boarder.  Not sure if you know that our not but it's a fact.  Some how the scouts didnt sniff this out in the process but it explains everything.  Therefore, PJ has a very good opportunity to win that job because Sam Darnold is total bonehead.

That said, it was written in stone the day this game was scheduled that the Panthers are going to route the Jets led by a 300 yard/3 TD game from Sam and Robby will contribute to half those yards and at least 1, probably 2 of those TD's because Jets.

 

 

The boogie board thing actually does explain a ton. As I explained at the time: any 20 year old athlete from SoCal who doesn’t surf is a beta cuck. Not a leader of men. It’s like being from Vail and preferring tobagganing to skiing/snowboarding.

[JustInFudge]

9 minutes ago, defensedoesntgetyoulaid said:

Defense Wins Championships forgot to ask so as his number one fan I'll step in. 

Before posting again could you provide the following pieces of information:

• Your screen name on your Panthers message board
• The amount of years you've been posting there
• Two forms of I.D. such as a passport
• A stool sample that's been sculpted into the facial image of your favorite Panthers player*

(* when submitting this, please overdub the video with a sample of 'Hello' by Lionel Richie)

[JustInFudge]

Just now, jgb said:

The boogie board thing actually does explain a ton. Anyone from SoCal who doesn’t surf is a beta cuck. Not a leader of men.

Yep.  100% legit.  I would have taken him off my board altogether if I were a GM and knew about this vicious character flaw. 

[jgb]

Just now, JiFapono said:

Yep.  100% legit.  I would have taken him off my board altogether if I were a GM and knew about this vicious character flaw. 

Not sure if you’re being sarcastic but have an upvote  

[HighPitch]

1 hour ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

There are only 32 starting NFL QBs. 

Sam Darnold ranked 42nd in QB Rating last year. 

Meaning that 9 backup QBs were better than him last year.

The biggest problem that I had with Sam Darnold wasn't his on the field play. He was surrounded by F- crap for 3 years. 

My biggest problem was how instead of saying "no comment" he continued to praise and suck off Adam Gase during his each and every interview.  He let Adam Gase bring him down along with him in NY and Sam couldn't care less. 

He's a follower and not a leader because no leader supports ADAM GASE.  

Did I expect for Sam Darnold to attack Adam Gase like Jamal Adams did to the media? No. But his public display of Adam Gase support was disgusting. 

And he's dumber than a box of rocks too. Which is why he's only played 2 snaps during your Preseason; because he can't learn an NFL playbook.  

In closing he'll never be a natural QB. Because he grew up playing Linebacker throughout all of little league and went into HS as an LB too until being converted into an HS QB; by that time it was too late and you can tell just by the way he throws a Football.

He looks mentally confused just trying to throw practice rep footballs. 

he looks like kenneth keith kallenbach

[PS17]

6 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

I know not being a blind JD homer makes me a troll....we been through this...nexttttt

[JohnnyLV]

6 minutes ago, jgb said:

There is a good chance Sam has his best game of the year or maybe his career against us week 1. Our defense will be abysmal.

I realize I am a homer Jets fan, but I do not think our defense will be abysmal. I think it will give up yards but do OK on points. I also think or offense will score which makes the opposing offense more predictable.

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

I realize I am a homer Jets fan, but I do not think our defense will be abysmal. I think it will give up yards but do OK on points. I also think or offense will score which makes the opposing offense more predictable.

If we don’t give up a ton of points it’ll only be because our offense can’t score and teams go run heavy in 2nd halves.

I hope our defense threatens to break records for points-allowed. It’ll mean our offense is scoring.

[NamathToCaster]

Get used to hearing "Yea" and "For sure"  and " I will look at tape and get better" game after game.

[slimjasi]

1 hour ago, Lupz27 said:

It doesn’t matter who your QB 1 is week 1 Carolina will put up like 500 passing yards easy.

[CpSinceDay1]

Where I'm from we give folks pie...wish I could ? everyone in this thread. Loved the responses...

So it seems to me, basically, to sum things up, if we lose week 1...

Would that makes us the Carolina Jets?

*Robbie n Sam*

[genot]

Is this another Sam Darnold thread. It is 

[ZachEY]

49 minutes ago, CpSinceDay1 said:

Where I'm from we give folks pie...wish I could ? everyone in this thread. Loved the responses...

So it seems to me, basically, to sum things up, if we lose week 1...

Would that makes us the Carolina Jets?

*Robbie n Sam*

Feelings on the Anderson extension?

Had a good start to the year, but faded, and only ended up with 3 TDs.

This site was pretty mixed on letting him go.

[doitny]

3 hours ago, CpSinceDay1 said:

Hello, I'm a regular off the Huddle. Right now, there's a topic of y'all trashing Darnold. Surely it's because we play each other in week 1. But I was curious to know, would Jets fans be more afraid of PJ Walker than Sam Darnold???

See, I'm pulling for PJ to take over as QB1 by end of the season, hopefully after 4 games, I never believed in S.A.M. and I belvieve the Jets finessed us out of a 2nd round, but most importantly, we passed on Fields for Darnold...

And based off the rookie preseason debuts, does Wilson give y'all more hope than Darnold did?

Does Darnold really have a learning disability, or was Gase really that bad???

 

Oyea...only chance of y'all winning is Darnold...other than that have a nice day#keeppounding

 

 

i pop on your forum every so often to see how you guys like Sam. i think you made a huge mistake not drafting a QB at 8th. i think if Sam does what Sam does it will cost the jobs of Rhule, Brady and Tepper.

why do you think Sam will be good? cause of Gase, the OL, the WRs??

you got a serious problem when your QB needs all-pros at all those positions. 

and whats up with the poo? you guys cant say the word sh*t? what is Zod a religious guy who doesnt like the word?

i hope so or you Carolina people talk funny.....

this is bull-poo

oh poo. Sam threw another interception

dont make me come there to beat the poo out of you....

LMFAO.....

[jgb]

52 minutes ago, CpSinceDay1 said:

Where I'm from we give folks pie...wish I could ? everyone in this thread. Loved the responses...

So it seems to me, basically, to sum things up, if we lose week 1...

Would that makes us the Carolina Jets?

*Robbie n Sam*

 

 

Building a team from Jets castoffs is like going for the chess club’s sloppy seconds.

[jgb]

5 minutes ago, doitny said:

i pop on your forum every so often to see how you guys like Sam. i think you made a huge mistake not drafting a QB at 8th. i think if Sam does what Sam does it will cost the jobs of Rhule, Brady and Tepper.

why do you think Sam will be good? cause of Gase, the OL, the WRs??

you got a serious problem when your QB needs all-pros at all those positions. 

and whats up with the poo? you guys cant say the word sh*t? what is Zod a religious guy who doesnt like the word?

i hope so or you Carolina people talk funny.....

this is bull-poo

oh poo. Sam threw another interception

dont make me come there to beat the poo out of you....

LMFAO.....

Trading for Sam was a forgivable sin. Picking up his 5th year option was an egregious unforced error. And I agree, it will cost jobs in Carolina.