SuicidalSince98 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Some facts - Moore and lefleur got into it before he requested a trade - Garrett Wilson’s comments post game seemed directed at the offensive game plan - Saleh yesterday said that he was late due to some personal issues going on with staff (hmmm) - When asked if changes would include a change at play caller Saleh sort of paused and didn’t definitively shut the door on that Wilson not being able to hit the backside of a barn aside, I think the big problem here is LeFleur 5 16 2 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LockeJET Posted November 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2022 When you have a quarterback that should absolutely not be playing, there isn’t a coordinator in the world that can help him. 12 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbt Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 yes MLF is the problem, besides scheming WRs to be open, he needs to tell Zach who and when to throw to them. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrcoops Posted November 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2022 I'm old enough to remember when MLF was a genius, and on the shortlist for future HC openings. I think it was around week 7 or 8. 1 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post More Cowbell Posted November 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Some facts - Moore and lefleur got into it before he requested a trade - Garrett Wilson’s comments post game seemed directed at the offensive game plan - Saleh yesterday said that he was late due to some personal issues going on with staff (hmmm) - When asked if changes would include a change at play caller Saleh sort of paused and didn’t definitively shut the door on that Wilson not being able to hit the backside of a barn aside, I think the big problem here is LeFleur Seriously, how can you even judge ML with Wilson playing this bad? It's like trying to judge a formula one race car and putting your 90 year old grandmother behind the wheel. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warfish Posted November 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: I think the big problem here is LeFleur Of course you do. Because you think Zach Wilson is dreamy. 2 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 minute ago, More Cowbell said: Seriously, how can you even judge ML with Wilson playing this bad? It's like trying to judge a formula one race car and putting your 90 year old grandmother behind the wheel. Especially since we've seen people successfully run the system with way less talent last year. The mental gymnastics at play here is impressive in a way. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jets Voice of Reason said: Especially since we've seen people successfully run the system with way less talent last year. The mental gymnastics at play here is impressive in a way. It’s not mental gymnastics or a defense of Wilson. I dgaf what happens to Wilson. I’m simply worried that our Oc blows chunks and there is a lot of evidence pointing at that. You are so blinded by your wilson hate that you can’t see any other issues with the team. 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigB Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 I think some of the WRs are still running the wrong routes and Garrett Wilson was referring to Mims and Moore when questioning who was dedicating themselves to understanding the playbook. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Claw Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Why does the blame have to fall on one thing? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 22 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Some facts - Moore and lefleur got into it before he requested a trade - Garrett Wilson’s comments post game seemed directed at the offensive game plan - Saleh yesterday said that he was late due to some personal issues going on with staff (hmmm) - When asked if changes would include a change at play caller Saleh sort of paused and didn’t definitively shut the door on that Wilson not being able to hit the backside of a barn aside, I think the big problem here is LeFleur Saleh didn’t hesitate at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Saleh didn’t hesitate at all. Agree it was a quick response. Not zach wilson "no" quick, but sufficiently quick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Zach didn't play well, and the run game has been non-existent against NE the past 2 games. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted November 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2022 31 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Some facts - Moore and lefleur got into it before he requested a trade - Garrett Wilson’s comments post game seemed directed at the offensive game plan - Saleh yesterday said that he was late due to some personal issues going on with staff (hmmm) - When asked if changes would include a change at play caller Saleh sort of paused and didn’t definitively shut the door on that Wilson not being able to hit the backside of a barn aside, I think the big problem here is LeFleur Not being able to hit the back side of a barn aside? The big problem is LeFleur? I sent my pet rock to kindergarten. Still can’t read. Teacher sucked! 1 1 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lith Posted November 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2022 I don't know what to think of Lafleur. He has certainly not succeeded in bringing Wilson along, but is that on Lafleur or it on Wilson. It is not Lafluer's fault that Zach chose to run rather than throw to a wide open Denzel Mims in the EZ in Q2 Sunday. It is not Lafleur's fault that Zach sailed one 5 feet over Tyler Conklin's head into the arms of Devin McCourty who dropped it. It is not Lafleur's fault that Wilson threw one into the ground 6 feet in front of an open Elijah Moore, past the sticks on a 3rd down throw. It is not Lafleur's fault that Wilson did not throw to an open Moore past the sticks on the 3rd down play before the game ending punt. It is not Lafleur's fault that Wilson sailed one 6-8 feet above Braxton Berrios' head in the flat. I don't know if Lafluer is good or not because his QB has not been capable of consistently running an NFL offense. 18 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 I haven't seen this much stretch since the 2019 Yoga Expo at the Javits Center 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbudiarjo Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 the offensive game plan can suck, and the QB can suck, and the OL can suck. All can be true. When an offense only gets 100 yds there are a lot of problems, besides the QB. Mentioning other issues on offense besides the QB doesn't mean you think the QB is good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 yeah, no 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 36 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Some facts - When asked if changes would include a change at play caller Saleh sort of paused and didn’t definitively shut the door on that This is not a fact but an assumption. My read on his response is that he was surprised he even got asked that question. He said no change in play caller. Changes might be made in what plays get called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 26 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Some facts - Moore and lefleur got into it before he requested a trade - Garrett Wilson’s comments post game seemed directed at the offensive game plan - Saleh yesterday said that he was late due to some personal issues going on with staff (hmmm) - When asked if changes would include a change at play caller Saleh sort of paused and didn’t definitively shut the door on that Wilson not being able to hit the backside of a barn aside, I think the big problem here is LeFleur Interesting take, but I disagree. LaFleur is an excellent coach. I think LeFleur is caught up in the drama that is descending from JD's office. It looks like LeFleur is the problem but it is JD. JD is not admitting mistakes with Becton and Zach Wilson. This is all about JD's pride of authorship in his draft picks. He wont admit to himself or anyone else that he made monumental mistakes with those two picks. That refusal to admit those mistakes takes the form of not trying to deal Becton before the 2022 season started even if he only got a set of steak knives for him and also shuving Zach Wilson down LeFleur's throat. In turn, LeFleur has to water down the offense to protect the football. Anyone who has watch Wilson play can understand LeFleur's measures. Those messures in turn limit the offense and piss off the wide receivers. Because of this, the team was near a revolt and Saleh had to take action. I'm guessing he stepped up and did what he had to in order to prevent a roster-wide explosion and the loss of the season. He got up in JD's face and told him where to stick ZW. It probably got hot. So... LeFleur just looks like the guy that has been the issue, but he was just following orders. All along, it was JD's insistence on sticking with his #1 draft pick. The massive revolt was on the way and we all saw it leaking out with G. Wilson and Mimms and others. Saleh who is all gas, saw that it was time to put the breaks on the descent to destruction. I would have LOVED to be there for that "meeting". I bet it was hot. 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankiepapa Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 I think whoever saw the video that Kurt Warner did can clearly see that this is all about on field execution... the qb has been bad, and not defending him but the first play he reviewed, Garrett Wilson missed his block on a rub route... that little thing creates an incomplete pass...so EVERYBODY is accountable... but I really think Lafleur has some decent plays/concepts in place but it's up to the 11 guys on the field to execute Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, THE BARON said: Interesting take, but I disagree. LaFleur is an excellent coach. I think LeFleur is caught up in the drama that is descending from JD's office. It looks like LeFleur is the problem but it is JD. JD is not admitting mistakes with Becton and Zach Wilson. This is all about JD's pride of authorship in his draft picks. He wont admit to himself or anyone else that he made monumental mistakes with those two picks. That refusal to admit those mistakes takes the form of not trying to deal Becton before the 2022 season started even if he only got a set of steak knives for him and also shuving Zach Wilson down LeFleur's throat. In turn, LeFleur has to water down the offense to protect the football. Anyone who has watch Wilson play can understand LeFleur's measures. Those messures in turn limit the offense and piss off the wide receivers. Because of this, the team was near a revolt and Saleh had to take action. I'm guessing he stepped up and did what he had to in order to prevent a roster-wide explosion and the loss of the season. He got up in JD's face and told him where to stick ZW. It probably got hot. So... LeFleur just looks like the guy that has been the issue, but he was just following orders. All along, it was JD's insistence on sticking with his #1 draft pick. The massive revolt was on the way and we all saw it leaking out with G. Wilson and Mimms and others. Saleh who is all gas, saw that it was time to put the breaks on the descent to destruction. I would have LOVED to be there for that "meeting". I bet it was hot. Becton hasn't played, what has shown that he's not admitting that mistake? they have moved on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 How many ******* places do we need to argue the same points? I don't believe any of this trolly sh*t. Wilson was horrible. Super horrible in both Pats games. Let's see if he comes to life against a sh*tty Bears team. If he is truly being a bitch about it, the way everybody claimed yesterday after the pressers, then they should bench him like they did with Moore. This board swaying back and forth from firing everybody to being scared they will be poached by other teams and back is exhausting. Pro tip: Please put some humor in your silly trolling. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Post your GIF's if you got 'em! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, batman10023 said: Becton hasn't played, what has shown that he's not admitting that mistake? they have moved on. They could have dealt him in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 34 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: You are so blinded by your wilson hate that you can’t see any other issues with the team. This kind of says it all about you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 51 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Some facts At what point do we stop being polite to you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 24 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Not being able to hit the back side of a barn aside? The big problem is LeFleur? I sent my pet rock to kindergarten. Still can’t read. Teacher sucked! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 22 minutes ago, Claymation said: Zach didn't play well, and the run game has been non-existent against NE the past 2 games. The run game against NE was not productive because the BB and the Pats focused on shutting down the run due to their very well founded understanding that they had nothing to worry about from ZW. Quite the contrary. Every time the ball is in Wilson's hand, it is a big bonus for the Pats defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbudiarjo Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, frankiepapa said: I think whoever saw the video that Kurt Warner did can clearly see that this is all about on field execution... the qb has been bad, and not defending him but the first play he reviewed, Garrett Wilson missed his block on a rub route... that little thing creates an incomplete pass...so EVERYBODY is accountable... but I really think Lafleur has some decent plays/concepts in place but it's up to the 11 guys on the field to execute Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk I agree. There are so many things going wrong on offense, and the QB is not good enough to over come a single thing going wrong. Which is still not a defense of the QB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 20 minutes ago, cbudiarjo said: the offensive game plan can, and the QB can suck, and the OL can suck. All can be true. When an offense only gets 100 yds there are a lot of problems, besides the QB. Mentioning other issues on offense besides the QB doesn't mean you think the QB is good. The QB touches the ball every play. Some say it all starts with the OL but the QB is close behind. If you are calling plays and your QB is not executing them when you have WRs streaking uncovered into the EZ and your QB doesn't throw the ball, instead runs it himself, how do you expect there to be better numbers than what you said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Zach has been the biggest problem with the offense. tough to argue against that anymore. The OL hasn't been good against the Pats, the run game hasn't been good against the Pats - but Zach is done here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtnelson Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Zach was unbelievably terrible in the game. But looking at the big picture, the guy from QB School, and now Kurt Warner are both saying that the offense as a whole is... questionable at best, and lacking execution as well even when the plan is good. Could Zach have overcome this and hit guys when they were there? Absolutely. He had the plays there. Is it 100% on Zach? I don't think so either. Zach was horrible, but there is plenty to look at in the game where improvements could potentially be made to the offense as a whole. All can be true. Zach can suck, MLF's plan could have been bad and the offensive players around Zach could have not executed creating a perfect storm of suckitude. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Some facts - Moore and lefleur got into it before he requested a trade - Garrett Wilson’s comments post game seemed directed at the offensive game plan - Saleh yesterday said that he was late due to some personal issues going on with staff (hmmm) - When asked if changes would include a change at play caller Saleh sort of paused and didn’t definitively shut the door on that Wilson not being able to hit the backside of a barn aside, I think the big problem here is LeFleur 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Blame the OC? Nah that’s not what’s going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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