Interesting ZW take on GameDay

[Matt39]

6 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

End this thread. Can’t take these kinda dumb takes. 

Literally everyone has anxiety.

[PS17]

1 hour ago, maury77 said:

This isn’t comforting news

Yes it is. He’s a lost cause and we can cut bait easily. 

[Jetsplayer21]

1 hour ago, PorP said:

Ian Raapaport and Mike garafolo just reported ZW benching has nothing to do with discipline or the locker room. 

According to them ZW's "yips" he has been experiencing have become so debilitating he is losing the play between the huddle and snap.  

They did show a pass play where he actually handed the ball to MC. MC was so confused it stopped him in his tracks.

So Saleh admits he should have pulled him in both Pat games. We likely win both if he did yank him..

[sourceworx]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

I mean if he doesn’t know the plays then what is it? That’s what they are reporting. 

Exactly. And it's coming from trusted sources. Not click-baiting sh!t-bags from the Daily News or the Athletic.

[BroadwayRay]

11 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Managing anxiety is part of being an adult. It’s not an excuse to not do your job. 

And being naive shouldn't be an excuse for dumb posts like this.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Literally everyone has anxiety.

I know. It’s so simple. 

[JustInFudge]

1 hour ago, PorP said:

Ian Raapaport and Mike garafolo just reported ZW benching has nothing to do with discipline or the locker room. 

According to them ZW's "yips" he has been experiencing have become so debilitating he is losing the play between the huddle and snap.  

They did show a pass play where he actually handed the ball to MC. MC was so confused it stopped him in his tracks.

wait, what?  Like he calls the play and forgets it by the time he gets to the LOS?  I've literally never heard of this in my life and I dont think this is what you define as "yips"....I mean, this sounds almost like a learning disability thing and I dont mean to just throw that out and be insensitive but that seriously is unheard of.

[jetspenguin]

1 hour ago, BurntDice said:

Sounds like it may have something to do with his ADHD. Things like this tend to happen a lot with that. Being told something then forgetting what was said less than a minute later 

been saying this for over a year......nobody is catching this

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, Zachtomims47 said:

I know. It’s so simple. 

It is because it’s up to him to figure it out. Not knowing the plays is not anxiety. People get anxious when they’re not prepared. I think Wilson has been coddled enough. 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

15 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said:

You shouldn't presume. I've dealt with social anxiety my whole life. I get by, and it hasn't been easy. You'll notice I made mention that he needed mental help as opposed to coaching. Having said that, I don't think he's dealing with crippling anxiety, as much as he isn't prepared for his role. He's become self conscious about it, and in turn he's thinking about not ******* up instead of just playing. Kind of like Tin Cup and his shanks...

Got it-  assumed based on your ‘fragile’ comment.  Anxiety is not about fragility, it’s often about misperception of danger.

[tfine]

Managing anxiety is part of being an adult. It’s not an excuse to not do your job. 

Wow tell me your joking….the difference between someone with normal anxiety and an anxiety disorder..is this…your thoughts are like a train…in a person with normal anxiety the train has a brake..in a person with an anxiety disorder.. there is no brake…the train keeps going…and going..and going. It will not stop without outside help. Trust me I know from experience..anxiety is nothing to bat an eyelid at it affects everything in your life.


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[KINGDIRK]

The yips are like pornography. I don’t know how exactly to define it but I know it when I see it. 

[Long Island Leprechaun]

1 hour ago, JetPotato said:

It's an old wife's tale condition that people apply when players throw like crap. Basically an exaggerated slump where it really "gets in your head". 

Problem is, Zach Wilson may simply just be too slow to process this very fast game. 

That's not correct. It's when you're about to do something delicate or precise and you jerk or have muscle spasm. It's sort of like a physiological version of choking.

[Joejet]

51 minutes ago, PorP said:

And yips are absolutely not confined to putting. 

Correct. Charles Barkley went from a single digit handicap to a laughingstock because he got the swing yips.

[fastmover]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

Yips are mental blocks that prohibit you from doing physical things (Macky Sasser/Knoblauch) Forgetting plays is lack of repetition/studying. 

Not true at all! 
 

From my own experiences in the Marine Corps, from classroom instruction, to field training to actual execution of tactics, can vary given the Marines headspace at that time.  I have had a Marine that have executed all phases of training and have executed flawlessly under training and actual execution of live missions, all of the sudden during a later training scenario loose their sh*t and jump out a window and breaking his leg while defending a building from attracting forces. 
he had no sign of PTSD,  no TBI’s, no traumatic injuries or experiences prior. 
what he did have was extreme pressure he put on himself to exceed in all facets of his service, a few things weren’t going well for him in other areas of his service and that compounded the pressure he put on himself to the point it debilitated him.  
a lengthy time off recovering from his broken leg and consequently missing the deployment we were spinning up for allowed him to recover and become just as dependable and exceptional Marine as he was before the break (yips)

Semper Fi 

[jetspenguin]

14 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Literally everyone has anxiety.

There are levels to that sh*t.its definitely not as easy for some to deal with as others. 

[PorP]

8 minutes ago, JiFields said:

wait, what?  Like he calls the play and forgets it by the time he gets to the LOS?  I've literally never heard of this in my life and I dont think this is what you define as "yips"....I mean, this sounds almost like a learning disability thing and I dont mean to just throw that out and be insensitive but that seriously is unheard of.

Nah man,  I am not thinking learning disability.  

I'm thinking a good flattens example is public speaking.  If you have had the opportunity.. you know what that can do to your mind. 

[BurntDice]

9 minutes ago, jetspenguin said:

been saying this for over a year......nobody is catching this

This is the first I’ve heard of him forgetting the plays, but it seems like a direct result of ADHD. This is vastly different from not knowing the playbook as some posters were suggesting. 

[FidelioJet]

1 hour ago, LockeJET said:

He won’t play until he learns all the quarterback positions

Okay, that's the funniest thing I've seen on this site in quite some time!!!  Nice work.

[FidelioJet]

He did have an OCD issue and was on meds in college.

I wonder if he's off them.  Hopefully that's the case and get his ass back on them ASAP

[Matt39]

3 minutes ago, jetspenguin said:

There are levels to that sh*t.its definitely not as easy for some to deal with as others. 

Sure. But he’s a starting NFL QB drafted second overall. Managing stress comes with the job. 

[Embrace the Suck]

4 minutes ago, Larz said:

It’s not fragility or weakness. Please don’t perpetuate negative stereotypes for mental health issues.  

I'm not perpetuating a negative stereotype about mental health issues. I'm pushing an opinion about one player. I've dealt with social anxiety my whole life, and you'll notice I made mention in what you're quoting that he needed mental help as opposed to coaching. Having said that, I don't think he's dealing with crippling anxiety, which is merely your presumption, as much as he isn't prepared for his role. He's become self conscious about it, and in turn he's thinking about not ******* up instead of just playing. That makes him fragile, and I really don't care about your opinion otherwise. So you can stop white knighting, virtue signaling, call it whatever you want. I'm glad you feel better about yourself, but don't take the soap box with you though as I'm sure someone else will use it. There are always plenty of 'advocates'.

[Anthony Jet]

1 hour ago, PorP said:

I played baseball,  basketball, football formally,  avid golfer and raced motocross and cross country semi pro.  Yips are a thing is everyone of them.  They have different names but still a thing. 

Another example In motocross it's "fear" or the "scared's" and it causes you to make little mistakes in cornering and /or jumping.... ultimately you start way over-thinking it, the errors get worse and can become a danger to yourself and others. 

So Ricky Bobby had the yips?

[PorP]

4 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

So Ricky Bobby had the yips?

I don't think so bro lol. 

I think that is just a fear instinct. 

[Lupz27]

2 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Oh I see. Haha so it's made up and Zach just sucks ✔️

It’s called debilitating anxiety or even panic episodes brought on by stress.

[PavlovsDogs]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

From experience ... I have had this happen ... same thing pressure was extreme and my mind just blanked.  Luckily i overcame it and slammed dunked what I was doing.   But I have had this happen ... and I would be surprised if it was as rare as you say. 

For someone with ADHD it is common.  It is also common to overcome it with mastery.  Mentioned this in another thread have no idea if Zach will get to a better place.

[JetPotato]

1 hour ago, peekskill68 said:

I'm not feeling this.  It's not a question of being "slow".  It's a question of trying to process too much information, trying to be perfect and fear of making a mistake.  Similar to a panic attack. 

If he wasn't slow, he would process it faster.l and more efficiently. That's what slow means.

[TuscanyTile2]

2 hours ago, PorP said:

Ian Raapaport and Mike garafolo just reported ZW benching has nothing to do with discipline or the locker room. 

According to them ZW's "yips" he has been experiencing have become so debilitating he is losing the play between the huddle and snap.  

They did show a pass play where he actually handed the ball to MC. MC was so confused it stopped him in his tracks.

IIRC, I also heard yesterday on WFAN that ZW took Adderall during games in college but it's banned in the NFL.

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

2 hours ago, JetPotato said:

It's an old wife's tale condition that people apply when players throw like crap. Basically an exaggerated slump where it really "gets in your head". 

Problem is, Zach Wilson may simply just be too slow to process this very fast game. 

He’s actually very smart and can “think on his feet”.  I saw him analyze his plays from a game at BYU and he very fast in dissecting why he didn’t do this or that and why he ultimately did that.

So now we know it’s his mind and you couple that with the fact he can’t hit the broad of a barn on half the throws an average HS QB hits 100% of the time, he can’t play in the NFL anymore with all these issues.

It’s sad how fast Wilson imploded.

 

[JetPotato]

Just now, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said:

He’s actually very smart and can “think on his feet”.  I saw him analyze his plays from a game at BYU and he very fast in dissecting why he didn’t do this or that and why he ultimately did that.

So now we know it’s his mind and you couple that with the fact he can’t hit the broad of a barn on half the throws an average HS QB hits 100% of the time, he can’t play in the NFL anymore with all these issues.

It’s sad how fast Wilson imploded.

 

It's because he's dumb.

[PorP]

22 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

It's because he's dumb.

Potato is a shtick right,  it's not an IQ equivalence?

[JetPotato]

7 minutes ago, PorP said:

Potato is a shtick right,  it's not an IQ equivalence?

Potatoes can be served in many forms.

[defensedoesntgetyoulaid]

3 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

What is a yip? I was very confused. Irvin was like what are even talking about and I'm with him 

The know the scene in Forrest Gump when Jenny places his hand on her bare breast and he has an accident all over her roommate's bathrobe? Well...

[bd71]

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

45 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

It's because he's dumb.

He’s intelligent, I just detailed why I thought he is.  He also comes from a very successful family, which suggests he comes from bloodlines that are intelligent.

That it appears that he has some mental health issues is unfortunate and hopefully he can cure them.  That he hasn’t played NFL football at the level many expected him to is secondary.