Interesting ZW take on GameDay

[JetPotato]

1 minute ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said:

He’s intelligent, I just detailed why I thought he is.  He also comes from a very successful family, which suggests he comes from bloodlines that are intelligent.

That it appears that he has some mental health issues is unfortunate and hopefully he can cure them.  That he hasn’t played NFL football at the level many expected him to is secondary.  

Being dumb isn't a mental health issue. People can just be dumb.

[PorP]

2 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Literally everyone has anxiety.

Everyone has varying levels of anxiety from unobservable to debilitating....

What's your point.....

It's all the same

Lol

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

3 hours ago, Larz said:

It’s not fragility or weakness. Please don’t perpetuate negative stereotypes for mental health issues.  

Are you being serious?  If so, I applaud you..

[Jet2020]

4 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

He’s forgetting the play between the time it’s called and when he needs to execute it 25 seconds later. 

Michael Carter is like  “wtf am I supposed to do? Pass for you?”

[Origen]

6 hours ago, TommyT said:

Chuck Knoblauch is the poster boy for yips 

Mackey Sasser, baby!  Steve Sax too.  That pitcher for the Cards who came back as a CF because he could always hit...

[maury77]

5 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Literally everyone has anxiety.

I’ve had a generalized anxiety diagnosis for over 10 years. Everyone deals with some level of anxiety but not everyone allows it to affect their lives to the point it needs to be treated medically. 
 

Re Zach, if his anxiety is that crippling, then he shouldn’t be playing pro sports the same way that anyone that deals with severe anxiety should avoid activities that exacerbate the condition.

[Matt39]

36 minutes ago, maury77 said:

I’ve had a generalized anxiety diagnosis for over 10 years. Everyone deals with some level of anxiety but not everyone allows it to affect their lives to the point it needs to be treated medically. 
 

Re Zach, if his anxiety is that crippling, then he shouldn’t be playing pro sports the same way that anyone that deals with severe anxiety should avoid activities that exacerbate the condition.

Yes it’s a thing. If it’s such a crippling thing for Zach then he should retire. This has never been mentioned before though. Him not remembering the plays sounds more like a work ethic thing than anxiety. 

[Smashmouth]

7 hours ago, TommyT said:

Chuck Knoblauch is the poster boy for yips 

Your'e forgetting Macky Sasser

[Bruce Harper]

7 hours ago, GangGreened said:

Orlovsky thinks he doesn’t know the playbook either. Who knows.

At BYU he just stood behind those 25 year olds and waited for something to happen.

[PorP]

1 hour ago, maury77 said:

I’ve had a generalized anxiety diagnosis for over 10 years. Everyone deals with some level of anxiety but not everyone allows it to affect their lives to the point it needs to be treated medically. 
 

Re Zach, if his anxiety is that crippling, then he shouldn’t be playing pro sports the same way that anyone that deals with severe anxiety should avoid activities that exacerbate the condition.

I have had chicken pox... so I'm an expert on herpes...

I've had taxes... no need to find I tax lawyer

I've been sick I can tell you how to get better without a doctor

I've been over my head in conversation and learned to hold my tongue, why cant you? 

[Charlie Brown]

8 hours ago, PorP said:

Ian Raapaport and Mike garafolo just reported ZW benching has nothing to do with discipline or the locker room. 

According to them ZW's "yips" he has been experiencing have become so debilitating he is losing the play between the huddle and snap.  

They did show a pass play where he actually handed the ball to MC. MC was so confused it stopped him in his tracks.

Wow this is not funny but a little scary on some ways.  
 

ZW definitely pushes himself hard, dude could be having a breakdown of sorts!

 

[C Mart]

8 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Wish life was that simple.  A little compassion would go a long way in life, if it is anxiety related.

In retrospect, the Jets might have missed this risk in Zach’s personality assessment and beyond that in their assessment of what he needs.

Again, if this is a crippling anxiety issue, continuing to play him was not the right strategy. That said, Zach likely hid this from the coaches.

You seem to have some knowledge on ADHD. In your opinion - is medication needed?  Wonder if ZW is on any or if the NFL allows it?

“By then, the Jets were comfortable with Wilson's intangibles. In five videoconference calls, one hour each, they showed video clips and grilled him on specific plays from his career. For each play, they wanted to know the call, the protection, his progression, the coverage and the audible (if there was one). He spit back each answer with the speed of a "Jeopardy!" champion.

In an effort to stump him, they didn't show plays in sequential order. They bounced around his career, pulling up plays from his freshman season. They were amazed by his recall. On some plays, he knew the outcome before it started, simply based on down, distance and opponent. Wilson has ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder), like some others in his family, and it created challenges in the college classroom, but it has no effect on his ability to absorb football concepts, according to people close to him.

"His mental horsepower is through the roof," Saleh said.

The Jets didn't want to overwhelm Wilson with a dozen people on the videoconference calls, so they limited it to five or six, including LaFleur, passing-game specialist Greg Knapp and quarterbacks coach Rob Calabrese, each of whom wrote separate scouting reports on the top five quarterback prospects.”

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31399489/zach-wilson-path-new-york-jets-nfl-worst-kept-secret?platform=amp

[Sonny Werblin]

9 hours ago, TommyT said:

Chuck Knoblauch is the poster boy for yips 

Steve sax had a bout as well, but the funniest was Mackey Sasser’s. It’s tough to play catcher when you can’t throw the ball back to the pitcher.

[sirlancemehlot]

10 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

What is a yip? I was very confused. Irvin was like what are even talking about and I'm with him 

Paralyzation by analyzation. Word is, Zach is a film junkie who can't stop studying and cramming. They have to make him leave the facility most days.  He thinks too much and can't just play the game. 

[maury77]

3 hours ago, PorP said:

I have had chicken pox... so I'm an expert on herpes...

I've had taxes... no need to find I tax lawyer

I've been sick I can tell you how to get better without a doctor

I've been over my head in conversation and learned to hold my tongue, why cant you? 

If my relatively benign statement triggers you so much, you should probably just put me on ignore, I won’t miss our interactions.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

1 hour ago, C Mart said:

You seem to have some knowledge on ADHD. In your opinion - is medication needed?  Wonder if ZW is on any or if the NFL allows it?

“By then, the Jets were comfortable with Wilson's intangibles. In five videoconference calls, one hour each, they showed video clips and grilled him on specific plays from his career. For each play, they wanted to know the call, the protection, his progression, the coverage and the audible (if there was one). He spit back each answer with the speed of a "Jeopardy!" champion.

In an effort to stump him, they didn't show plays in sequential order. They bounced around his career, pulling up plays from his freshman season. They were amazed by his recall. On some plays, he knew the outcome before it started, simply based on down, distance and opponent. Wilson has ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder), like some others in his family, and it created challenges in the college classroom, but it has no effect on his ability to absorb football concepts, according to people close to him.

"His mental horsepower is through the roof," Saleh said.

The Jets didn't want to overwhelm Wilson with a dozen people on the videoconference calls, so they limited it to five or six, including LaFleur, passing-game specialist Greg Knapp and quarterbacks coach Rob Calabrese, each of whom wrote separate scouting reports on the top five quarterback prospects.”

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31399489/zach-wilson-path-new-york-jets-nfl-worst-kept-secret?platform=amp

ADHD might simply make Zach more prone to the YIPs.  I think there are some studies that show certain characteristics.  Different disorders are linked  or at least show a higher probability of moving from one to another.

For me, it was generalized anxiety when I quit my job to start my own business.  2 young kids at home.

It hit me hard & unexpectedly and ultimately almost took my life.  I made it thru and am more appreciative than ever for each moment I’m here, but I know first hand how anxiety can overtake you.

The good news is that there are effective drugs and therapy out there plus meditation and breathing exercises.  All have helped me tremendously. 

Zach quite possibly has put so much pressure on himself (possibly made worse with a dose of perfectionism) WITHOUT the coping skills needed to handle it. 

It has snowballed to this point and the best thing for him is time off to get the help he needs off the field.  The mechanical issues seem a byproduct of the mental root cause.

The great news is that once I got help, my business took off and we sold to private equity.

Praying for Zach as a person first and player second. 

[maury77]

3 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Yes it’s a thing. If it’s such a crippling thing for Zach then he should retire. This has never been mentioned before though. Him not remembering the plays sounds more like a work ethic thing than anxiety. 

I have no idea if he has any level of anxiety and this entire conversation is wildly speculative, I just felt you were being a little dismissive about people that need help dealing with their anxiety.

[RutgersJetFan]

3 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

The great news is that once I got help, my business took off and we sold to private equity.

The bad news, still stuck with the children. 

[bitonti]

On the sideline today Zach Wilson had a face like a slapped ass 

Just a disgraceful way to act when the team was winning.

brooding disgusted looking like an anakin. The other guys are looking at tablets he's scowling no tablet. 

When Jalen hurts got benched for Tua he rooted for his team mate, that's what being part of the team is about 

I was willing to see if he was humble and would work hard but Just in terms of today's sideline bitch fest I'd shop him for a conditional day 3 pick whatever I could get. 

[RutgersJetFan]

3 minutes ago, bitonti said:

brooding disgusted looking like an anakin. The other guys are looking at tablets he's scowling no tablet. 

That’s because the tablets were made of sand. 

[Creepy Lurker]

10 minutes ago, bitonti said:

On the sideline today Zach Wilson had a face like a slapped ass 

Just a disgraceful way to act when the team was winning.

brooding disgusted looking like an anakin. The other guys are looking at tablets he's scowling no tablet. 

When Jalen hurts got benched for Tua he rooted for his team mate, that's what being part of the team is about 

I was willing to see if he was humble and would work hard but Just in terms of today's sideline bitch fest I'd shop him for a conditional day 3 pick whatever I could get. 

I’m honestly curious if this is an overreaction due to opportunistic pictures or a real thing. 

[C Mart]

26 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

ADHD might simply make Zach more prone to the YIPs.  I think there are some studies that show certain characteristics.  Different disorders are linked  or at least show a higher probability of moving from one to another.

For me, it was generalized anxiety when I quit my job to start my own business.  2 young kids at home.

It hit me hard & unexpectedly and ultimately almost took my life.  I made it thru and am more appreciative than ever for each moment I’m here, but I know first hand how anxiety can overtake you.

The good news is that there are effective drugs and therapy out there plus meditation and breathing exercises.  All have helped me tremendously. 

Zach quite possibly has put so much pressure on himself (possibly made worse with a dose of perfectionism) WITHOUT the coping skills needed to handle it. 

It has snowballed to this point and the best thing for him is time off to get the help he needs off the field.  The mechanical issues seem a byproduct of the mental root cause.

The great news is that once I got help, my business took off and we sold to private equity.

Praying for Zach as a person first and player second. 

Great insight!  You make a lot of sense of Wilson’s current situation.  

Glad that you got help and are doing well!  

[RevisIsland610]

13 minutes ago, bitonti said:

On the sideline today Zach Wilson had a face like a slapped ass 

Just a disgraceful way to act when the team was winning.

brooding disgusted looking like an anakin. The other guys are looking at tablets he's scowling no tablet. 

When Jalen hurts got benched for Tua he rooted for his team mate, that's what being part of the team is about 

I was willing to see if he was humble and would work hard but Just in terms of today's sideline bitch fest I'd shop him for a conditional day 3 pick whatever I could get. 

People react to disappointment in different ways. Mike White says Zach has been supportive. The kid was the starting QB last week and now he is inactive and in street clothes for the foreseeable future and his replacement is doing everything he didn't and maybe can't do. It has to be a bitter pill to swallow. Maybe he just isn't good at hiding his disappointment. I don't think he's a bad person, just a bad QB. 

[ACourseinMiracles]

11 hours ago, LockeJET said:

He won’t play until he learns all the quarterback positions

Gold star for this one. Lol.

[Vader]

so...wtf is a yip

[theicecreamqueen]

12 hours ago, PorP said:

Ian Raapaport and Mike garafolo just reported ZW benching has nothing to do with discipline or the locker room. 

According to them ZW's "yips" he has been experiencing have become so debilitating he is losing the play between the huddle and snap.  

They did show a pass play where he actually handed the ball to MC. MC was so confused it stopped him in his tracks.

cover up.

[theicecreamqueen]

11 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Not knowing the plays isn’t the yips. It’s a guy not putting in the time.

or a guy who just SUCKS

[theicecreamqueen]

11 hours ago, Larz said:

That’s not the yips. The yips is when a golfer misses a 2 footer on the 18th to lose a tournament, then can’t make anything inside 4 feet the next round. It’s a debilitating loss of confidence   The golfer could play very well in the other aspects, but until he sees one go in , he’s gonna choke  

 

what they describe here as crippling anxiety, borderline panic attack. Sort of similar to the yips but not really. Unfortunately it also involves ADD. My son is the poster child for ADHD. 
 

the jets have a sports psychologist on staff. I said it months ago that Zach should be seeing her. Well, as long as she doesn’t have kids. 

I said a while ago, too, the kid has some attention deficit disorder (or something similar).  It's very, very obvious.  His complete lack of concentration and focus is a classic example of ADD or ADHD or similar.

[Shelbyblue]

This kid needed to sit for 2 years to mature first and learn how to play second. Zach is from a small program in a small City. No rookie should ever start here, it’s too much mentally for 22 year olds. I love this staff as it is coming together, the only blip is starting Zach way to early.

[theicecreamqueen]

11 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

This is worse. He called a pass play, and most likely  he called the blocking assignments and went to the line and handed off on a play that the other 10 guys understood as a pass. 

that's a good way to get someone killed out there.

[MARTIN]

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

ADHD might simply make Zach more prone to the YIPs.  I think there are some studies that show certain characteristics.  Different disorders are linked  or at least show a higher probability of moving from one to another.

For me, it was generalized anxiety when I quit my job to start my own business.  2 young kids at home.

It hit me hard & unexpectedly and ultimately almost took my life.  I made it thru and am more appreciative than ever for each moment I’m here, but I know first hand how anxiety can overtake you.

The good news is that there are effective drugs and therapy out there plus meditation and breathing exercises.  All have helped me tremendously. 

Zach quite possibly has put so much pressure on himself (possibly made worse with a dose of perfectionism) WITHOUT the coping skills needed to handle it. 

It has snowballed to this point and the best thing for him is time off to get the help he needs off the field.  The mechanical issues seem a byproduct of the mental root cause.

The great news is that once I got help, my business took off and we sold to private equity.

Praying for Zach as a person first and player second. 

Really cruddy and unfortunate. I hope ZW well. I have squandered away much of my life trying to figure out how to live well with severe ADHD. The quote from Glaser on FOX was more telling. Said that "in the time he spent talking to the team following the brutal NE game, that it was taken as authentic/contrite speech but some felt they were seeing the "real" Zach for the first time". Feel bad for the kid.

[PorP]

6 hours ago, maury77 said:

If my relatively benign statement triggers you so much, you should probably just put me on ignore, I won’t miss our interactions.

And give up on our exchanges... I think not good sir. 

Triggered... lol

[British Jet]

10 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Yes it’s a thing. If it’s such a crippling thing for Zach then he should retire. This has never been mentioned before though. Him not remembering the plays sounds more like a work ethic thing than anxiety. 

You must be fun at parties. Got a problem? Just give up. Retire. End that phase of your life at 23 years old. 

Alternatively, in the real world...Show some patience. Get out of the spotlight. Calm things down. Improve. 

We finally have the luxury of being able to protect a player because of the pieces around him. We don't need to wheel him out just because he was a high draft pick.

Do you think Mahomes would've been as good as he is if he played day 1 and had a bunch of sh*t games? Mental mistakes might have got in his head too, he may or may not have recovered from it, we'll never know. He was afforded the luxury of sitting and watching for 17 games.

 

[32EBoozer]

18 hours ago, TommyT said:

Chuck Knoblauch is the poster boy for yips 

Or Jon Lester making a pickoff attempt at 1st

No matter how big the lead, he was frozen

[Warfish]

7 hours ago, Creepy Lurker said:

I’m honestly curious if this is an overreaction due to opportunistic pictures or a real thing. 

I wouldn’t put it past the tv network to do that.

But they showed him a lot and every time to my recollection he looked very grumpy, even when the team was doing well. Hard to say, but I had hoped to see him engaged and rooting for his teammates hard. That didn’t appear to be the case, but as you say, the network tv coverage could have been trying to play that up I suppose.