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[Jet Nut]

8 minutes ago, Xtina said:

The one where the Jets receiver was covered by two defenders?

One of the things that separates good QBs from crap is making tight window throws in a league that requires tight window throws.  

[Augustiniak]

3 minutes ago, RevisIsland610 said:

Mike White has thrown for 300+ yards and Jets offense has gained more than 450 yards the last 2 games. I guess that's better than 70 yards passing and 2 yards of offense in the 2nd half against NE. Just saying. 

The jets players probably knew this for a while and are so happy, esp. the wrs.  It’s a pleasure to watch jet games now, even against good opponents on the road like today, and know we have a chance, that we’re not going to go 3 and out 7 times, and that we’re going to score.  It’s been way too long.

[FidelioJet]

1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I know he's a forgotten man at this point but could you imagine having Becton to run behind when we had the ball on the 1 yard line?

Yes...

Today was also a good example, IMO, why AVT needs to stay at Guard.  if AVT and Becton were on the right side ---- those are easy TD's...

Let's hope, Becton, AVT and Hall are all back next year - jeez, that can be special

[DoubleDown]

Just because it wasn't a perfect throw, doesn't make it a bad throw.

If White leads Berrios on that throw he's running straight into a big hit by the linebacker coming across the field.

Berrios should have made the catch. He said so himself. It was a routine play made every week by all NFL caliber receivers.

[Mogglez]

1 minute ago, Jets723 said:

So there is one poster?  Ok I don’t agree with them but I don’t see that one poster as a reason to get yourself crazy ? 

I could directly name 4-5 posters, but I’m not tagging them because it is frowned upon.

[Jets723]

Just now, Mogglez said:

I could directly name 4-5 posters, but I’m not tagging them because it is frowned upon.

I mean I think it’s pretty childish like I said for both sides.  

[Spoot-Face]

1 hour ago, JTJet said:

But they did overturn it. Sooo...

If the ref fix was in, they could have easily just said it wasnt clear and decisive enough to overturn, which they do all the time. 

ok, whatever

[JustInFudge]

2 minutes ago, DoubleDown said:

Just because it wasn't a perfect throw, doesn't make it a bad throw.

If White leads Berrios on that throw he's running straight into a big hit by the linebacker coming across the field.

Berrios should have made the catch. He said so himself. It was a routine play made every week by all NFL caliber receivers.

100%.  The guy is the hands specialist on the team, it was uncharacteristic.  He makes that 9 out of 10 times, this idea it was a bad throw is some next level dumb sh*t.  

[Mogglez]

1 minute ago, Jets723 said:

I mean I think it’s pretty childish like I said for both sides.  

I’ve already outlined why those 4-5 fist pumpers for Wilson are, objectively, wrong and shouldn’t be doing what they’re doing, but if you want to continue with the “both sides” argument, be my guest.  I’ve made my point very clear.

[Green Ghost]

54 minutes ago, CSNY said:

Berrios drop was huge but one thing not being discussed is having to throw over 50 times today. Jets will rarely if ever win if they have to throw that much. MLF Need to establish running attack in every game and not get so dam cute 

We fell behind 20-3. Of course we were going to pass the ball.

[Jets723]

2 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I’ve already outlined why those 4-5 fist pumpers for Wilson are, objectively, wrong and shouldn’t be doing what they’re doing, but if you want to continue with the “both sides” argument, be my guest.  I’ve made my point very clear.

Well it’s true.  I could name 30 posters that do it on it other side.  I agree with you that it’s wrong  but saying it’s just one side doing it is just ******* ridiculous ?.  Anyway have a good evening 

[Green hat]

I thought it was a solid game from MW. He executed the offense competently and made a couple of excellent throws. Missed a few as well. It was a total team loss, not on one person. 

[Jetsfan80]

12 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

It's like around here I you say ANYTHING bad about Mike White your ridiculous and nonsensical.  

You don’t get to say this.  Not when anyone who spoke negatively about Wilson….a QB who actually sucked and his lack of productivity proved it….had psychosis according to you.

[FidelioJet]

4 minutes ago, JiFields said:

Fine, I'll agree to disagree while thinking your head is straight up your ass on this one.

But acting like you dont have a clear narrative is quite frankly insulting, we're not stupid. 

Are you suggesting I'm purposely putting down Mike White?

Why would I do that?

Because the way Zach Wilson was treated around here - where every mistake was massively over reacted too and every positive was immediately pushed off? And now you think I'm doing that to show how ridiculous that was?

Or do you really think I have some anti Mike White agenda, like I don't want to see him do well.  

I love the Jets and want to see them win ALWAYS - I don't care who the QB is.  

As I said, I think Mike White should absolutely be the starter the rest of the way - I don't think Zach should even be activated.  Mike White has earned that right.  And gives the Jets the best chance to win.

All I'm saying is he made a bad throw to Berrios on a very important play.  No agenda.

[Green Ghost]

48 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

No.  No they are not.  

One side can see what White has done, can objectively say, with statistical evidence, that “Mike White is the best QB on the roster right now, and he should be starting the rest of the season.”

The other side has polluted threads with the Wilson BS under the guise of “We’re rooting for everyone, but here is a college thesis on why 9/22 for 77 yards is actually not that bad, and we need to see more in order to get a final judgment on Zach.”

This is a playoff caliber team.  I’m not f*cking up the playoff race for a kid who sails balls 10 yards over the head of WRs who are 5 yards away from him and takes zero responsibility for it.  Things changed.  Zach’s “development” (whatever that looks like), is now secondary to everything else.

Great post.

[RevisIsland610]

8 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

I don't know.  Zach threw for 355 yards in the first Pats loss.  

Let me be clear...Mike White should be the starter - and should continue to be the rest of the way out.  Zach should remain inactive...but the goal is to win.  Not put up a lot of yards.  So far Mike White is 1-1, not a bad start at all.  

This was a 9-2 in their home - no reason to panic at all.  Mike White will be fine.

Yeah and when ZW threw for 355 yards(his first ever 300 yard game) he threw 3 awful inexcusable INT's to lose the game. Nobody is panicking. Mike White is a far far better NFL QB than Zach Wilson. 

[Jets723]

Just now, FidelioJet said:

Are you suggesting I'm purposely putting down Mike White?

Why would I do that?

Because the way Zach Wilson was treated around here - where every mistake was massively over reacted too and every positive was immediately pushed off? And now you think I'm doing that to show how ridiculous that was?

Or do you really think I have some anti Mike White agenda, like I don't want to see him do well.  

I love the Jets and want to see them win ALWAYS - I don't care who the QB is.  

As I said, I think Mike White should absolutely be the starter the rest of the way - I don't think Zach should even be activated.  Mike White has earned that right.  And gives the Jets the best chance to win.

All I'm saying is he made a bad throw to Berrios on a very important play.  No agenda.

Honestly the whole ZW fanboys vs Mike White fanboys has gotten completely ridiculous.  Like you said I don’t give a damn who the QB is as long as we win.  I’m also going to support all of them no matter who is starting, backing up, or inactive 

[Xtina]

10 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

One of the things that separates good QBs from crap is making tight window throws in a league that requires tight window throws.  

So you’re saying MW is crap?

[Green Ghost]

37 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

Jets have 4 games left.  They may need to win all 4.

Count them again.

[Mogglez]

1 minute ago, Jets723 said:

Well it’s true.  I could name 30 posters that do it on it other side.  I agree with you that it’s wrong  but saying it’s just one side doing it is just ******* ridiculous ?.  Anyway have a good evening 

Again, if you want to do that, that’s is your right and your prerogative.  To that I would say don’t be surprised that you have a little bit of pushback when you suggest eating dollar store sirloin steak to a room full of people who want a butcher’s fresh cut NY Strip.

Have a good evening.

[FidelioJet]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

You don’t get to say this.  Not when anyone who spoke negatively about Wilson….a QB who actually sucked and his lack of productivity proved it….had psychosis according to you.

Nope. the psychosis was refusing to see ANYTHING positive from Zach.  He wasn't all negative, but that's the way it was portrayed here.

I can say Mike White wasn't perferct - because he wasn't. 

the standards are insane.  Zach could do no good, Mike White could do no wrong.  

Mike White is clearly better than ZW right now - and has been good and should easily start the rest of the season  - but Mike White also made some mistakes today.

This shouldn't be controversial.

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Nope. the psychosis was refusing to see ANYTHING positive from Zach.  He wasn't all negative, but that's the way it was portrayed here.

I can say Mike White wasn't perferct - because he wasn't. 

the standards are insane.  Zach could do no good, Mike White could do no wrong.  

Mike White is clearly better than ZW right now - and has been good and should easily start the rest of the season  - but Mike White also made some mistakes today.

This shouldn't be controversial.

Again, dude, as late as the 3rd quarter you were talking about QB being our biggest problem.

Come the f**k on with this. 

[southparkcpa]

14 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Yes...

Today was also a good example, IMO, why AVT needs to stay at Guard.  if AVT and Becton were on the right side ---- those are easy TD's...

Let's hope, Becton, AVT and Hall are all back next year - jeez, that can be special

Becton???   Really?

[choon328]

19 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said:

Keep knowing nothing and just sucking White off.  

[Jets723]

3 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Again, if you want to do that, that’s is your right and your prerogative.  To that I would say don’t be surprised that you have a little bit of pushback when you suggest eating dollar store sirloin steak to a room full of people who want a butcher’s fresh cut NY Strip.

Have a good evening.

Except I didn’t suggest it.  I simply said the crap between BOTH sides is getting old and childish.  That’s just a FACT. Good Evening 

[Jet Nut]

5 minutes ago, Xtina said:

So you’re saying MW is crap?

I’m saying the opposite. He made a number of tight window throws

[JustInFudge]

6 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Are you suggesting I'm purposely putting down Mike White?

Why would I do that?

Because the way Zach Wilson was treated around here - where every mistake was massively over reacted too and every positive was immediately pushed off? And now you think I'm doing that to show how ridiculous that was?

Or do you really think I have some anti Mike White agenda, like I don't want to see him do well.  

I love the Jets and want to see them win ALWAYS - I don't care who the QB is.  

As I said, I think Mike White should absolutely be the starter the rest of the way - I don't think Zach should even be activated.  Mike White has earned that right.  And gives the Jets the best chance to win.

All I'm saying is he made a bad throw to Berrios on a very important play.  No agenda.

You have a clear agenda to be unreasonable toward Mike White because your feel that people were unreasonable in their critique of the worst QB in the NFL.  Yes, it's quite clear you would prefer to see Mike White fail so you can be right about him and so that you can watch Zach Wilson continue to sh*t his pants on the field.  Not sure why you find that enjoyable but it's clearly the most important thing to you when it comes to this team.

[JustInFudge]

4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Again, dude, as late as the 3rd quarter you were talking about QB being our biggest problem.

Come the f**k on with this. 

It's like he takes us all for fools...

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, Jets723 said:

Please stop the Zach vs White crap.  We’re all pissed we lost 

Agreed that the Zach Wilson “crap” is over. He is a non-entity. White ran LaFleur’s offense the past two weeks in a relatively unspectacular fashion and Zach Wilson, in twenty starts, couldn’t produce half as much offense. The debate has far moved beyond White v. Zach and is irrelevant

[Mogglez]

5 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

I’m saying the opposite. He made a number of tight window throws

No one, and I mean no one, in their heart of hearts believes that Wilson is making this throw.  It’s not like it’s the only one he’s made since being named the starter.  I have no idea what he will ultimately be or become, but I do know that he is already better than the last two first round QBs we drafted.

[RevisIsland610]

2 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Nope. the psychosis was refusing to see ANYTHING positive from Zach.  He wasn't all negative, but that's the way it was portrayed here.

I can say Mike White wasn't perferct - because he wasn't. 

the standards are insane.  Zach could do no good, Mike White could do no wrong.  

Mike White is clearly better than ZW right now - and has been good and should easily start the rest of the season  - but Mike White also made some mistakes today.

This shouldn't be controversial.

Zach Wilson had positives? I didn't see any tbh. NFL QB's are supposed to have some semblance of talent and ability to throw the ball downfield with some regularity so he gets no pats on the back when he does complete a pass. His good games are 0/0 for 140 yards. His bad games are historically bad like what happened in NE. Take off the blinders. He is the worst rated QB in the NFL the last 2 years for a reason. The fans, coaches, and players have zero confidence in him and with good reason.

[Dunnie]

Again, he’s a dropped TD away from being 2-0 as a starter this year, with 5 total TDs, 1 deflected ball by his own WR INT, 700+ yards, and a high completion %.
In what universe does that “suck”?

.. and yet he is 1-1 against a couple terrible defenses. He played poorly in the first half .. had a great second half .. but ultimately was not enough to win.

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[Jetsfan80]

5 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

.. and yet he is 1-1 against a couple terrible defenses. He played poorly in the first half .. had a great second half .. but ultimately was not enough to win.

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Here we go again with the lazy W-L take.

Go away.  

[Barry McCockinner]

I didn't want to start a thread for this all this is as good a place as any 

I thought fant was a noticable upgrade at RT when he went in today. Mitchell has played admirably for a late round project rookie but he's just not ready yet imo.

[jeremy2020]

1 hour ago, Jets723 said:

 Now I can’t speak for some others you may be referring to but it sounded like you were talking about me 

Yes, I asked what you were saying about Zach and Mike White prior to Zach being benched since you don't know why you're being labeled a Zach truther. If you want an answer, it only seems logical that you start there. If what you said then is different than what you say now then that is likely why people are labeling you as such.