Cimini: Locker room is grumbling about Wilson, team is close to imploding

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, gastineau_intestinal_tract said:

yeah,..it doesn't make sense.  wentz looks like the best and most logical choice the jets have. the guy makes things exciting as well.  the fan base would rally for the guy as well as you know he can move the chains.

somebody posted the jets don't want to bring in a qb better than wilson...which is lol, but the way the whole "head scratching" mike white situation went down it can't be ruled out.

 

Unless the thinking heading into the season was, if rodgers is healthy, we ride it, and if he gets hurt, we keep the 1st rounder and draft a new qb to groom behind rodgers.  

[Irish Jet]

How Garrett Wilson hasn’t cut a bitch yet is beyond me. A more patient man we may never see again. 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

18 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

I wasn’t saying I wouldn’t take Rodgers on the team at age 37. I was saying I would have had similar reservations about trading a first round pick plus other stuff for a 37-year-old QB as I did about doing so for a 39-year-old QB.

But that's the point.

At 37, he won an MVP.

At 39, he tore his Achilles.

The fact that he won an MVP at 37 made him seem like he was worth an investment at 39, especially since he would now have a strong Defense ... while also factoring in the weak available QB market.   The investment was protected and will not amount to a first round pick.  

So JD gambled and it cost him!

But the gamble would have been much better if he hedged his bet and also invested in a capable #2 QB.  Such as a Minshew...  Overpay a bit to cover your bases.  After all, Rodgers gave back $35M.

Ultimately, you & others were right because he tore his Achilles.  But you would have been wrong at 35-38 when he won 2 MVPs, made 2 Conference Championship games and started every game.

We agree JD ****ed up, we just disagree on where he ****ed up.  I agree with your hesitation but believed it was worth the risk for the reasons above IF we had a capable backup.  

 

[kmnj]

the irony is wilson was benched last go because he sucked so why do the coach and gm think he wont suck again-he is just a bad player -he already lost the locker room last go you really think they are buying into him now? Moore was right Zach was and is trash  now and will be trash in the future 

[Jetsfan80]

18 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

How Garrett Wilson hasn’t cut a bitch yet is beyond me. A more patient man we may never see again. 

It's coming.  Every man has his breaking point.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

34 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

The 49ers knew Lance was DOA from the jump. They ran a real competition for the BACKUP job this summer and he lost. They moved him. They invested way more than the Jets did with Wilson too. Wilson is on the team because of Woody. I don’t see how anyone  with a straight face can deny this. 
 

also, the Simien signing is clearly a joke

 

Your Woody loves Zach story line makes no sense. Have fun I guess, but it makes zero sense. Zach is on Saleh,, JD and probably Rodgers more then Woody. 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Time for Trevor Freaking Siemien t-shirts to be freely distributed to the locker room.

Then we go out there and beat KC 😂

[56mehl56]

13 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Wonder if Cimini will actually bring this up at his next press conference this week. Or they just gonna keep asking “is Zach the starter?!”.

No that would take a spine. 

[Asymmetrical]

9 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

But that's the point.

At 37, he won an MVP.

At 39, he tore his Achilles.

The fact that he won an MVP at 37 made him seem like he was worth an investment at 39, especially since he would now have a strong Defense ... while also factoring in the weak available QB market.   The investment was protected and will not amount to a first round pick.  

So JD gambled and it cost him!

But the gamble would have been much better if he hedged his bet and also invested in a capable #2 QB.  Such as a Minshew...  Overpay a bit to cover your bases.  After all, Rodgers gave back $35M.

Ultimately, you & others were right because he tore his Achilles.  But you would have been wrong at 35-38 when he won 2 MVPs, made 2 Conference Championship games and started every game.

We agree JD ****ed up, we just disagree on where he ****ed up.  I agree with your hesitation but believed it was worth the risk for the reasons above IF we had a capable backup.  

 

 

Wilson being this bad has had some disastrous ripple effects. The FO couldn't run him back but they were picking too late to grab a qb this year and they were all getting fired if they didn't make the playoffs anyway, so they were forced to go the veteran route. Rodgers being available was a stroke of luck (or maybe not) but now his injury has further scrambled the timeline. 

 

We're in for a brutal year and then another all in resource dump into next year with Rodgers coming off an Achilles. A capable backup would have spared us the indignity of watching Zach Wilson play football but the Jets are pretty screwed unless several simultaneous miracles occur.

[Matt39]

8 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Your Woody loves Zach story line makes no sense. Have fun I guess, but it makes zero sense. Zach is on Saleh,, JD and probably Rodgers more then Woody. 

It makes more sense than Saleh and JD intentionally flushing down their jobs the toilet over loyalty to one player. That actually makes no sense.

[Rangers9]

Well you saw it on the field last Sunday and we saw it last season. I think Zach has a future as an NFL QB it's not over for him yet. But not with the Jets. You don't throw out an entire season for one player when he doesn't fit with teammates. You can't give him more than a half this Sunday. If no offense you go to Boyle. 

[THE BARON]

Which former Jets QB(s) could come in and dress this Sunday and play better that ZW ??? 

1. Joe Namath

2. Richard Todd

3. Ken O'Brien

4. Boomer

5. Vinny

6. Chad

7. Favre

8. Fitz

9. Sanchez

10. Darnold

 

[Flightattendant]

So I have a couple thoughts about this. Zach is not a good QB. I'm not in the locker room so I don't know what he's like off the field, but on the field he's trying. He's standing in there getting hit by defensive lineman and by water bottles. Saleh and JD are the ones to point fingers at for strutting him out every week, and not formulating a backup plan in case the 40 yr old QB goes down. 

As for the defence being upset about the situation.  These guys need to look inward.

0 sacks.

0 ints.

0 turnovers. 

minimum pressure.

gave up chunk 3rd downs.

Fix your self before criticising others. No one should be free of criticism since the bills game. 

[TNJet]

What people need to do is stop pretending Woody will fire the front office GM and coaches that Rodgers wants to come back and play for. ITS NOT HAPPENING! Woody does whatever ensures Rodgers to play as a Jet at least for 1 more season. He's not coming back to us with a new coaching staff.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

If “adversity reveals character”, Saleh has been exposed as a hollow sloganeering yes man.

[Rangers9]

Look it wasn't Zach's direct fault that the running game didn't work on Sunday. And NEP stopped Breece Hall all day. Last season when he was impact the Jets won with Zach as QB. If Breece had a good game good chance Jets would have won the game. They almost did on that Hail Mary. But team on offense isn't playing well with Zach as QB and for that reason needs a change. 

[TNJet]

44 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

How Garrett Wilson hasn’t cut a bitch yet is beyond me. A more patient man we may never see again. 

That happens this Sunday night when he's open all night and Zach takes sacks.

[#27TheDominator]

7 minutes ago, Flightattendant said:

So I have a couple thoughts about this. Zach is not a good QB. I'm not in the locker room so I don't know what he's like off the field, but on the field he's trying. He's standing in there getting hit by defensive lineman and by water bottles. Saleh and JD are the ones to point fingers at for strutting him out every week, and not formulating a backup plan in case the 40 yr old QB goes down. 

As for the defence being upset about the situation.  These guys need to look inward.

0 sacks.

0 ints.

0 turnovers. 

minimum pressure.

gave up chunk 3rd downs.

Fix your self before criticising others. No one should be free of criticism since the bills game. 

 

13 points.  The first 5 drives the offense had one that lasted more than two minutes.  You think that doesn't wear a team out?  You think you get opportunities for sacks and turnovers against a Bill Belichick team that is not even remotely afraid that you will score?  People maybe blind, but the defense is not.  

[Trotter]

We have to have some level of confidence that the coaches see what Boyle can/can't do and are going with the fact that while Zach is 15% effective, they are hoping he can play at times to the Pitt game last year, Tenn game the year before etc. 

It is not a great plan by any means, but it is prob the best they have where they are at.

Guessing, Joe D never imagined Rodgers going down for the year week 1, mistake on his part of course because if the above is true, then Zach could possibly fill in for a game or a few series, but not for an extended time.

It is going to be a rough ride this year and we have to realize it is a flush.

On to 2024. 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

27 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

Which former Jets QB(s) could come in and dress this Sunday and play better that ZW ??? 

1. Joe Namath

2. Richard Todd

3. Ken O'Brien

4. Boomer

5. Vinny

6. Chad

7. Favre

8. Fitz

9. Sanchez

10. Darnold

 

All.  But some might not make it out alive. 

I’d also add Rodgers in a wheelchair.

[Asymmetrical]

1 hour ago, Flightattendant said:

So I have a couple thoughts about this. Zach is not a good QB. I'm not in the locker room so I don't know what he's like off the field, but on the field he's trying. He's standing in there getting hit by defensive lineman and by water bottles. Saleh and JD are the ones to point fingers at for strutting him out every week, and not formulating a backup plan in case the 40 yr old QB goes down. 

As for the defence being upset about the situation.  These guys need to look inward.

0 sacks.

0 ints.

0 turnovers. 

minimum pressure.

gave up chunk 3rd downs.

Fix your self before criticising others. No one should be free of criticism since the bills game. 

 

 

an NFL team should win a game where they give up 13 points 100/100 times. This is crazy pills stuff

[Greensleeves]

15 hours ago, EM31 said:

Predicting a mix of Wilson, Boyle and Siemien starts?  Pretty big limb to go out on right there

Yep, I believe that the QBs on the team will be the one's playing QB. Very insightful. 

[Prodigal Syndicate]

6 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Rodgers didn’t disintegrate into a pile of ancient salts three weeks ago. He was tackled awkwardly. Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson are also injured and they are 23 years old. Derek Carr is also injured. Joe Burrow is hurt. Don’t blame me because I shoot for greatness. The guy with whom I was arguing about Rodgers’ injury “concerns” wanted to sign Jacoby Brissett instead. Would I participate in foul back-alley hair-pulling sex with Ron Rivera in exchange for the rights to Jacoby Brissett right now? Yes. But would I take a healthy Brissett over a healthy Rodgers? No. Because I am all about championships

The problem with this theory is that Rodgers was in fact a middle of the road QB last season who looked his age and got hurt. I didn't see championships looking at that guy play.

 

[Claymation]

So the crows are pecking and this entire franchise decides its time to implode. I guess Saleh isn't the right man to lead this team. Zach isn't good, but if this story is true that isn't a good look for all the leaders on this team and this coaching staff.

[oatmeal]

3 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

Also unclear if saleh will trot wilson out there to prove a point, that it’s the FO that kept him, saleh benched him last year, they didn’t keep the semi competent backup in white, and now woody and douglas don’t be surprised at the result.  The problem is that saleh is on the verge of losing whatever player support he has, they’re probably going to have to change coaches at season’s end, rodgers will be cheerleading from the sidelines and critical of everyone when he’s played 4 downs and may not play another.  Have to wonder if rodgers already realizes that he too may lose some of the control he thought he had, with the jets now keeping that 1st rounder which could well be top 10 or top 5 and qbs once again in the conversation with potential changes within the org.  

This

[oatmeal]

2 hours ago, TNJet said:

What people need to do is stop pretending Woody will fire the front office GM and coaches that Rodgers wants to come back and play for. ITS NOT HAPPENING! Woody does whatever ensures Rodgers to play as a Jet at least for 1 more season. He's not coming back to us with a new coaching staff.

God no 

Hopefully the noice will be too loud for them to pull that crap, I’m telling you bringing back this clown show will be yet another wasted season 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Wayne Chrebet made a point on his pod with Sabo I've been making for years:

ZW has no competitive fire and no leadership traits.

For one thing, you rarely if ever see him on the sideline looking at the tablet or photos trying to figure out what the defense is trying to do to them.

You have to be a leader at the QB position.

On top of his ability and willingness to throw a football and not play scared, this is a big reason why the locker room gravitated to MW.

It's an epic scouting fail by JD, Saleh, and everybody else who formed a predraft "consensus" on ZW.

[Wit]

where the eff is @football guy or @Mogglez. I need to know what is going on behind closed doors! I miss you guys!

[Biggs]

3 hours ago, dbatesman said:

I wasn’t saying I wouldn’t take Rodgers on the team at age 37. I was saying I would have had similar reservations about trading a first round pick plus other stuff for a 37-year-old QB as I did about doing so for a 39-year-old QB.

When we got Favre we traded a conditional 4 which became a 3.  It made a lot of sense at the time.  The problem with the Rodgers deal was the cost to the teams future.  

If it worked and what that actually means is a lot of cost for a very short window at a very high cost.  If it didn't work a lot of cost for a train wreck.  

Got to admit I was good either way.  As a Jets fan I have a lot of experience rubbernecking.   I'm pretty disapointed we didn't get to see if Rodgers had anything left in the tank.  The idea of running it back again seems nuts.

[gastineau_intestinal_tract]

28 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Wayne Chrebet made a point on his pod with Sabo I've been making for years:

ZW has no competitive fire and no leadership traits.

For one thing, you rarely if ever see him on the sideline looking at the tablet or photos trying to figure out what the defense is trying to do to them.

You have to be a leader at the QB position.

On top of his ability and willingness to throw a football and not play scared, this is a big reason why the locker room gravitated to MW.

It's an epic scouting fail by JD, Saleh, and everybody else who formed a predraft "consensus" on ZW.

he gives the fans little to be excited about in just about every aspect of the game,  if he delivered it would be fine, but he should  at least  try and fake it  lol  

[GangGreened]

2 hours ago, TNJet said:

What people need to do is stop pretending Woody will fire the front office GM and coaches that Rodgers wants to come back and play for. ITS NOT HAPPENING! Woody does whatever ensures Rodgers to play as a Jet at least for 1 more season. He's not coming back to us with a new coaching staff.

Rodgers doesn’t give a f*ck about Saleh, regardless of what he says. As long as Hackett is OC.

[Jet_Engine1]

14 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

lol spending $7M on a washed RB over a decent veteran QB2 when Minshew signed for $3.5M is peak Jetsy.

Douglas did his best not to join the pantheon of dumb-as-sh*t GMs this team has employed but he ended up there all the same.  

 

14 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Fwiw, I think I read that JD was unclear what the cap situation would be when he eventually did acquire AR8 (as they had to renegotiate his contract).  And I think I also read that ZW was guaranteed his money even we cut him.  So JD probably didn't want to spend any extra money on a 3rd QB when he knew he had to fortify the team (Dalvin Cook!!!) for Rodgers.

 

14 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

He would’ve if the Jets offered $5M or a 2-year deal.

Money talks, and we had it available.  Not saying it had to be Minshew just noting one example.  Teddy Bridgewater was another - he signed much later in the offseason, AFTER Rodgers handed back the $35M.

 

6 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I don't even understand what's going on.  Saleh only had 1 other option and it was the awful Tim Boyle (who someone pointed out had awful stats in college).  I'm sure the decision to stick with ZW (and praise him in post game interviews) was part of a plan that was concocted by both JD and Saleh.

Ultimately, I think Saleh is going to lose his job over all of this.  JD might even be somewhat on the hot seat after this disaster of a season plays out but I think he'll get another year.

 

5 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

The fact is that Rodgers started every game in 7 out of the last 8 seasons, last missing games in 2017.  Pause everyone, let that sink in before blaming this move on JD

Getting Rodgers was not the issue, nobody could have expected what actually happened.

The problem was not getting a real backup and relying on the guy who was supposed to sit for a year or 2.  Illogical, irrational, stupid, jetsy.  This is JD’s primary responsibility, even if it means pushing back on the morons im the building who wanted this …

We all have had jobs (by my count 15-25% of us still do … if we had such a poor contingency plan for what we do then we’d probably be fired.  I know I would.  

Zach never should have been the lead backup.  Many of us stated this over and over again.  Injuries do happen to all different ages and especially to the Jets.

And yet here we are ….

 

4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

And that's the thing:  Quite a few of us were calling for BOTH.  Once Rodgers handed back the $35M we should have been looking to add a Brissett-quality backup, of which there were several available at the time.

All of this ^.

 

The Jets clearly decided... and then all but screamed to the world,  "We know Wilson sucks and should never see the field for us again", and then spent $$ and picks to sign ARod... ARod, who is 39 years old... onto a team with a bunch of old, broken, or just bad OTs, a questionable OC situation, and a BAD LG.. and then REFUSED to bring in a viable QB2? 

 

They TOLD US they didn't want Zach to play for at least a year or two... or maybe never. And then brought in Tim Boyle as #3 and LEFT Zach in as QB2 to "learn"? (Look up Boyles career as a QB, including NCAA. He doesn't belong in the league in any capacity. He makes Dan Orlovsky and Jim Druckenmiller look like HOF'ERS)

 

And then, to top it off, instead of signing a Minshew, who seems like a guy ARod would actually enjoy chilling with, or Brissett, or WHOEVER... they then spend $12M this year for:

Mecole Hardman,  the invisible man and Dalvin Cook, the incredible shrinking Running Back.

 

JFC. 

 

$12M for two guys that ain't contributing instead of a top QB2. 

 

$12M buys ya a pretty damn good backup QB. 

 

These assholes all need to be fired. Hell, if the Jets had just folded 24 years ago, the league wouldn't have even noticed...

 

Stupid me for giving a sh*t about a franchise run by idiots. 

[football guy]

2 minutes ago, Wit said:

where the eff is @football guy or @Mogglez. I need to know what is going on behind closed doors! I miss you guys!

I'm not frequenting on here. Usually I'm never active over the summer and get back into it just before the season starts, but leading up to this season I've been using other platforms to scratch my Jets itch. 

As far as the locker room splinting: its hearsay. Cimini's manufactures conflict. Always has. Are player's frustrated? Yes, they want to win. But everyone recognizes that there is not a singular issue- there are many different issues that need to get worked through. In back-to-back weeks we haven't been very creative or effective running the ball, which is supposed to be our strength. There's no scenario where we will have an effective passing game without an effective run game, and its not like the Patriots or Cowboys were loading the box so this is a major red flag... we just haven't been able to generate any offense on the ground. Against Dallas they pretty much abandoned the run do to ineffectiveness and game script; against New England they overcommitted to it when it clearly wasn't working. If the Jets are going to do anything this year, that needs to get corrected no matter who the QB is. In the passing game there isn't much creativity either, but I don't think Hackett deserves blame for that because its what Rodgers wanted. He likes to go up to the line of scrimmage, read a defense, and determine where he's going with the ball. Zach is not able to do that. 

As far as what we should expect long-term: as the season progresses, you're going to see them transition into more of an RPO offense. Its hard for them to do it on the fly, but from what I understand that's Downing's baby. Rodgers didn't want any of that which is why its been a really basic schematically, but they realize they're going to have to get a little more creative for the sake of manufacturing some easy offense. Absent a complete meltdown I don't see any major changes. If you gave the coaches truth serum, I think the answer would be that they want the locker room to ignore the noise, go out an win a game or two before the bye week, and if they enter the bye at 2-4 or 3-3 they'll be in a much better position to make noise after the bye. If they don't do that, all bets are off 

[Jet_Engine1]

5 minutes ago, football guy said:

I'm not frequenting on here. Usually I'm never active over the summer and get back into it just before the season starts, but leading up to this season I've been using other platforms to scratch my Jets itch. 

As far as the locker room splinting: its hearsay. Cimini's manufactures conflict. Always has. Are player's frustrated? Yes, they want to win. But everyone recognizes that there is not a singular issue- there are many different issues that need to get worked through. In back-to-back weeks we haven't been very creative or effective running the ball, which is supposed to be our strength. There's no scenario where we will have an effective passing game without an effective run game, and its not like the Patriots or Cowboys were loading the box so this is a major red flag... we just haven't been able to generate any offense on the ground. Against Dallas they pretty much abandoned the run do to ineffectiveness and game script; against New England they overcommitted to it when it clearly wasn't working. If the Jets are going to do anything this year, that needs to get corrected no matter who the QB is. In the passing game there isn't much creativity either, but I don't think Hackett deserves blame for that because its what Rodgers wanted. He likes to go up to the line of scrimmage, read a defense, and determine where he's going with the ball. Zach is not able to do that. 

As far as what we should expect long-term: as the season progresses, you're going to see them transition into more of an RPO offense. Its hard for them to do it on the fly, but from what I understand that's Downing's baby. Rodgers didn't want any of that which is why its been a really basic schematically, but they realize they're going to have to get a little more creative for the sake of manufacturing some easy offense. Absent a complete meltdown I don't see any major changes. If you gave the coaches truth serum, I think the answer would be that they want the locker room to ignore the noise, go out an win a game or two before the bye week, and if they enter the bye at 2-4 or 3-3 they'll be in a much better position to make noise after the bye. If they don't do that, all bets are off 

The Patriots weren't loading the box, daring Zach to throw? Really? Hmm.

 

I guess the analysts, film, commentators, and people at the game are all lying to me...

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

7 minutes ago, football guy said:

There's no scenario where we will have an effective passing game without an effective run game, and its not like the Patriots or Cowboys were loading the box so this is a major red flag...

Excuse me? Did you watch the games? Loaded box all day lol.