pointman Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/13832510/newyork-jets-de-leonard-williams-tops-mel-kiper-rookie-rankings-nfl Insider Leonard Williams tops Mel Kiper's rookie rankings 3h - NFL Mel Kiper Jr., Football analyst 1KShares Email Comment We're now four weeks into the NFL season, and the list looks a lot different than it did two weeks ago, as we've seen a few rookies getting more reps (and trust) from coaches. Last season, the Jets hit a home run in the draft along the defensive line, and it looks like they'll do it again this year. Here are the parameters, same as always: This is a measure for all games this season, not just last week. Total snap count matters. Staying on the field is a measure of value. Positional value matters, but overall performance and impact on the team matter more. Relative value matters. I ask: Would this player be a starter on most teams or on a good team? Here's my latest ranking of the top 15 rookies in the NFL. 1. Leonard Williams, DE, New York Jets I don't think he has been as good as he will be, but Williams gets bonus points. Remember, this defense has been without arguably the best pure run defender in the league in Sheldon Richardson. Williams has had to step up, and the Jets are allowing 3.8 yards per carry, among the best run defenses in the league. He has played 200 snaps, and they've meant a lot to the Jets, who are off to a 3-1 start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMagicRat Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Williams is an example of why you should draft BAP over need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexorcism Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Sweeeeet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsamuel84 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Thanks Redskins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Williams is an example of why you should draft BAP over need. That's how you win long term. Because with all the player movement, a position of depth one year can become a position of need in a year or 2. Just keep accumulation talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 So now the board likes kiper? Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetman55 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 So now the board likes kiper? Ok hahaha, good post. I can't stand Kiper and feel he's anything but a "draft expert," but his opinions are fun to read. As it applies to this article, there's probably a broken clock analogy that applies to our good buddy Kiper that would be approproate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 So now the board likes kiper? Ok Personally I took it as an insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet in PA Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Mel Kiper looks like an unfunny ventriloquist dummy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/13832510/newyork-jets-de-leonard-williams-tops-mel-kiper-rookie-rankings-nfl Insider Leonard Williams tops Mel Kiper's rookie rankings 3h - NFL Mel Kiper Jr., Football analyst 1KShares Email Comment We're now four weeks into the NFL season, and the list looks a lot different than it did two weeks ago, as we've seen a few rookies getting more reps (and trust) from coaches. Last season, the Jets hit a home run in the draft along the defensive line, and it looks like they'll do it again this year. Here are the parameters, same as always: This is a measure for all games this season, not just last week. Total snap count matters. Staying on the field is a measure of value. Positional value matters, but overall performance and impact on the team matter more. Relative value matters. I ask: Would this player be a starter on most teams or on a good team? Here's my latest ranking of the top 15 rookies in the NFL. 1. Leonard Williams, DE, New York Jets I don't think he has been as good as he will be, but Williams gets bonus points. Remember, this defense has been without arguably the best pure run defender in the league in Sheldon Richardson. Williams has had to step up, and the Jets are allowing 3.8 yards per carry, among the best run defenses in the league. He has played 200 snaps, and they've meant a lot to the Jets, who are off to a 3-1 start. Shhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone but we are getting Sheldon back...... OH BOY!! I wish the dang on game was on right NOW!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 He sucks..... Not enough sacks, not enough pressure. No interceptions. Typical Jets fans, get behind a douche like Kiper.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Good thing Kiper wrote this bit of information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Shhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone but we are getting Sheldon back...... OH BOY!! I wish the dang on game was on right NOW!!! And Sheldon is going to be on a mission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Who did we draft last season on the Dline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadetree Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 And Sheldon is going to be on a mission I don't trust him. Never will. But, damn, if you're right, this d line will be insane. ...maybe the best this franchise has ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I'd say he is wrong, how do you not say Amari Cooper is the number 1 rookie so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 And Sheldon is going to be on a mission I just hope he takes a cab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Who did we draft last season on the Dline? Maybe Kiper really is a Jets fan and has blocked out the 12 pick fiasco that changed the face of the Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I don't trust him. Never will. But, damn, if you're right, this d line will be insane. ...maybe the best this franchise has ever seen. Long tewrm I think he may screw up again but for the next little while, sit back and enjoy the show because he going to abuse some offensive linemen in the next few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Coop is definitely #1 Williams is #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I'd say he is wrong, how do you not say Amari Cooper is the number 1 rookie so far? It's a toss up between Cooper and Leonard Williams for rookie of the year so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Coop is definitely #1 Williams is #2 Apples and oranges. Best offensive and best defensive player so far. Watch out for Gurley -- guy's a beast. Amazing how many of the top rookie WR's this year are injured or playing minimally. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Would anyone trade Leonard Williams for Marcus Mariota at this point? Pretty sure Mariota is off to a good start and QB is a premium position in the NFL. However, I think we got the best player in this draft (at least from what I can tell so far). I wanted Amari Cooper at the time btw and he's been great. However, we got BMarsh for a 5th rounder and he's pretty good. Goes to show about which positions you can more easily acquire talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 hahaha, good post. I can't stand Kiper and feel he's anything but a "draft expert," but his opinions are fun to read. As it applies to this article, there's probably a broken clock analogy that applies to our good buddy Kiper that would be approproate. inexact science a 50% hit rate in draft puts you in hall of fame as a GM. Kiper's pretty good unless one wishes to cherry pick his big whiffs and hold those out as evidence he sucks. not to mention we only judge GMs on an average of 7 picks per year, that they must feel pretty confident about to choose them over all the available players. Kiper has to rank and publicly publish his opinion on like 300 guys. even ozzie newsome gets it wrong. he took courtney upshaw over alshon jeffrey and bobby wagner in 2012. he must suck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Would anyone trade Leonard Williams for Marcus Mariota at this point? That's a really good question. Yes, I do think I would trade Leo for Mariota. Both have big upsides but the supply/demand for quality QB's is what drives the decision... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastmover Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 He sucks..... Not enough sacks, not enough pressure. No interceptions. Typical Jets fans, get behind a douche like Kiper.? If only he didn't get bumped off his routes..... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 **** Kiper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 From what I've seen redraft would gk 1- Mariota- just cause he's a qb and shown potential 2- Cooper 3- Williams 4- Beasley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Would anyone trade Leonard Williams for Marcus Mariota at this point? Pretty sure Mariota is off to a good start and QB is a premium position in the NFL. However, I think we got the best player in this draft (at least from what I can tell so far). I wanted Amari Cooper at the time btw and he's been great. However, we got BMarsh for a 5th rounder and he's pretty good. Goes to show about which positions you can more easily acquire talent. One thing is certain-WR is the hardest and least reliable position to draft for the past 15 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bachelors3 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Who did we draft last season on the Dline? My thoughts exactly! I thought we drafted a safety but I guess i was wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Mel Kiper? Ah sh*t! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 inexact science a 50% hit rate in draft puts you in hall of fame as a GM. Kiper's pretty good unless one wishes to cherry pick his big whiffs and hold those out as evidence he sucks. not to mention we only judge GMs on an average of 7 picks per year, that they must feel pretty confident about to choose them over all the available players. Kiper has to rank and publicly publish his opinion on like 300 guys. even ozzie newsome gets it wrong. he took courtney upshaw over alshon jeffrey and bobby wagner in 2012. he must suck! Excellent point....when these guys miss, for alll we know they could have had a dozen players ranked next in line who are also busts. Kiper isn't perfect, and neither is any GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Who did we draft last season on the Dline? I know right? I tried not to get snagged on that one myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 And he's a kid. It's crazy to me that he's this physical and disruptive already at 21. He was my favorite player in the draft next to Cooper and never thought we'd have a chance at this kid. Thank you Redskins!!! This kids a beast and he's been finger tips away numerous times at making a big play. I think those plays start coming now that he's used to the speed of the NFL. A bye week of film watching with Mo and Sheldon is probably going to help him big time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 And he's a kid. It's crazy to me that he's this physical and disruptive already at 21. He was my favorite player in the draft next to Cooper and never thought we'd have a chance at this kid. Thank you Redskins!!! This kids a beast and he's been finger tips away numerous times at making a big play. I think those plays start coming now that he's used to the speed of the NFL. A bye week of film watching with Mo and Sheldon is probably going to help him big time! not to mention when his muscles turn to steel after a couple seasons in NFL strength regimen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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