KRL Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Through the first five games you have to be pleased with theimprovements the following players have shown under the newstaff: - Colon: no longer a penalty machine - Brick: doesn't appear to be declining like last year - Giacomini: much more consistent - Cumberland: finally taking his blocking seriously - Ivory: has shown vision, patience, speed and improved handsin catching screens - Pryor: a totally different player solid in coverage and muchimproved in his open field tackling - Harris: either he increased his speed this offseason or thescheme is hiding his lack of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Pryor and Harris stand out for me out of that group. I agree with everyone you said. But I think the OLine guys are also benefiting from the new system and new coaching. Pryor simply seems like he can tackle now and isn't worried about just laying big hits. And whatever Harris did this offseason workout wise, wow. I know he lost some weight but he is having a great year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Don't see much difference in Cumberland, but I probably didn't hate him as much as everybody else. The first three are probably just a fancy way of saying "James Carpenter" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Pryor and Harris stand out for me out of that group. I agree with everyone you said. But I think the OLine guys are also benefiting from the new system and new coaching. Pryor simply seems like he can tackle now and isn't worried about just laying big hits. And whatever Harris did this offseason workout wise, wow. I know he lost some weight but he is having a great year. Agreed. Lets also not forget what Brandon Marshal and Devon Smith do for this offense. The OL isn't constantly facing blitz looks because they have to account for a true #1 on the outside. The offense as a whole isn't constantly facing 8/9 man boxes which allows the OL to play faster and that extra 1/2 second allows them to get to their spot and create the creases for Ivory to blast through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Through the first five games you have to be pleased with theimprovements the following players have shown under the newstaff: - Colon: no longer a penalty machine - Brick: doesn't appear to be declining like last year - Giacomini: much more consistent - Cumberland: finally taking his blocking seriously - Ivory: has shown vision, patience, speed and improved handsin catching screens - Pryor: a totally different player solid in coverage and muchimproved in his open field tackling - Harris: either he increased his speed this offseason or thescheme is hiding his lack of it Colon is the most surprising thing to me on the list. He's been a double-digit penalty guy for most of his career, not just his last two seasons with the Jets. Awesome if he keeps going the way he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I think the whole OL is benefiting from the fact that Fitz is making decisions quickly and running when necessary. I don't know if it is Fitz, the OC or both, but it helps the OL to not have to hold blocks more, and now the passing game is complimenting the running game and visa versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I think the whole OL is benefiting from the fact that Fitz is making decisions quickly and running when necessary. I don't know if it is Fitz, the OC or both, but it helps the OL to not have to hold blocks more, and now the passing game is complimenting the running game and visa versa. This. You have to remember, Colon spent most of his career blocking/holding for Big Ben who (as a positive) can extend plays by holding the ball for a long time, and then came to Geno who held the ball too long to the detriment of everyone. Its the same reason the Pats OL gets away with holding a lot. They hold, but don't have to hold for a long time, and it minimizes the frequency of getting caught and flagged. Pretty simple, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Pryor has been night and day compared to last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Blast Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 To me it's quite simple- Buffalo's defense has been playing poorly with many of the same players that made up a good defense last year. The Jets have some players that were playing poorly last year and have shown much improvement this year. This tells me 2 things: 1) Ryan's scheme does not work well anymore. 2) Bowles is the better coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loluchka80 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 - Ivory: has shown vision, patience, speed and improved handsin catching screens I used to think of Ivory as a poor mans Beast Mode, but now I think he is every bit as good as Marshawn Lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Colon was good past 2 years he just got a bad rap due to penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Speaking just for players who were on the Jets last year: - Most obvious is Pryor - Ivory and Powell look a lot faster than they did last year. Not going to say Ivory is vastly "improved" because I've always thought he was awesome. But the two of them look a lot, lot faster. - No idea if Giacomini is improved, but we are seeing far less pressure off the right edge this year, so I'm going to make the assumption and give him some dap. - James Carpenter wasn't on the Jets last year, but his warm body over Aboushi's has been such a huge difference in our power run game. (Credit Chan's scheme as well) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Players do not improve. They arrive in the league fully formed, like Athena from the brow of Zeus. If some of them aren't good, the sole duty of the head coach is to use his media contacts to anonymously blast the GM until he either drafts better players or gets fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Says a great deal about the QB also. Fitz is calling a good game. He is setting the blocking schemes properly to alleviate the constant pressure. Then he gets the ball into the hands of that huge play maker #15. Proyor looks like he has been personally coached by Bowles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 even winters looked much better vs the dolphins, and against suh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Through the first five games you have to be pleased with theimprovements the following players have shown under the newstaff: - Colon: no longer a penalty machine - Brick: doesn't appear to be declining like last year - Giacomini: much more consistent - Cumberland: finally taking his blocking seriously - Ivory: has shown vision, patience, speed and improved handsin catching screens - Pryor: a totally different player solid in coverage and muchimproved in his open field tackling - Harris: either he increased his speed this offseason or thescheme is hiding his lack of it Much of the O-line's improvement, Ivory's play, and Cumberland's approach to blocking has to be a credit to Chan Gailey's zone blocking scheme. And Colon's improvement in reducing penalties is likely a direct reflection of how much more disciplined this team is under the new coaching staff compared to the last one. And of course, as has been previously mentioned here in this thread, Fitzpatrick deserves credit for his pre-snap reads and ability to get the ball out quickly, which helps the entire offense out. Meanwhile, Pryor is playing under a guy who specializes in secondary and knows how to use him, and I think now we're seeing why Harris was surprisingly given a pretty hefty contract extension (a move I criticized at the time). Bowles clearly values a guy like him in his versatile defense. Everything is better under this coaching staff. Everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roscoeword Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 But why hasn't Cumberland been part of the passing game? He used to be a fairly decent receiving target... we can use another guy other than Decker and Marshall to catch a pass once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Units playing better under bowles: qb, rb, wr, oline, dline, lbs, seconday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Much of the O-line's improvement, Ivory's play, and Cumberland's approach to blocking has to be a credit to Chan Gailey's zone blocking scheme. And Colon's penalties are likely a direct reflection of how much more disciplined this team is under the new coaching staff compared to the last one. Also Fitzpatrick deserves credit for his pre-snap reads, which helps the entire offense out. Meanwhile, Pryor is playing under a guy who specializes in secondary and knows how to use him, and I think now we're seeing why Harris was surprisingly given a pretty hefty contract extension (a move I criticized at the time). Bowles clearly values a guy like him in his versatile defense. Everything is better under this coaching staff. Everything. I think you have that backwards. I am pretty sure that Gailey has been using a primarily man blocking scheme. I remember expecting zone blocking and being surprised how happy Carpenter and Giacomini seemed to be about man power blocking in the preseason. “This offense, right now, is like a dream to me, just to be going man, and power blocking,” Carpenter said at the time. “It’s a dream come true for me. That’s the type of lineman I am.” http://hushsports.com/why-have-jets-given-up-so-few-sacks-so-far-nj-com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 But why hasn't Cumberland been part of the passing game? He used to be a fairly decent receiving target... we can use another guy other than Decker and Marshall to catch a pass once in a while. this is the week they will need to use devin smith b/c you have to assume the pats will be scoring points even if it's not like vs. buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 But why hasn't Cumberland been part of the passing game? He used to be a fairly decent receiving target... we can use another guy other than Decker and Marshall to catch a pass once in a while. He had a couple of catches against the Eagles and then got a concussion. That was the only game where he was targeted. He missed the Dolphins game and I think they worked him in kind of slow last week. Gailey seems to have very game specific plans. A guy like Cumberland may have a big part one week and nothing the next. He may be one of the guys that has to pick up the slack for H-Back/WR Enunwa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Units playing better under bowles: qb, rb, wr, oline, dline, lbs, seconday Maybe we can add ST before the end of the season...... 'cause right now we suck apart from Folk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 He had a couple of catches against the Eagles and then got a concussion. That was the only game where he was targeted. He missed the Dolphins game and I think they worked him in kind of slow last week. Gailey seems to have very game specific plans. A guy like Cumberland may have a big part one week and nothing the next. He may be one of the guys that has to pick up the slack for H-Back/WR Enunwa. What? Planning for your opponent. No that won't do. You are supposed to pound your chest and tell everyone you're the best and they cower; then you play the game you want stick stubbornly with your approach. Right? Planning? Preparing? You are just talking crazy now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 This is a very well coached team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 This almost begs the question of did we make some dramatic change in our strength and conditioning program? If we did then I say lock the new guy up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Units playing better under bowles: qb, rb, wr, oline, dline, lbs, seconday You'd hope so, after adding Marshall, Revis, Cromartie, Skrine, and Gilchrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Units playing better under bowles: qb, rb, wr, oline, dline, lbs, seconday Units playing worse under Bowles: special teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Units playing worse under Bowles: special teams. unfortunately this is true... Basically the only negative though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 You'd hope so, after adding Marshall, Revis, Cromartie, Skrine, and Gilchrist. is James Carpenter kicking *$$ for the dline too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Dom's correct, they scrapped the zone-blocking scheme and opted for a straight/predominantly man-blocking scheme. It's worked well for everyone and Carpenter has been better than I even hoped for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Units playing worse under Bowles: special teams. They sucked last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 They sucked last year. Not like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Giicomini and Pryor are the big ones for me. And Carpenter is way better than he was billed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 is James Carpenter kicking *$$ for the dline too? He's definitely an upgrade at LG. And I wouldn't say the DL is playing better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 To me it's quite simple- Buffalo's defense has been playing poorly with many of the same players that made up a good defense last year. The Jets have some players that were playing poorly last year and have shown much improvement this year. This tells me 2 things: 1) Ryan's scheme does not work well anymore. 2) Bowles is the better coach. 1-I don't necessarily believe that, and I'm probably his biggest critic. The problem is Rex does not vary from his scheme. Sure he may occasionally try to play a zone or give different looks from different fronts, but once the ball is snapped his D's are pretty much the same no matter what the presnap look is. He covers backs and TE's in man coverage with Safeties and LB's regardless of the athleticism (or lack there of) of the player, and that's going to make a guy like Harris who's not built to be out there chasing guys down look bad. Harris is a guy who should be pursuing the QB or manning a zone, not chasing guys in man covg 1x1. If Rex has the players to fit his scheme, ala 8 1st round picks lol, then it does work. Problem is when you have 8 1st round picks on D that leaves you with nothing to play with on the other side of the ball. Not that he cares. 2-And the sky is blue, too. Even after only 5 games I think this is abundantly clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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