Rich Cimini" I'm predicting Baker Mayfield at No. 3....I really think they like Mayfield"

[Vudu]

Mayfield should be the pick at 3.

He's going to end up being the best of the bunch.

 

[32EBoozer]

29 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

From what I have heard Rosen is pretty use to being the smartest guy in the room. Pretty sure he can spot the other smart, yet not quite as smart him guys and ask them the question.

Pretty sure Bowles will be in wide eyed awe of him for awhile being it’s the first potentially franchise QB he has gotten to coach since becoming a head coach. At the same time it’s reasonable to think he won’t know what do at first. 

Todd is stil going to learn how to feel about his rookie QB standing on the sideline in his uniform i game day  and not khakis and a Brooke’s Brothers casual shirt. “ Well damn, will you take a look at that!” 

Best case.... he’s Brady w/o the super-model arm candy. Everyone can’t stand him but he will find a way to win

[Jimmy 2 Times]

One thing is for certain:  The fan base is just as spilt as the media on who we should pick.

 

I say draft Nelson, play Hack, and wait for a unanimous pick next year!

[JohnnyLV]

1 hour ago, k-met57 said:

Rosen will be the pick. There are too many signs pointing to it...and he probably has the most upside aside from Allen.

What signs? All the signs I see point clearly to the Jets taking Mayfield.

[Philc1]

1 hour ago, k-met57 said:

Rosen will be the pick. There are too many signs pointing to it...and he probably has the most upside aside from Allen.

Rosen absolutely should be the pick at 3.  But Jets

[Maxman]

17 hours ago, long suffering jets fan said:

Is he a quarterback, or a freedom fighter, I'm not sure. 

Who Tom or Rosen? The jury is still out on Rosen.

But Tom is definitely a freedom fighter.

[joewilly12]

1 hour ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

One thing is for certain:  The fan base is just as spilt as the media on who we should pick.

 

I say draft Nelson, play Hack, and wait for a unanimous pick next year!

Jake Fromm

[rangerous]

18 hours ago, Jetsbb said:

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/75606/projecting-jets-best-case-scenario-at-qb-and-it-includes-baker-mayfield

Rich Cimini keeps doubling down on his belief Jets have Baker Mayfield as their top choice. You can say smoke screen but doesn't that leave a beat reporter who covers your team every day out to dry?

frankly is bridgewater comes back from his injury strong he should be the opening day starter and mccown should be on the trade block. but the still troubling scenario is when the team hand off from mccown to mayfield will be.  my guess is bowles won't do it until the team is eliminated from playoff competition but that could be counter productive.  i think i would like them to set a time table for game four or five etc.  give the rook a taste of being in the hunt.  and, of course, it all depends on the type of training camp he has. 

[Fantasy Island]

18 hours ago, Gas2No99 said:

He's been DEAD wrong on predicting almost EVERYTHING the Jets will do under the MacCagnan administration. 

 

Because he tries factoring in logic, you can't do that with Mac.  Even Mac doesn't know what he is going to do.  It just happens,man.

[BigRy56]

Baker would be an absolute rockstar here. I don't see him as being better than Rosen skill-wise, but personality wise he is a great fit.

[varjet]

12 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

Baker would be an absolute rockstar here. I don't see him as being better than Rosen skill-wise, but personality wise he is a great fit.

I think Cimini is betting that the Giants take Rosen and the Jets take Mayfield over Allen. 

Crazier theories have been postulated. 

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

1- Darnold

2 - Rosen

3 - Mayfield

Is the most likely order of QB's drafted so Cimini might be Carnac the Magnificent on this one

[Freemanm]

We keep walking about the first round pick, but we need to see where there's value in the later round. Orlando Brown, OT Oklahoma should be the third pick He had a bad combine, but a great college career, and could be a long term solution on the O-line

The fourth pick should be edge rusher J'avon Rolland Jones out of Arkansas. He'll probably be available in the fourth round because people say he played against weak competition in college, but he's a freakish athlete and with some grooming can finally be the edge rusher we need.

[JetBlue]

20 hours ago, Gas2No99 said:

I think you just described an extremely talented young person who does not conform to the "antiquated" social norms of the current powers that be; his rebelliousness is consistent with his generation of being out spoken and may even be considered attractive and lauded enough by his millennial peers to even possibly draw in their viewership. 

Pretty much sounds like a modern day version of Joe Namath with whom EVERYONE here LOVES, even those who never saw him play. 

Can you imagine Joe Namath playing in today's social media driven, 24 sports radio and tv, #metoo, etc?  Be interesting to read what this board might have to say about him...

[jetstream23]

17 hours ago, johnnysd said:

All they see is Manziel and they just get blinded. In my view, he is CLEARLY the best QB in the draft. 

There are two concerns I hear most about Mayfield.  His height and his temperament/off-field stuff.  I'm not concerned about the latter....I think he'll mature and those kinds of things (crotch grabbing, etc.) won't be repeated in the NFL.  However the former is a legitimate concern regardless of how well he did in college and the fact that there are the occasional outliers like Drew Brees and Russell Wilson who succeed in spite of their height.  I don't know that Mayfield's height will be an issue in the NFL (maybe it will, maybe it won't) but I do know that it is a disadvantage he has that none of the other guys do.  He'll be taking the ball the from a 6'5 Center that the Jets just signed in FA and NFL defenders are much more adept at obscuring passing lanes and getting hands up than collegiate players.  Just like defenses in the NFL make a concerted effort to rush and blitz Brady up the middle and force him to run outside instead of getting comfortable in the pocket, I think defenses will do the opposite against Mayfield and try to force him to stay tucked in a pocket and have to make big throws from positions of compromised visibility.

Again, I don't know if his height will be an issue for him or not but Mayfield has to overcome some things that the other prospects don't.  And, unlike Brees (2nd round) and Wilson (3rd) round some team is going make this guy a 1st round pick.  Will he live up to it? (no pun intended) 

[Adoni Beast]

I’m surprised that Mayfield’s velocity at the combine isn’t talked about more. His is 5th all time, with 60 (Allen was 62, no one else reached 60 this year). To be that accurate, with that kind of velocity, I don’t know how it’s not being discussed more other than people just hating on him.

Concerned about seeing the field with his height? Fair concern. But he can make all the throws, on time and accurately to any point of the field. Just gotta move the pocket with the playcallijg more.

[Joejet]

8 hours ago, johnnysd said:

What signs? All the signs I see point clearly to the Jets taking Mayfield.

Sign, sign everywhere a sign, blocking out the scenery, breakin’ my mind/ Do this don’t do that can’t you read the sign?

Probably only us old people will get this.

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

Interesting read, maybe Mayfield would have taken Wyoming to the top...

In 2013, Baker Mayfield walked on at Texas Tech and ascended rapidly.

Mayfield was a historic recruiting miss by almost the entire country. He was a low three-star on the 247Sports Composite, with his only listed offers from FAU, New Mexico, and Rice. Mayfield opted to pay his own way in Lubbock instead. Anticipated starter Michael Brewer was injured before the season, and Mayfield started to get things to fall into place for himself.

He was the first true freshman walk-on in FBS history to start a season opener at QB, we think. Mayfield won that game, 41-23 at SMU, and the next four games after that. On Oct. 5, he was 5-0 with nearly 1,500 yards and an efficiency rating near 150. He’d slipped into Kliff Kingsbury’s air-raid offense and was making it rain.

Mayfield got hurt and started to slide down Tech’s depth chart.

He’d been injured in a Week 5 win at Kansas. Tech won the next two games in his absence but then embarked on a five-game losing streak. Mayfield didn’t return until the third of those losses, to Kansas State on Nov. 9. He later said Kingsbury didn’t communicate with him while he was injured, and that he could’ve played sooner.

“When I got hurt, there was no communication between me and my coach,” Mayfield told ESPN. “When I got healthy, I didn’t know why I wasn’t playing right away. At that time, we were losing a couple games in a row. I was still clueless as to why I wasn’t playing. That was really frustrating for me because I started the first five games and we won. So, I just didn’t really know exactly what he was thinking or what the situation was.”

When Mayfield did get back on the field, he didn’t know “how short the leash would be.” He started the last few games of the regular season, both losses.

Mayfield announced he’d transfer in December 2013.

He said Texas Tech hadn’t offered him a scholarship for the spring semester, which was fairly wild given the season he’d had. FBS teams get 85 scholarships, and managing them is tough, but Mayfield was an above-average starting QB. Kingsbury has denied that Mayfield wouldn’t have gotten a spring scholarship.

Future NFL pick Davis Webb had overtaken Mayfield on TTU’s roster, and Patrick Mahomes, an eventual first-rounder, would become TTU’s 2014 starter.

Mayfield transferred to Oklahoma. That got ugly.

There are two relevant rules to know here. One is the NCAA’s, and one is the Big 12’s. The NCAA’s says that players who transfer, if they haven’t already graduated, must sit out a year before returning to game action. That “academic year in residence” is a redshirt season, so players get an extra season tacked on at the end of their careers.

But the Big 12 has a rule that if players transfer within the conference, they lose that year of eligibility, in addition to having to sit out the season. That loss of eligibility could be waived by the player’s former school, but Tech denied Mayfield’s request to do that — and also, for a while, to let Oklahoma put Mayfield on scholarship.

Once Tech relented on that point, the NCAA let Oklahoma have an extra scholarship slot for Mayfield as he sat out 2014.

Mayfield didn’t do much in 2014, though he did get kicked out of a Lubbock restaurant while the Sooners were in town during the season:

The night before OU and Texas Tech played, he sat down for dinner at a Chimy’s restaurant. But, before he could finish his meal, he was approached by a restaurant worker and asked to leave.

Without putting up a fight, Mayfield exited the restaurant under a shower of boos.

“Besides eat my tacos and drink my water, I don’t think (I did anything to deserve it),” Mayfield said Tuesday, recalling the incident. “I didn’t want any trouble so I just walked happily out of there and went on.”

When Mayfield became eligible in 2015 and won the Sooners’ QB job in fall camp, he figured to only have two more years of eligibility. The 2016 season was supposed to be his last in college.

Somewhere around here, TCU head coach Gary Patterson spoke up for Texas Tech, accusing Mayfield’s dad of being a pain.

Just spoke with TCU coach Gary Patterson, who, while at practice for the Horned Frogs' Alamo Bowl match-up vs Oregon, called over the coach who recruited Mayfield, DC Chad Glasgow. "When did we tell Baker Mayfield he wasn't getting a scholarship?"

"First week of January," I heard Glasgow respond.

Patterson: "I like Baker Mayfield. I think he's a good kid and that's what disappoints me.

"If Baker Mayfield wants to blame TCU for 128 BCS schools not offering him a scholarship, that's fine. But ask Kliff Kingsbury why he didn't offer him a scholarship at Texas Tech. Ask about Baker's dad [James]. He's an arrogant guy who thinks he knows everything. If people knew the whole story, they might not have a great opinion of Baker or his father."

The Big 12 later tweaked its rule to prevent Mayfield from losing a year.

College administrators don’t usually pass rules to make it easier for players to transfer, but they did here. The Big 12 made a change to let some walk-ons transfer within the conference without losing eligibility. Mayfield’s case was covered, because he hadn’t received a written scholarship offer from Texas Tech:

Instead of allowing all walk-ons to transfer regardless, the reps amended the original proposal, allowing only walk-ons without written scholarship offers from their original schools to transfer without losing a season of eligibility. If the walk-on elected to transfer after being offered a scholarship from the original school, then the player would face the league's same eligibility restrictions that apply to scholarship players.

The amended proposal passed 7-3.

The Big 12’s rule change gave him a third year of playing time in Norman. Without it, continuing Mayfield’s college career into 2017 would’ve required him to be a graduate transfer outside of the conference.

And that’s how a star freshman QB at one Big 12 school goes on to be a three-year star at another Big 12 school, where he’ll probably crush his old team on Saturday.

At OU, Mayfield is 2-0 against Tech. Last year, he had 545 passing yards and seven touchdowns against the Red Raiders in a 66-59 barnburner.

[long suffering jets fan]

7 hours ago, Maxman said:

Who Tom or Rosen? The jury is still out on Rosen.

But Tom is definitely a freedom fighter.

But is Tom a QB?  His freedom fighterhood is legendary.

[JohnnyLV]

2 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

There are two concerns I hear most about Mayfield.  His height and his temperament/off-field stuff.  I'm not concerned about the latter....I think he'll mature and those kinds of things (crotch grabbing, etc.) won't be repeated in the NFL.  However the former is a legitimate concern regardless of how well he did in college and the fact that there are the occasional outliers like Drew Brees and Russell Wilson who succeed in spite of their height.  I don't know that Mayfield's height will be an issue in the NFL (maybe it will, maybe it won't) but I do know that it is a disadvantage he has that none of the other guys do.  He'll be taking the ball the from a 6'5 Center that the Jets just signed in FA and NFL defenders are much more adept at obscuring passing lanes and getting hands up than collegiate players.  Just like defenses in the NFL make a concerted effort to rush and blitz Brady up the middle and force him to run outside instead of getting comfortable in the pocket, I think defenses will do the opposite against Mayfield and try to force him to stay tucked in a pocket and have to make big throws from positions of compromised visibility.

Again, I don't know if his height will be an issue for him or not but Mayfield has to overcome some things that the other prospects don't.  And, unlike Brees (2nd round) and Wilson (3rd) round some team is going make this guy a 1st round pick.  Will he live up to it? (no pun intended) 

I think the height concern is the most overblown thing in football. Only giraffe like QBs such as Glennon can actually see over lineman. College lineman are roughly the dame size actually. In addition, Mayfield has never had an issue with batted balls, and his coach says he has an "artisitc arm" allowing him to throw from all different angles to fit it in the right spot. He has footwork in the pocket like Brees. As an aside, having played poker with Brees a few times, there is no way in hell he is his listed height of 6'. He is 5'10 or 5'10.5" max. Am I 5"9 and we see eye to eye. He is the last guy you would pick in a crowd to be a HOF QB. Baker is largely the same.

The retort to this is that few short QBs have succeeded in the NFL. Well, being short also generally means that you are also smaller framed, less durable, and much less likely to have an NFL arm. That is why they do not succeed in the NFL- they just do not usually have the physical capability or durability. Baker does however. You do not see many short pitchers either for the same reason.

Also, it is just this old school thing. The NFL is so set in their ways they can not see things clearly. "Short" QBs are one of those blindspots.

 

 

[Warfish]

2 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

I think the height concern is the most overblown thing in football. Only giraffe like QBs such as Glennon can actually see over lineman. College lineman are roughly the dame size actually. In addition, Mayfield has never had an issue with batted balls, and his coach says he has an "artisitc arm" allowing him to throw from all different angles to fit it in the right spot. He has footwork in the pocket like Brees. As an aside, having played poker with Brees a few times, there is no way in hell he is his listed height of 6'. He is 5'10 or 5'10.5" max. Am I 5"9 and we see eye to eye. He is the last guy you would pick in a crowd to be a HOF QB. Baker is largely the same.

The retort to this is that few short QBs have succeeded in the NFL. Well, being short also generally means that you are also smaller framed, less durable, and much less likely to have an NFL arm. That is why they do not succeed in the NFL- they just do not usually have the physical capability or durability. Baker does however. You do not see many short pitchers either for the same reason.

Also, it is just this old school thing. The NFL is so set in their ways they can not see things clearly. "Short" QBs are one of those blindspots.

 

 

My only retort is.....to ask when you played poker with Drew f'ing Brees.

 

[Charlie Brown]

9 minutes ago, Warfish said:

My only retort is.....to ask when you played poker with Drew f'ing Brees.

 

And more importantly when is the next game!!!!  

[kmnj]

baker would be a terrible pick for many reasons-one being they did not need to trade to get him-he would have been there at 6-the second is he is a repeat of manziel -a bust waiting to happen. The same folks that are cheering for baker loved the  hackenburg pick too-this draft will rank up there with the marino draft-6 qbs should go round one-and must like back then we will end up with todays version of Ken Obrien or worse

 

[Jetsbb]

13 hours ago, varjet said:

I think Cimini is betting that the Giants take Rosen and the Jets take Mayfield over Allen. 

Crazier theories have been postulated. 

No that is not what he is saying. Multiple times in various articles he says Jets like Mayfield over Rosen.

[JohnnyLV]

7 hours ago, Warfish said:

My only retort is.....to ask when you played poker with Drew f'ing Brees.

 

i can't claim to be a friend or acquaintance of Brees, but back in the days when he was still a Charger, the WSOP used to run a satellite event at Harrahs casino out here.  Through some twist of luck over a couple years, we wound up at the same table. I talked with him some in breaks face to face and across the table, played a few hands against him, and yes when I stood facing him we looked at each other pretty much eye to eye. He is like 5'10, max. He was also really laid back and nice. Was before he was a future HOF QB, when SD wanted Rivers to start and then he throws up an All Pro year.

[Patriot Killa]

10 hours ago, johnnysd said:

I think the height concern is the most overblown thing in football. Only giraffe like QBs such as Glennon can actually see over lineman. College lineman are roughly the dame size actually. In addition, Mayfield has never had an issue with batted balls, and his coach says he has an "artisitc arm" allowing him to throw from all different angles to fit it in the right spot. He has footwork in the pocket like Brees. As an aside, having played poker with Brees a few times, there is no way in hell he is his listed height of 6'. He is 5'10 or 5'10.5" max. Am I 5"9 and we see eye to eye. He is the last guy you would pick in a crowd to be a HOF QB. Baker is largely the same.

The retort to this is that few short QBs have succeeded in the NFL. Well, being short also generally means that you are also smaller framed, less durable, and much less likely to have an NFL arm. That is why they do not succeed in the NFL- they just do not usually have the physical capability or durability. Baker does however. You do not see many short pitchers either for the same reason.

Also, it is just this old school thing. The NFL is so set in their ways they can not see things clearly. "Short" QBs are one of those blindspots.

 

 

Decent post but footwork like Drew Brees..? Gtfo outta here lmao..no one in the NFL has footwork like Drew Brees much less college. Baker needs to work on his foot work if you ask me. He also can get a little antsy in the pocket.

I like Baker a lot though. He’s my #2 QB on the board and absolutely think we should take him if Rosen is gone. 

But that footwork comment? ...No..I can’t go for that lmao.

[RutgersJetFan]

That restaurant story is hilarious. Southerners are ******* nuts man.

[prime21]

13 hours ago, kmnj said:

baker would be a terrible pick for many reasons-one being they did not need to trade to get him-he would have been there at 6-the second is he is a repeat of manziel -a bust waiting to happen. The same folks that are cheering for baker loved the  hackenburg pick too-this draft will rank up there with the marino draft-6 qbs should go round one-and must like back then we will end up with todays version of Ken Obrien or worse

 

I read similar comments one here all the time.  The trade assures them of a top QB prospect.  Could you imagine if teams started trading up in front of us and all 4 QB's ae gone by the time the 6th pick came?  It would rank right up near the top of the Jets misery list.  

[JustInFudge]

On 4/7/2018 at 8:08 PM, T0mShane said:

I talk sh*t because I know I’m going to eat.

PresidentMal

I talk sh*t because I'm obsessed with myself. 

[T0mShane]

19 hours ago, Adoni Beast said:

I’m surprised that Mayfield’s velocity at the combine isn’t talked about more. His is 5th all time, with 60 (Allen was 62, no one else reached 60 this year). To be that accurate, with that kind of velocity, I don’t know how it’s not being discussed more other than people just hating on him.

Concerned about seeing the field with his height? Fair concern. But he can make all the throws, on time and accurately to any point of the field. Just gotta move the pocket with the playcallijg more.

3/8ths of an inch shorter than Aaron Rodgers, so auto-DQ, my mang.

[T0mShane]

17 minutes ago, JiF said:

PresidentMal

I talk sh*t because I'm obsessed with myself. 

Imagine being that mediocre and still feeling like you’re amazing. Imagine recording your own stats in pick up basketball, for that matter 

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Baker Mayfield is the franchise QB in this draft. Put on the tape and find me someone that processes quicker, and throws more accurately. There isn't.

[JustInFudge]

18 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Imagine being that mediocre and still feeling like you’re amazing. Imagine recording your own stats in pick up basketball, for that matter 

My jump shot > Jamal Adams coverage 

[Adoni Beast]

Just as important as Mayfield’s accuracy is his ability to process quickly, scan the field, and have a quick release. Those are all things that Mayfield excels at and Allen has failed at. 

They’re also the biggest traits of a successful quarterback in the league.

[Bruce Harper]

6 hours ago, prime21 said:

I read similar comments one here all the time.  The trade assures them of a top QB prospect.  Could you imagine if teams started trading up in front of us and all 4 QB's ae gone by the time the 6th pick came?  It would rank right up near the top of the Jets misery list.  

Plus the premise that Mayfield will be there at 6 is most likely incorrect.