Warfish Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, TeddEY said: Overall, I agree with all of this. One thing, and I wouldn't even fight you that hard on it, is that I'm not terribly worried about the wins next year. Our schedule, today at least, looks much more difficult, and I don't think all the problems of this team can be resolved in one offseason. You're right, we can't fix everything, just look at my plan in the other thread today (the "What do you do on 12/31/19" thread). With that said, here is the problem about not worrying about wins: 5-11, 5-11, 4-12, 5-11. That's our likely record 2016-2019. If we go 5-11 again in 2020, the Johnson's might just have a conniption fit and start tearing down everything yet again. We have to show improvement to warrant investment. And that includes wins. Darnold winning only 14 games in three years is a bad look. He needs to will this team to 8-8 next year. It's just gotta happen. If we go the route I think we need to, and I think Douglas will, I'm far more confidant we can do an 8-8 or better year. If we do those things, and again, fail to win 6 games...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, RonaldJet said: Lets look at their first two years (both third overall picks) Bortles 635/1081 58% 7336 Yds 6.8 YPA 46 TD 35 INT Darnold 473/793 60% 5507 Yds 6.9 YPA 34 TD 27 INT Darnold is the next Blake Bortles IMO. Big athletic kid who can’t really read a defense. Bortles is a much more dangerous with his legs, and Darnold is slightly more accurate on short passes. I hope I’m wrong about Sam, but I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. The kid is a likely bust and I’d advise all Jets fans not to get emotionally attached to him. He’s not going to be the QB of the team three years from now. You have to be a troll haha. Darnold has played with the weakest offensive unit in the NFL for close to 2 years now. Bortles had players around him and also protection. Not only does Darnold run for his life virtually every time he drops back but he also usually has to hit a pass into a window the size of a thimble (see last night 1st TD pass, window smaller than a thimble) because his receivers rarely get ANY kind of separation. The situation Darnold has been in since Day 1 is the exact OPPOSITE of what a Mahomes or Jackson has been in since their Day 1...Darnold has had to “play in Hell”. I don’t bother to look at Darnold’s stats at this point, because it’s worthless due to the teams he has played on. What I do though is look at some of the throws he has hit, many that MOST QBs in the NFL can not, Bortles?? Forget it. You give him a million years he couldn’t duplicate some of the plays Darnold has made. Does Darnold still have some leaks in his game? Absolutely. Can they be corrected? Will they maybe just go away with better personnel and more experience? There is a good chance. You know there is 1 stat you threw up there that I will look at. Completion % 60%....Darnold is far from Capt Checkdown Chad Pennington...that 60% might well turn into close to 70% playing with real NFL players in the future. And that’s from a kid who has been forced to play lots of schoolyard ball because he has almost never had any protection. 60% at this point is outstanding. Perspective...you put Mark Sanchez in Darnold’s shoes since Day 1...and no exaggeration I doubt he completes 35% of his passes. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: You have to be a troll haha. Darnold has played with the weakest offensive unit in the NFL for close to 2 years now. Bortles had players around him and also protection. Not only does Darnold run for his life virtually every time he drops back but he also usually has to hit a pass into a window the size of a thimble (see last night 1st TD pass, window smaller than a thimble) because his receivers rarely get ANY kind of separation. The situation Darnold has been in since Day 1 is the exact OPPOSITE of what a Mahomes or Jackson has been in since their Day 1...Darnold has had to “play in Hell”. I don’t bother to look at Darnold’s stats at this point, because it’s worthless due to the teams he has played on. What I do though is look at some of the throws he has hit, many that MOST QBs in the NFL can not, Bortles?? Forget it. You give him a million years he couldn’t duplicate some of the plays Darnold has made. Does Darnold still have some leaks in his game? Absolutely. Can they be corrected? Will they maybe just go away with better personnel and more experience? There is a good chance. You know there is 1 stat you threw up there that I will look at. Completion % 60%....Darnold is far from Capt Checkdown Chad Pennington...that 60% might well turn into close to 70% playing with real NFL players in the future. And that’s from a kid who has been forced to play lots of schoolyard ball because he has almost never had any protection. 60% at this point is outstanding. Perspective...you put Mark Sanchez in Darnold’s shoes since Day 1...and no exaggeration I doubt he completes 35% of his passes. he is just a troll. He posts one dumb thread after the other then just disappears to bait people. I guess I fall for it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, jetstream23 said: Sorry, I don't trust anyone trying to compare things who can't even spell the word comparison. It's French. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 hours ago, RonaldJet said: Lets look at their first two years (both third overall picks) Bortles 635/1081 58% 7336 Yds 6.8 YPA 46 TD 35 INT Darnold 473/793 60% 5507 Yds 6.9 YPA 34 TD 27 INT Darnold is the next Blake Bortles IMO. Big athletic kid who can’t really read a defense. Bortles is a much more dangerous with his legs, and Darnold is slightly more accurate on short passes. I hope I’m wrong about Sam, but I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. The kid is a likely bust and I’d advise all Jets fans not to get emotionally attached to him. He’s not going to be the QB of the team three years from now. Stats from the first 2 years on horrific rosters mean Dick, so go eat a bag of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chrebetfan80 Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Warfish said: This. Honestly, I think the hyperbole in both directions shows exactly how terrified Jet Fandom is about Darnold. The Favre comparisons doesn't read as confidence, it reads as hyperbolic terror......the fear the guy we're all so invested in, just isn't that great and maybe won't ever become great. Hence the overcompensation and hype for what is, to-date, pretty inconsistent and meh production. Everyone agrees we need to improve around him: O-line. WR #1. RB (if/when Bell is traded). A hard look at WR #2-WR#4. TE is probably Ok with Herndon and Griffin. But even so, as said elsewhere, no one will care in 10 years how tough Darnold had it, how many flashes he showed, or who his supporting cast or coach was. He either WILL produce or he will not, that is all that will matter. No one today cares that say, Tim Couch, showed flashes (he did), was in a tough spot on bad teams (he was) or the rest. He's a bust, that is how history sees him. Sam must play 16 games next year. No Mono. No injuries. He must produce an average NFL QB level of production, ~4,000 yards, 28 or more TD's, 15 or less INT's. And 8+ wins. No matter who his teammates are. If not, be assured, the bust label will start to get applied, by the wide world if not those here. Perhaps instead of pretending he is Favre, we should be posting about how Douglas needs to GM to support him being average to start with. I care far more about who will be playing O-line next year than do some silly hyperbolic " god he's so dreamy and gunslinger and Favre-like" puff posts. All these posts are just fans that are either too quick to praise in hopes of finding something positive about the past few seasons to hang onto, or cynical fans that are just so beaten down by repeated jets failures that they are SURE this is the next in a long line of them. Reality is Darnold came in as a 20 year old player who had basically a year and half starting experience in college. He only started playing quarterback i believe his Junior year of high school, so we're talking about a kid that prior to his first NFL start had 3.5 years of QB experience prior to taking his first NFL snap. I dont know what Darnold will ultimately become, but having worked with NFL quarterback trainers and Former NFL Quarterbacks before I can tell you what I see now and what I saw in him as a prospect: Darnold has all the tools you want in a potential franchise qb. His demeanor and temperament are textbook, he's got more than enough arm to make all the throws, his accuracy both in the short and midrange is excellent and his ability to throw on the run is borderline elite. From what I can tell right now from watching the games and the occasional ALL 22 film there are a few issues. 1) He's not seeing the whole field yet consistently, there are times he's locking onto a target still and trying to hammer things home when he's got guys open in the flat. 2) his mechanics and footwork are still wonky at times, and it causes his ball to sail on him. 3) He's been reluctant this year to stand and deliver passes in the face of pressure (especially up the middle) and instead will throw off his back foot. Now all of these things are correctable, and all of them can probably even be helped by upgrading the talent around him. He also has to do a ton of work himself in the offseason focusing on his footwork and his throwing mechanics making sure he's disassociating his core from his hips to create torque for throwing power instead of a lot of arm and also working on his follow throw as he doesnt always snap across his body which leaves his ball high on some passes. Again overall I have no idea if he'll make all the corrections necessary to reach the upper levels his physical gifts and talents could put him into, but I am pretty comfortable saying that upgrading the talent around him to a respectable/ good level would result in Darnold at worst being a consistent top 15 qb. If he makes all the corrections then there is a real possibility he's a consistently higher end top 10 QB possibly top 5. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said: Reality is Darnold came in as a 20 year old player who had basically a year and half starting experience in college. He only started playing quarterback i believe his Junior year of high school, so we're talking about a kid that prior to his first NFL start had 3.5 years of QB experience prior to taking his first NFL snap. First good post, so don't take what I say next as criticism per se, please. But I wanted to touch on the "Darnold is only 22 and only played three days at QB in college" thing. I simply do not see this as a defense or reason or excuse (pick your preferred word). If a GM picked a High School kid to come play Linebacker, and he clearly wasn't ready to play, no one would say 'well, he's only 16 and only started playing Lineback five days ago". They would expect a pro to be ready to be a pro, otherwise they would criticize the kid for coming out too early and the GM for selecting a not-ready prospect and playing them too early. Rightfully so! Every time I hear "Darnold is only...." I cringe. If he wasn't ready to be a Pro, then he should have stayed in college. If the Jets thought he wasn't ready, he shouldn't have been starting from day 1. If his lack of QB experience made him not ready, etc, etc, etc. The #1 QB job is just that, a job. Fans, rightfully, expect players doing that job to be ready to do it. Not to spend two years learning how to do it. His being too young or too inexperienced is not an excuse, it's (frankly) a mistake by management. If he wasn't ready to play, we should have, and be playing, someone else. Now, let me be clear, I think Darnold IS ready to play, has enough experience, and his age is not relevant IMO to his playing now. So I do not fault management for playing him, I supported it. But by that same line of reasoning, I also do not excuse his play because of age. he is the #1 QB of an NFL Football team. He has a job to do. He needs to do it. 22 or 42, he needs to do it. We don't get free points for his age, so his age doesn't matter. And 22 or 26, both ages still have "time to improve", so that's not relevant either. I don;t know, I just tire of this excuse tbqh. No one in any other job would ever get the "well, he's only 22" excuse card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Warfish said: First good post, so don't take what I say next as criticism per se, please. But I wanted to touch on the "Darnold is only 22 and only played three days at QB in college" thing. I simply do not see this as a defense or reason or excuse (pick your preferred word). If a GM picked a High School kid to come play Linebacker, and he clearly wasn't ready to play, no one would say 'well, he's only 16 and only started playing Lineback five days ago". They would expect a pro to be ready to be a pro, otherwise they would criticize the kid for coming out too early and the GM for selecting a not-ready prospect and playing them too early. Rightfully so! Every time I hear "Darnold is only...." I cringe. If he wasn't ready to be a Pro, then he should have stayed in college. If the Jets thought he wasn't ready, he shouldn't have been starting from day 1. If his lack of QB experience made him not ready, etc, etc, etc. The #1 QB job is just that, a job. Fans, rightfully, expect players doing that job to be ready to do it. Not to spend two years learning how to do it. His being too young or too inexperienced is not an excuse, it's (frankly) a mistake by management. If he wasn't ready to play, we should have, and be playing, someone else. Now, let me be clear, I think Darnold IS ready to play, has enough experience, and his age is not relevant IMO to his playing now. So I do not fault management for playing him, I supported it. But by that same line of reasoning, I also do not excuse his play because of age. he is the #1 QB of an NFL Football team. He has a job to do. He needs to do it. 22 or 42, he needs to do it. We don't get free points for his age, so his age doesn't matter. And 22 or 26, both ages still have "time to improve", so that's not relevant either. I don;t know, I just tire of this excuse tbqh. No one in any other job would ever get the "well, he's only 22" excuse card. I dont think its a excuse. I think its true. Not just for sam but for others as well. Not everyone catches fire right away also not everyone gets lucky enough to play is a good situation right away. Right now Sam is not in a good situation compared to Josh Allen and Lamar. I think that's more where the "whole he is only 22" thing comes from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Warfish said: First good post, so don't take what I say next as criticism per se, please. But I wanted to touch on the "Darnold is only 22 and only played three days at QB in college" thing. I simply do not see this as a defense or reason or excuse (pick your preferred word). If a GM picked a High School kid to come play Linebacker, and he clearly wasn't ready to play, no one would say 'well, he's only 16 and only started playing Lineback five days ago". They would expect a pro to be ready to be a pro, otherwise they would criticize the kid for coming out too early and the GM for selecting a not-ready prospect and playing them too early. Rightfully so! Every time I hear "Darnold is only...." I cringe. If he wasn't ready to be a Pro, then he should have stayed in college. If the Jets thought he wasn't ready, he shouldn't have been starting from day 1. If his lack of QB experience made him not ready, etc, etc, etc. The #1 QB job is just that, a job. Fans, rightfully, expect players doing that job to be ready to do it. Not to spend two years learning how to do it. His being too young or too inexperienced is not an excuse, it's (frankly) a mistake by management. If he wasn't ready to play, we should have, and be playing, someone else. Now, let me be clear, I think Darnold IS ready to play, has enough experience, and his age is not relevant IMO to his playing now. So I do not fault management for playing him, I supported it. But by that same line of reasoning, I also do not excuse his play because of age. he is the #1 QB of an NFL Football team. He has a job to do. He needs to do it. 22 or 42, he needs to do it. We don't get free points for his age, so his age doesn't matter. And 22 or 26, both ages still have "time to improve", so that's not relevant either. I don;t know, I just tire of this excuse tbqh. No one in any other job would ever get the "well, he's only 22" excuse card. maybe youre misreading my meaning by my comments. I am not excusing his play due to his age, I am merely pointing out that the normal learning curve of a QB in the league may not apply directly to what Darnold is going through right now because of said age. He is ready to play, there is no doubt about that, and he has had success in spurts which shows a glimmer of all the things I talked about in my previous post. The mistakes, success, failures have nothing to do with his age. For me the only reason I pull up the age thing is because mechanically, physically, and sometimes mentally the learning curve is different based on experience level and age. So while we may look at next year (being his 3rd year) as the defining year to make a good evaluation on whether he was a "bust" or "success" that may not directly apply to him the same way it may apply to a quarterback coming out of college who started 4 years and is in him mid 20s. I merely use the "age card" as you say as a filter in my analysis of certain developmental traits that are projectable going forward. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Why do people get so worked up anytime someone says that maybe Sam won’t live up to the hype? If you are so confident he will be a stud, you shouldn’t need to be so defensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 First Favre, now Bortles. Why do people feel the need to be extreme both ways? Truth be told, I think Darnold will end up somewhere in the middle. Not elite, but not bottom tier either. To me, I just don't think that he'll never be type of QB to carry bad teams, but he has the talent to take good teams far (without giving the feeling that the team is carrying him ala Dak Prescott) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Slick Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 hours ago, RonaldJet said: Lets look at their first two years (both third overall picks) Bortles 635/1081 58% 7336 Yds 6.8 YPA 46 TD 35 INT Darnold 473/793 60% 5507 Yds 6.9 YPA 34 TD 27 INT Darnold is the next Blake Bortles IMO. Big athletic kid who can’t really read a defense. Bortles is a much more dangerous with his legs, and Darnold is slightly more accurate on short passes. I hope I’m wrong about Sam, but I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. The kid is a likely bust and I’d advise all Jets fans not to get emotionally attached to him. He’s not going to be the QB of the team three years from now. This guy is obviously a troll and should be banned. I'll just put him on ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Funny I was actually thinking this not too long ago. Bortles is a guy I remember showing flashes, followed by boneheaded plays, a lot like what we're seeing now. Remember when Bortles had that one big season, he still had a ton of turnovers and was being compared to Favre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Butterfield said: Why do people get so worked up anytime someone says that maybe Sam won’t live up to the hype? If you are so confident he will be a stud, you shouldn’t need to be so defensive. I don't think its being defensive. Most are fair about things he needs to work on. However some do go overboard with the negativity which seems agenda driven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 hours ago, RonaldJet said: Lets look at their first two years (both third overall picks) Bortles 635/1081 58% 7336 Yds 6.8 YPA 46 TD 35 INT Darnold 473/793 60% 5507 Yds 6.9 YPA 34 TD 27 INT Darnold is the next Blake Bortles IMO. Big athletic kid who can’t really read a defense. Bortles is a much more dangerous with his legs, and Darnold is slightly more accurate on short passes. I hope I’m wrong about Sam, but I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. The kid is a likely bust and I’d advise all Jets fans not to get emotionally attached to him. He’s not going to be the QB of the team three years from now. Ok That will do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 This post lost me at Ronaldjet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 hours ago, RonaldJet said: Lets look at their first two years (both third overall picks) Bortles 635/1081 58% 7336 Yds 6.8 YPA 46 TD 35 INT Darnold 473/793 60% 5507 Yds 6.9 YPA 34 TD 27 INT Darnold is the next Blake Bortles IMO. Big athletic kid who can’t really read a defense. Bortles is a much more dangerous with his legs, and Darnold is slightly more accurate on short passes. I hope I’m wrong about Sam, but I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. The kid is a likely bust and I’d advise all Jets fans not to get emotionally attached to him. He’s not going to be the QB of the team three years from now. Its sad that anyone is allowed to make threads. Read your own stat lines, Junior. And when you are done, go watch some football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 These comparisons of Darnold through two seasons to other QBs through 2 seasons are ridiculous. You can find a QB to support whatever your view of Sam is. Are his numbers similar to Blake Bortles? Yes. But guess what, they are also similar to Drew Brees after two seasons. I am fairly confident is stating that Sam's career will fall somehwere between Bortles and Brees. Bottom line is that none of us know how he will develop from here on out. He has shown some flashes, but has also made some maddening mistakes. He has been incredibly inconsistent. Within games and from game to game. As a Jet fan I am rooting for him and trying to grab on to the positive flashes to have some optimism heading into next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 47 minutes ago, Warfish said: First good post, so don't take what I say next as criticism per se, please. But I wanted to touch on the "Darnold is only 22 and only played three days at QB in college" thing. I simply do not see this as a defense or reason or excuse (pick your preferred word). If a GM picked a High School kid to come play Linebacker, and he clearly wasn't ready to play, no one would say 'well, he's only 16 and only started playing Lineback five days ago". They would expect a pro to be ready to be a pro, otherwise they would criticize the kid for coming out too early and the GM for selecting a not-ready prospect and playing them too early. Rightfully so! Every time I hear "Darnold is only...." I cringe. If he wasn't ready to be a Pro, then he should have stayed in college. If the Jets thought he wasn't ready, he shouldn't have been starting from day 1. If his lack of QB experience made him not ready, etc, etc, etc. The #1 QB job is just that, a job. Fans, rightfully, expect players doing that job to be ready to do it. Not to spend two years learning how to do it. His being too young or too inexperienced is not an excuse, it's (frankly) a mistake by management. If he wasn't ready to play, we should have, and be playing, someone else. Now, let me be clear, I think Darnold IS ready to play, has enough experience, and his age is not relevant IMO to his playing now. So I do not fault management for playing him, I supported it. But by that same line of reasoning, I also do not excuse his play because of age. he is the #1 QB of an NFL Football team. He has a job to do. He needs to do it. 22 or 42, he needs to do it. We don't get free points for his age, so his age doesn't matter. And 22 or 26, both ages still have "time to improve", so that's not relevant either. I don;t know, I just tire of this excuse tbqh. No one in any other job would ever get the "well, he's only 22" excuse card. On the bright side, I think his birthday is in July? So this will all end then. By the start of TC, it will be “he’s still only 23. Just a baby...” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: On the bright side, I think his birthday is in July? So this will all end then. By the start of TC, it will be “he’s still only 23. Just a baby...” I cant believe saying he is still young and learning bothers some so much lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, Jets723 said: I cant believe saying he is still young and learning bothers some so much lol Doesn't bother me, I just reject it as a reason/excuse for his reduced production. If being 22 is too young to play NFL QB and be judged like a #1 NFL QB, he shouldn't be playing, he should be sitting, learning, growing older, till he is "old enough". Personally, I think that is bollocks myself, he is old enough, hence his age is of no relevance to me, he gets judged for the job he is tasked to do (#1 QB), not by his age. Be assured, when he reaches year four of his contract, and the team is deciding what to do with him, no one in the front office is going to say "well, he's only 24, so we really have to extend him another five years at (massive number) because we just can't judge his first four years here, too young". The clock is ticking on Sam in NYC, 22, 23 or 103. That decision date comes regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Warfish said: Doesn't bother me, I just reject it as a reason/excuse for his reduced production. If being 22 is too young to play NFL QB and be judged like a #1 NFL QB, he shouldn't be playing, he should be sitting, learning, growing older, till he is "old enough". Personally, I think that is bollocks myself, he is old enough, hence his age is of no relevance to me, he gets judged for the job he is tasked to do (#1 QB), not by his age. Be assured, when he reaches year four of his contract, and the team is deciding what to do with him, no one in the front office is going to say "well, he's only 24, so we really have to extend him another five years at (massive number) because we just can't judge his first four years here, too young". The clock is ticking on Sam in NYC, 22, 23 or 103. That decision date comes regardless. I just think it is overreacting a bit. I don't see people saying tha fery two seconds. Even if they were its not really a big deal. He is young that's the truth. Nobody has vere said he has been flawless. In fact the majority of us who I guess are positive about Sam have been very objective about his issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 hours ago, RonaldJet said: Lets look at their first two years (both third overall picks) Bortles 635/1081 58% 7336 Yds 6.8 YPA 46 TD 35 INT Darnold 473/793 60% 5507 Yds 6.9 YPA 34 TD 27 INT Darnold is the next Blake Bortles IMO. Big athletic kid who can’t really read a defense. Bortles is a much more dangerous with his legs, and Darnold is slightly more accurate on short passes. I hope I’m wrong about Sam, but I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. The kid is a likely bust and I’d advise all Jets fans not to get emotionally attached to him. He’s not going to be the QB of the team three years from now. You are wrong about everything you post. Borders on idiocy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Jets723 said: A bust is someone who really does next to nothing . That's not the case with Sam he has shown some really good flashes. Not related to my feelings on Sam, but 'flashes' is the one dumbest things people say about players. All players in the NFL can show flashes. You don't get signed to a team if you're not able to show 'flashes'. Consistency is what matters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 53 minutes ago, King P said: First Favre, now Bortles. Why do people feel the need to be extreme both ways? Truth be told, I think Darnold will end up somewhere in the middle. Not elite, but not bottom tier either. To me, I just don't think that he'll never be type of QB to carry bad teams, but he has the talent to take good teams far (without giving the feeling that the team is carrying him ala Dak Prescott) He reminds me of Tony Romo. Lots of stupid bonehead mistakes in between crazy sick passes. He wasn't a great QB until he got a stud RB and 5 stud OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Bortles was prototype. Sam not so much. Sam will be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Not related to my feelings on Sam, but 'flashes' is the one dumbest things people say about players. All players in the NFL can show flashes. You don't get signed to a team if you're not able to show 'flashes'. Consistency is what matters. No sh*t. I think you misinterpreted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Again, I don't know what Darnold will become, but had one bad pass that was a miscommunication between him and the 4th string TE that has zero chemistry with him. One. With this sh*t roster/O-Line. Against the best team in the NFL. One. What did you people expect yesterday, for real? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Again, I don't know what Darnold will become, but had one bad pass that was a miscommunication between him and the 4th string TE that has zero chemistry with him. One. With this sh*t roster/O-Line. Against the best team in the NFL. One. What did you people expect yesterday, for real? Agreed. And he still played well outside of the one bad throw to our 4th string TE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Bortles was on much better teams talent wise immediately in his career. Much better coaches also. That said, Bortles can't even hold Sam's jock strap. Darnold > Bortles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 hours ago, TeddEY said: Overall, I agree with all of this. One thing, and I wouldn't even fight you that hard on it, is that I'm not terribly worried about the wins next year. Our schedule, today at least, looks much more difficult, and I don't think all the problems of this team can be resolved in one offseason. So, I'll be looking for the same thing I'm looking for this year, that we didn't really get, and that's improved decision making. YOLO Balls and throws to no one have to be all but gone, and a bad supporting cast isn't an excuse for this. He needs to show he can do more than roll out, minimizing the decisions he needs to make, and throw to the one guy in his sight. I don't really care about overall record if he does that. Wins will follow good play, but it's gonna take more than a season to make up for just how bad a job Macc did. +1 Brees was annihilating record books - averaging 5100+ yards and 37 TDs while completing 68% - while the Saints won just 7 games/season with him 4x over a fairly recent 5-year span. Were they losers because Brees wasn't a good enough QB? That's hard to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 43 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Again, I don't know what Darnold will become, but had one bad pass that was a miscommunication between him and the 4th string TE that has zero chemistry with him. One. With this sh*t roster/O-Line. Against the best team in the NFL. One. What did you people expect yesterday, for real? one thing i liked about the broadcast is that they actually showed things from darnold's perspective and didn't just trash him. with the overthrow on the sideline, they showed the replay that #16 slowed his route. on the pick, they noted it seemed like a miscommunication. on the failed 4th and 1, they showed the replay and noted it was PI. bottom line, circumstances and other players have a big role in how the qb performs. i don't understand why so many here think that darnold should be playing so much better when he's constantly running for his life with a spleen protector throwing to 2 legit wrs and crap. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Big_Slick said: This guy is obviously a troll and should be banned. I'll just put him on ignore. I did that several days ago 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Jets723 said: I don't think its being defensive. Most are fair about things he needs to work on. However some do go overboard with the negativity which seems agenda driven Just as many people are overboard with positivity as there are negativity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Butterfield said: Just as many people are overboard with positivity as there are negativity. Not really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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