mudcat22 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Not sure how you grade JDs draft bad because the players he took got injured? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, mudcat22 said: Not sure how you grade JDs draft bad because the players he took got injured? As Bill Parcells once said the most important ability any football player can have is availability. I agree though, we can't judge the quality, the future starting ability, etc. of guys until they're on the field playing. But playing Devil's Advocate here, can we then not assess the offense, the HC, the QB, etc. if players aren't available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMo Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 3 hours ago, sackdance said: Maybe I see things real different than you, but I don't see a reason in the world that the worst team in the league should coddle its best players. This makes no medical sense. It's the same tough guy rah rah bullsh*t that has no basis in science. Toughing it out it's foolish and typically leads to long term issues. Being a meathead doesn't make a player/coach better. Ridiculous line of thinking. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsRay Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: thank you sweet 8 pound 6 ounce baby jesus Amen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMo Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: As Bill Parcells once said the most important ability any football player can have is availability. I agree though, we can't judge the quality, the future starting ability, etc. of guys until they're on the field playing. But playing Devil's Advocate here, can we then not assess the offense, the HC, the QB, etc. if players aren't available? I think you can't fault him as much because it wasn't like all of them got hurt in college. So he had no information to indicate they would get hurt other than zuniga. I do think the medical staff should be reassessed. There is a highly qualified physician who happens to be a Jets fan working in Columbus... I'm just saying...lol. Make it happen JD, sign this beast for all the money ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bruce Harper Posted September 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Spoot-Face said: I don't know who it is but someone's going to hell. Just sayin.' 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 He should be sitting Thursday and prepping for next Sunday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 On 9/27/2020 at 6:44 PM, TheMo said: You should have stayed at the corner store. @Paradis @jetstream23 Is this a reference to the zoom meeting on draft night the night I got banned for months? Lol ? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 4 hours ago, 56mehl56 said: Does this mean that the pick of Becton by JD is ok now that he's not hurt seriously - the absurdity on this board today has reached new levels. No one talked trash about Becton being injured being a problem with Joe Douglas. Relax yourself. Must be hard being so upset all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMo Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said: Is this a reference to the zoom meeting on draft night the night I got banned for months? Lol ? Heck ya! Glad you remembered lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 20 minutes ago, TheMo said: This makes no medical sense. It's the same tough guy rah rah bullsh*t that has no basis in science. Toughing it out it's foolish and typically leads to long term issues. Being a meathead doesn't make a player/coach better. Ridiculous line of thinking. It's football. You play hurt if you can go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Play him. 1-3 awaits. SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said: Not only that, but he got rid of our two best Robby and Jamal. He's made our roster much worse. Not better. So injuries make them bad picks, 3 games into their first NFL season? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMo Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Matt39 said: It's football. You play hurt if you can go. They used to have the same mentality in basketball and then Greg popovich basically schooled the league by embracing medical science. Football bro science is the equivalent of blood letting people who have pneumonia like they did in the 1800s. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, TheMo said: They used to have the same mentality in basketball and then Greg popovich basically schooled the league by embracing medical science. Football bro science is the equivalent of blood letting people who have pneumonia like they did in the 1800s. I mean if you can play you play. Compete. Not really controversial. Half the roster being hurt deserves to be questioned at all angles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 13 hours ago, Matt39 said: I mean if you can play you play. Compete. Not really controversial. Half the roster being hurt deserves to be questioned at all angles. I agree with this part. The numerous injuries are a problem, and one that followed Gase from Miami. But that isn't the same thing as questioning why we aren't rushing people back from those injuries. In a lost season I have zero desire of rushing back valuable assets and risking more significant injury. That part of it (not having players play injured/hurt) is just how professional sports are and it's not going to change anytime soon. Continue complaining into the wind though, I suppose? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 side note i expect the fan tone on Becton to change as people realize he's the only one taking a knee during the anthem give him 4 years he will be Mo Wilkerson part 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 15 hours ago, pointman said: No one talked trash about Becton being injured being a problem with Joe Douglas. Relax yourself. Must be hard being so upset all the time. I guess you didn't read the thread about the awful Oline moves JD made then. And its rather ironic your upset with me being upset at upset Jet fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 39 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: I agree with this part. The numerous injuries are a problem, and one that followed Gase from Miami. But that isn't the same thing as questioning why we aren't rushing people back from those injuries. In a lost season I have zero desire of rushing back valuable assets and risking more significant injury. That part of it (not having players play injured/hurt) is just how professional sports are and it's not going to change anytime soon. Continue complaining into the wind though, I suppose? do you have any evidence Becton playing Thursday would risk a more significant injury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 29 minutes ago, bitonti said: side note i expect the fan tone on Becton to change as people realize he's the only one taking a knee during the anthem give him 4 years he will be Mo Wilkerson part 2 I’d ask who hurt you, but well, i know. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 33 minutes ago, bitonti said: side note i expect the fan tone on Becton to change as people realize he's the only one taking a knee during the anthem give him 4 years he will be Mo Wilkerson part 2 As a player, no one could have any complaint at all. That's too bad. But if someone conducts themselves quietly and respectfully while expressing their political views, while I think it has no place in the work place, have a hard time getting worked up about it, even I think he's wrongheaded . Did you have to go Wilkerson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 How bad is it? He is the best player on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 34 minutes ago, bitonti said: side note i expect the fan tone on Becton to change as people realize he's the only one taking a knee during the anthem give him 4 years he will be Mo Wilkerson part 2 I hope he takes 2 knees. Has 0 to do with his ability to perform on the field as a professional athlete. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 35 minutes ago, bitonti said: side note i expect the fan tone on Becton to change as people realize he's the only one taking a knee during the anthem give him 4 years he will be Mo Wilkerson part 2 I look at the positive, all but one player didn't kneel. I think we're kind of numb to kneeling now anyway, how many people even knew he kneeled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: do you have any evidence Becton playing Thursday would risk a more significant injury? Shoulder injuries can easily become torn labrums or rotator cuff injuries if aggravated. If this was a Sunday game I'd be far more willing to let his practice participation dictate whether he plays or not. Limited practices leading up to, hopefully, a full practice on Friday would put him back in the lineup. A Thursday game changes that significantly. Playing it safe with the franchise's most valuable asset would be prudent. Rushing him back accomplishes....what, exactly? Maybe saving Gase's job for another week? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Shoulder injuries can easily become torn labrums or rotator cuff injuries if aggravated. If this was a Sunday game I'd be far more willing to let his practice participation dictate whether he plays or not. Limited practices leading up to, hopefully, a full practice on Friday would put him back in the lineup. A Thursday game changes that significantly. Playing it safe with the franchise's most valuable asset would be prudent. Rushing him back accomplishes....what, exactly? Maybe saving Gase's job for another week? Other side of that coin.....rush him back, really gets hurt bad, and removes all doubt about Gase. Bye, bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 17 hours ago, mudcat22 said: Not sure how you grade JDs draft bad because the players he took got injured? its really tough after 3 games. Did mims have hamstring issues in college? Did Becton have shoulder issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 16 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Shoulder injuries can easily become torn labrums or rotator cuff injuries if aggravated. If this was a Sunday game I'd be far more willing to let his practice participation dictate whether he plays or not. Limited practices leading up to, hopefully, a full practice on Friday would put him back in the lineup. A Thursday game changes that significantly. Playing it safe with the franchise's most valuable asset would be prudent. Rushing him back accomplishes....what, exactly? Maybe saving Gase's job for another week? unless his doctor says there is risk of him playing I call BS. Yes, certain shoulder injuries can become worse. We don't know what his was or if it can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viffer Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 20 hours ago, 56mehl56 said: Does this mean that the pick of Becton by JD is ok now that he's not hurt seriously - the absurdity on this board today has reached new levels. No it hasn't. It's always this high... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 14 hours ago, TheMo said: They used to have the same mentality in basketball and then Greg popovich basically schooled the league by embracing medical science. Football bro science is the equivalent of blood letting people who have pneumonia like they did in the 1800s. I now know the next airplane banner we want to fly over One Jets Drive.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: unless his doctor says there is risk of him playing I call BS. Yes, certain shoulder injuries can become worse. We don't know what his was or if it can. Do you trust the Jets' training staff? I sure don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viffer Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: I agree with this part. The numerous injuries are a problem, and one that followed Gase from Miami. But that isn't the same thing as questioning why we aren't rushing people back from those injuries. In a lost season I have zero desire of rushing back valuable assets and risking more significant injury. That part of it (not having players play injured/hurt) is just how professional sports are and it's not going to change anytime soon. Continue complaining into the wind though, I suppose? Too many people are talking in generalities here. You can't say he should, or should not, play injured unless you know the type and severity of the injury. I imagine every player plays every game with some pain. If the doctors conclude there is little or no chance of further injury, and he can play with the pain, then play. If, however, the doctors say he could aggravate the injury, then it is not worth it to take the chance. But you can't generalize "no player should play with any injury" or "a player should play with 5 broken bones". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetophile Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 22 hours ago, bitonti said: myself included as individuals im sure we are all really great people as a group we are the mixed flavor at the end of dum dum factory runs where it's inbetween like root beer and grape and they just slap a ??? mark on it the island of misfit toys Speak for yourself. And it's more like pineapple. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 The only reason it made any news at all was because CJ showed up arm in arm etc.Connor Hughes "no fists were raised" I look at the positive, all but one player didn't kneel. I think we're kind of numb to kneeling now anyway, how many people even knew he kneeled? Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Do you trust the Jets' training staff? I sure don't. Hell no but I'm also not going to advocate for players missing time because they got a little booboo and JF80 is ascared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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