Green DNA Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: great to see him make such a huge leap yesterday, let’s see him finish this season on a high note ?? break·out /ˈbrākˌout/ adjective 1.suddenly and extremely popular or successful Not really making the connection here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 13 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Yeah, for sure. I think 99% of Jets fans agree with this sentiment today. not on this site! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, Green DNA said: break·out /ˈbrākˌout/ adjective 1.suddenly and extremely popular or successful Not really making the connection here. it also means: 1. a forcible escape, especially from prison. "a prison breakout" 2. an outbreak. "a breakout of hostilities" The word 'breakout' has multiple meanings. I doubt your definition is what OP was talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 22 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I know it's just 1 pass and it was completed (for a 1st down) but it really bugs me that Zach isn't hitting guys in stride on passes like these. The RB almost fell down. I can go around the NFL for just about every QB every week and find a throws like thatt, high throws etc. Heck, Pat Mahomes had like 3 or 4 of them last night. I'm not saying he doesn't need to get better...He absolutely does..I'm not even saying his ball placement has been good. It hasn't. But throws like that happen to all of them - just far too many for Zach right now. He's getting better. He's still rushing and his footwork isn't where it needs to be - he'll get there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 24 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I know it's just 1 pass and it was completed (for a 1st down) but it really bugs me that Zach isn't hitting guys in stride on passes like these. The RB almost fell down. He's getting there quicker, but still not quick enough. I really think this speaks to how quickly he's processing. If he speeds that up a notch he can deliver a more accurate pass here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 45 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Super weird. I think most everyone is generally pleased with Zach’s improvement yesterday, but now The Cult of Zach is mad that you point out he was underwhelming in the second half. They only want the “good” throws to count and the bad throws to be the fault of anyone else. Defending Zack means trashing the OL, weapoinz, coaches, OC, training staff, JD, ownership. But we're the sad sack pessimistic losers, right? 32 minutes ago, Warfish said: It's interesting that you (and many others) have vastly less patience with a semi-proven guy (Davis) who has a vastly better pro-production resume than Zach. Davis gets no pass on his injuries or his drops at all, seems many here think he's unsalvageable. Why does the "patience" meme Zach and Saleh and Mims get not also apply to Davis, who is equally new in this system and on this team and with this QB, the same way it applies to Wilson? Maybe Davis and the other receivers need time to adjust to Zach's ballistic ducks, short-throws and behind them throws too? Also interesting that the WR's get no credit for the balls they've saved from INT's and incompletions because Zach was inaccurate, and there have been quite a few of those too. I just find the selective nature of the "patience" meme very interesting, because it looks like it's primarily about defending Zach, not about actually having patience for the team as a whole to sort itself out. See above. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Actually not really , Jones is a system QB with physical limitations. It just happens that he's a great system for his skillset. Wilson has all the tools to become a great QB , he just needs to evolve with more reps. Without googling it, name one of Mac Jones’ top three receivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Hex said: it also means: 1. a forcible escape, especially from prison. "a prison breakout" 2. an outbreak. "a breakout of hostilities" The word 'breakout' has multiple meanings. I doubt your definition is what OP was talking about Maybe the breakout of hostilities in the locker room? The prison break doesn't apply as Wilson isn't eligible for free agency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtnelson Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Green DNA said: break·out /ˈbrākˌout/ adjective 1.suddenly and extremely popular or successful Not really making the connection here. I wouldn't call it a breakout game either. I do think one is coming though. Probably not against the Saints, but as my fiance is a Saints fan I watch a lot of their games and their defense can definitely play terribly for long stretches even though they are generally considered to be pretty good. So we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said: He's getting there quicker, but still not quick enough. I really think this speaks to how quickly he's processing. If he speeds that up a notch he can deliver a more accurate pass here. Yes, I think he's thinking too much still and working on getting the ball out faster (which he is) and because of that his footwork is lacking - so these throws are off a bit. As things slow down - he'll be able to relax more and his footwork will clean up. Once that happens, this problematic ball placement will naturally just clean itself up. Honestly, Zach is more raw than I thought - but he's a hard working kid with an immense amount of talent - It's going to take time - and the Jets are going to give it to him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Without googling it, name one of Mac Jones’ top three receivers. Randy moss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said: Where it really seemed to unravel, and I forgot the actual time in the game that this occurred, was when there was a 3 step drop, and the ball needed come out, and instead he tried to whirl around and a rusher was right on him, and he took the sack. He has GOT to know when a play is not there and cut his losses. he is pressing way too much. It just seemed after that brain lock, everything fell part and he was second guessing himself, rather than flowing. The one play that drove me nuts in the 2nd half is where he steps up from the pocket, but instead of making a decision to run or unload the ball he just froze. I think it was the play that Lofton thought he may have wanted to try the the pitch again to the RB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, Green DNA said: Maybe the breakout of hostilities in the locker room? The prison break doesn't apply as Wilson isn't eligible for free agency. Haha, very funny Probably a breakout from his prison of sucking really badly. Now he only sucks a little bit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green hat Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 A breakout game might be if you combined the first half from the Eagles game with the second half from the Titans game. Putting all facets together. We haven't seen this yet but we have seen progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 53 minutes ago, Warfish said: Do QB's get a pass for poor or ineffective play because they're playing from behind? He didn’t have a poorly played game. And yes circumstances go into an evaluation. Not just posting stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, JiFapono said: And he was 5 of 7 on the last meaningless drive w/ under 2 minutes. So, he was 6 for 17 w/ a pick and no scores when they absolutely had to have answer. Strange that people are going these distances to defend his 2nd half. He was terrible but whatevs, at least we saw a good first half and I think he's just pressing when he knows it's on him to answer. He's just not ready for that type of pressure, clearly and I'm sure in the back of his mind he knows that he has to score because his D cant stop a nose-bleed. He also seemed to be in a rhythm in the first half whereas in the second the Eagles dominated time of possession so badly they were probably a bit off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, HawkeyeJet said: Agree with most of that but I still think ball placement leaves a lot to be desired. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Without googling it, name one of Mac Jones’ top three receivers. Kendrick Bourne. The thing is in the Pats system , they just plug in pieces . They all do their jobs , know where to be and hold like their lives depended on it w/o getting caught. The Jets by far have better wr's than NE . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: Never trust a guy with 2 first names 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Kendrick Bourne Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Agree with most of that but I still think ball placement leaves a lot to be desired. This is the biggest thing he has to improve on in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Anthony Jet said: Who? You know the guy with the Ultimatum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Maxman said: yawn Reported 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 hours ago, T0mShane said: I will guarantee you that not even Wilson’s parents work this hard to cover for Zach Wilson. Yes. You can find many many of my posts derailing threads to cover for Wilson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sciond Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 25 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: Disagree, Lafleur has been great Agree to disagree there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Drums said: Whatever you say Mr. Magoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Zach Wilson breaks out of wet paper bag. The fragments immediately shrink wrap over his nose and mouth and he chokes out. Jets fans rejoice. (This is a joke I don't want Zach to, like, literally die to be proven right on a messageboard.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 17 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Agree with most of that but I still think ball placement leaves a lot to be desired. Agreed. Elijah had some sticky hands and made some amazing catches to bail him out. Zach missed two big big throws in the game that were on him to hit that could have been huge. First half looked the way I thought this team should look and it was fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Agree with most of that but I still think ball placement leaves a lot to be desired. Agreed. While Zach did improve with ball placement, I can give you 4 or 5 examples of when the receiver either had to reach to catch it or didn't catch it altogether but tried to reach, including that INT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 28 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Without googling it, name one of Mac Jones’ top three receivers. I know it because I've made this point now several times. His top 2 receivers are UDFAs. Names are not important. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 I actually went out of my way to say that Zach had some impressive moments yesterday. But if that’s a “breakout game” then we’re doomed because as much as there was some improvement, overall it was still pretty bad.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 I'm ready to see a 300 yard 3TD game from Zach. That's a breakout game and honestly need to see this before the end of the year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: Is it? Wilson has played 7 complete games in the NFL. You are arguing we should have more patience with a guy who was drafted in 2017? Wilson was 18 years old when Corey Davis came into the league. I'm genuinely fascinated by this perspective. You don’t think the QB and system we’re having patience with doesn’t have an effect on the WR? Or his injuries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 54 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Without googling it, name one of Mac Jones’ top three receivers. Can I use DuckDuckGo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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