Tanny on Jets getting Rodgers.

[doitny]

did anyone catch this yesterday on TMKS. starts at 24:00 if you want to hear it. he made some good points.

The Michael Kay Show - Hour 2: Stephen A. Smith and Mike Tannenbaum Join the Show | ESPN

 

but to summarize it. 

1. thinks that a trade would have condition like when he traded for Favre. 3rd rd pick turns into 2nd rd with 80% snaps and playoffs and a 1st with a SB.

2. Greeny said he didn't think the compensation for Rodgers wouldnt be a 1st rd pick. Tanny thinks they dont trade him unless they get a 1st rd pick. GB has a 58 million dollar option he thinks Rodgers will have a hard time saying no too.

3. thinks GB cant or doesnt have to do it before June 1. that they would want to get another look at Love in the off season program before making the decision. plus he was talking about them not being able to do it before June 1 cause the had to move around money for the cap. that confused me cause i thought they would have plenty of space if they traded him.

4. brings up how we had Chad but needed a better QB to beat Brady and when the opportunity to get Favre happened, he took it. that happened on August 8 2008. right now we dont have any QB and cant afford to be the guy left standing without a chair when the music stops. we cant afford to wait till June 1st.

i think we all have Rodgers and Carr as our 1 and 2 in whatever order, Carr is gone by March 1 imo we have to go all in on him. we cant wait for the Rodgers saga to play out.

[BurntDice]

27 minutes ago, doitny said:

did anyone catch this yesterday on TMKS. starts at 24:00 if you want to hear it. he made some good points.

The Michael Kay Show - Hour 2: Stephen A. Smith and Mike Tannenbaum Join the Show | ESPN

 

but to summarize it. 

1. thinks that a trade would have condition like when he traded for Favre. 3rd rd pick turns into 2nd rd with 80% snaps and playoffs and a 1st with a SB.

2. Greeny said he didn't think the compensation for Rodgers wouldnt be a 1st rd pick. Tanny thinks they dont trade him unless they get a 1st rd pick. GB has a 58 million dollar option he thinks Rodgers will have a hard time saying no too.

3. thinks GB cant or doesnt have to do it before June 1. that they would want to get another look at Love in the off season program before making the decision. plus he was talking about them not being able to do it before June 1 cause the had to move around money for the cap. that confused me cause i thought they would have plenty of space if they traded him.

4. brings up how we had Chad but needed a better QB to beat Brady and when the opportunity to get Favre happened, he took it. that happened on August 8 2008. right now we dont have any QB and cant afford to be the guy left standing without a chair when the music stops. we cant afford to wait till June 1st.

i think we all have Rodgers and Carr as our 1 and 2 in whatever order, Carr is gone by March 1 imo we have to go all in on him. we cant wait for the Rodgers saga to play out.

Totally agree with point 4. We need to go hard after Carr. Can’t be sitting there with the only option being Rodgers in June when the packers have all of the leverage 

[JohnnyLV]

29 minutes ago, doitny said:

 

i think we all have Rodgers and Carr as our 1 and 2 in whatever order, Carr is gone by March 1 imo we have to go all in on him. we cant wait for the Rodgers saga to play out.

That statement is far from true. I want neither

[JoJoTownsell1]

34 minutes ago, doitny said:

 

3. thinks GB cant or doesnt have to do it before June 1. that they would want to get another look at Love in the off season program before making the decision. plus he was talking about them not being able to do it before June 1 cause the had to move around money for the cap. that confused me cause i thought they would have plenty of space if they traded him.

 

Lol at thinking the packers would wait until after the draft to trade Rodgers and have to wait until the 2024 draft to get players to help their team. 

Plus the team getting Rodgers,  like the jets,  have a 13th overall pick this year to give up while waiting until the 2024 draft would likely mean they would get a Jets pick in the 20s..

They also would force teams like the jets to address their QB situation before then thereby limiting the pool of teams interested. 

 

[undertow]

7 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

Totally agree with point 4. We need to go hard after Carr. Can’t be sitting there with the only option being Rodgers in June when the packers have all of the leverage 

So you think Carr is a QB who's going to put us over the top?  We aren't any better with Carr than we were with Pennington.  If the goal is stability and making the playoffs thats fine but some of you guys are overboard with where you think Carr puts this team.  Derek Carr and Aaron Rodgers aren't the same or even close as players.  If the Jets miss out on Rodgers they can pivot to other QBs who can get them as far as Carr will. 

[Sammybighead]

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[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

14 minutes ago, undertow said:

So you think Carr is a QB who's going to put us over the top?  We aren't any better with Carr than we were with Pennington.  If the goal is stability and making the playoffs thats fine but some of you guys are overboard with where you think Carr puts this team.  Derek Carr and Aaron Rodgers aren't the same or even close as players.  If the Jets miss out on Rodgers they can pivot to other QBs who can get them as far as Carr will. 

After darnold and Wilson I think people are more than happy with someone like Carr. We haven’t had decent or average  qb play in like 20 years. Not many better options on the market. 

I doubt carr brings us to a Super Bowl but atleast the jets will be watchable and we are probably a playoff team with him.

[Hex]

27 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

That statement is far from true. I want neither

Who do you want then? It's pretty clear this team needs a new starter for at least one season.

[undertow]

1 minute ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

After darnold and Wilson I think people are more than happy with someone like Carr. We haven’t had decent or average  qb play in like 20 years. Not many better options on the market. 

I doubt carr brings us to a Super Bowl but atleast the jets will be watchable and we are probably a playoff team with him.

I agree 100 percent with this and would be fine if he came here people are just putting him in a catagory he doesn't belong.

[Hal N of Provo]

This is how to do a link post.  
 

Interesting take.  Unless there is a done deal with GB, JD will probably try to go all in on Carr rather than wait.  
 

Getting none of the big names and being used to get better offers is still very much a possibility.  

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

3 minutes ago, undertow said:

I agree 100 percent with this and would be fine if he came here people are just putting him in a catagory he doesn't belong.

What category is that tho? I haven’t seen anyone saying he’s a top 10 qb or anything crazy. He’s middle of the pack type guy. And that’s fine, for now. I’d still draft some developmental prospects in rounds 2-4 while he’s here to eventually take over.

[doitny]

29 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Lol at thinking the packers would wait until after the draft to trade Rodgers and have to wait until the 2024 draft to get players to help their team. 

Plus the team getting Rodgers,  like the jets,  have a 13th overall pick this year to give up while waiting until the 2024 draft would likely mean they would get a Jets pick in the 20s..

They also would force teams like the jets to address their QB situation before then thereby limiting the pool of teams interested. 

 

well i did forget to mention that he did say if they really wanted him gone then yes they would do it before the draft. but if there undecided then they could wait. 

i havent followed the Rodgers saga so as i said above and maybe i misunderstood, but it sounded like he said GB have a lot of cap work to do to trade Rodgers now and it seemed to me he was saying it would be easier after june 1st.

[rangerous]

That’s an interesting position with Rodgers not dealt until after June 1.  I don’t know what that would mean for the packers as far as guaranteed money and all. They probably have enough cap space to do what they want even if the keep Rodgers for now.  Favre came in august and stepped right in. He didn’t need much of a training camp to know his receivers and plays. It should be the same thing with Rodgers especially since Hackett is the oc. The bottom line is could be a while before this is settled.

[Adoni Beast]

I think that if Green Bay wants to move on from Rodgers they’d want to do so before free agency and the draft.

[T0mShane]

A fun thing is that, because of the Rodgers rumors, the fan base is going to absolutely despise Derek Carr from the second he signs here, and that’s before finding out he’s a weenie.

[FootballLove]

I think the wild card in all this is Woody Johnson. If Woody thinks we have a punchers chance at landing Aaron Rogers, he's going to tell JoeD to hold off on marrying the Jets to Derek Carr. Then if we end up with neither, it's on Woody, not JoeD/Saleh. Who, in that case, would re-sign Mike White and count on Big Hackett to groom/grow ZW to see where it all goes. Then try for Aaron again next year.

[bonkertons]

Perhaps Carr could be our Eli.  Quality QBs but never viewed as the "elites", but came up clutch when it mattered most.  Eli had a decent supporting cast and a great defense.  Maybe we can build something similar with Carr, especially if getting him allows us to keep our picks.  

[carlito1171]

1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

That statement is far from true. I want neither

Who do you want to start for the jets next season?

[freestater]

If we make it to August with Zach as qb1 on the roster, the fire JD thread will be 200 pages long. 

[THE BARON]

Tanny forgetting about something important.  What does Rodgers want ???  If he wants to leave GB and go to the Jets and pair up with Hackett, it will happen.  If he wants to stay in GB, he will 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

In all honesty neither guy is probably the answer.

Rodgers is already in the twilight and Carr has never been a legit difference maker.

Maybe that is enough to make the playoffs  but beating Mahomes and Burrow is a different animal.

But they at least offer hope, which is something you don’t have with ZW.

[JetPotato]

25 minutes ago, carlito1171 said:

Who do you want to start for the jets next season?

He's torn between Mahomes and Burrow.

[y2k8]

 

The Packers and Jets organizations seem to have a good relationship and while not ideal, I wouldn't rule out the two teams having a "gentleman's agreement" on terms of a deal that is executed at a later date. 

[BurntDice]

2 hours ago, undertow said:

So you think Carr is a QB who's going to put us over the top?  We aren't any better with Carr than we were with Pennington.  If the goal is stability and making the playoffs thats fine but some of you guys are overboard with where you think Carr puts this team.  Derek Carr and Aaron Rodgers aren't the same or even close as players.  If the Jets miss out on Rodgers they can pivot to other QBs who can get them as far as Carr will. 

With Carr this year this team would have easily made it to the playoffs. How far could they have gotten who knows. Top 5 D and the offense would have been top 15 instead of bottom 3

[playtowinthegame]

New York Jets Single Season Passing Records
Yards Passing: Joe Namath 4,007 Yds (1967)
Touchdowns: Ryan Fitzpatrick 31 TD (2015)
Completions: Brett Favre 343 Cmp (2008)
Completion Percentage: Chad Pennington 68.9 Cmp% (2002)
QB Rating: 104.2 Chad Pennington (2002)
QBR: 64.2 Chad Pennington (2006)
GWD: 5 shared by: Kenny O'Brien (1991), Vinny Testaverde (2001), Geno Smith (2013), and Mark Sanchez (2010)

 

In Derek Carr's career he'd own them all but QB Rating.
I put all instances he'd own the Jets single season passing records in bold. 

 

Year	Age	Tm	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	GWD
Care	Care		142	63-79-0	3201	4958	64.6	35222	217	99	11.0	248.0	91.8		33
2014	23	OAK	16	3-13-0	348	599	58.1	3270	21	12	9.4	204.4	76.6	42.1	1
2015*	24	OAK	16	7-9-0	350	573	61.1	3987	32	13	11.4	249.2	91.1	43.1	4
2016*	25	OAK	15	12-3-0	357	560	63.8	3937	28	6	11.0	262.5	96.7	56.1	7
2017*	26	OAK	15	6-9-0	323	515	62.7	3496	22	13	10.8	233.1	86.4	50.5	1
2018	27	OAK	16	4-12-0	381	553	68.9	4049	19	10	10.6	253.1	93.9	46.5	3
2019	28	OAK	16	7-9-0	361	513	70.4	4054	21	8	11.2	253.4	100.8	64.1	3
2020	29	LVR	16	8-8-0	348	517	67.3	4103	27	9	11.8	256.4	101.4	64.3	5
2021	30	LVR	17	10-7-0	428	626	68.4	4804	23	14	11.2	282.6	94.0	52.4	6
2022*	31	LVR	15	6-9-0	305	502	60.8	3522	24	14	11.5	234.8	86.3	55.6	3

 

 

YeAh, JeTs FaNs ArE GoiNG To HaTe HiM! 

[JetPotato]

I see Tanny still has no idea what he's talking about.

What a string of people that have run this Jets team over the years. You couldn't **** it up worse than this team's ownership has.

[undertow]

7 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

New York Jets Single Season Passing Records
Yards Passing: Joe Namath 4,007 Yds (1967)
Touchdowns: Ryan Fitzpatrick 31 TD (2015)
Completions: Brett Favre 343 Cmp (2008)
QB Rating: 104.2 Chad Pennington (2002)
QBR: 64.2 Chad Pennington (2006)
GWD: 5 shared by: Kenny O'Brien (1991), Vinny Testaverde (2001), Geno Smith (2013), and Mark Sanchez (2010)

 

In Derek Carr's career he'd own them all but QB Rating.
I put all instances he'd own the Jets single season passing records in bold. 

 

Year	Age	Tm	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	GWD
Care	Care		142	63-79-0	3201	4958	64.6	35222	217	99	11.0	248.0	91.8		33
2014	23	OAK	16	3-13-0	348	599	58.1	3270	21	12	9.4	204.4	76.6	42.1	1
2015*	24	OAK	16	7-9-0	350	573	61.1	3987	32	13	11.4	249.2	91.1	43.1	4
2016*	25	OAK	15	12-3-0	357	560	63.8	3937	28	6	11.0	262.5	96.7	56.1	7
2017*	26	OAK	15	6-9-0	323	515	62.7	3496	22	13	10.8	233.1	86.4	50.5	1
2018	27	OAK	16	4-12-0	381	553	68.9	4049	19	10	10.6	253.1	93.9	46.5	3
2019	28	OAK	16	7-9-0	361	513	70.4	4054	21	8	11.2	253.4	100.8	64.1	3
2020	29	LVR	16	8-8-0	348	517	67.3	4103	27	9	11.8	256.4	101.4	64.3	5
2021	30	LVR	17	10-7-0	428	626	68.4	4804	23	14	11.2	282.6	94.0	52.4	6
2022*	31	LVR	15	6-9-0	305	502	60.8	3522	24	14	11.5	234.8	86.3	55.6	3

 

Comparing stats from 2014-2022 to the 80s, 90s, 00s is mindless comparing them to 1967 is just being brain dead.

[playtowinthegame]

8 minutes ago, undertow said:

Comparing stats from 2014-2022 to the 80s, 90s, 00s is mindless comparing them to 1967 is just being brain dead.

Sir, I'm just posting the facts.

[56mehl56]

32 minutes ago, undertow said:

Comparing stats from 2014-2022 to the 80s, 90s, 00s is mindless comparing them to 1967 is just being brain dead.

But 0-7 in cold weather is a solid stat ? 

[neckdemon]

1 hour ago, undertow said:

Comparing stats from 2014-2022 to the 80s, 90s, 00s is mindless comparing them to 1967 is just being brain dead.

its actually sad that the most yardage in a season for a jets qb came in 1967. in this day and age of offense thats unreal that we haven't been able to top a mark from the 60s

[Barry McCockinner]

1 minute ago, neckdemon said:

its actually sad that the most yardage in a season for a jets qb came in 1967. in this day and age of offense thats unreal that we haven't been able to top a mark from the 60s

and that was only a 14 game season!

[playtowinthegame]

2 minutes ago, neckdemon said:

its actually sad that the most yardage in a season for a jets qb came in 1967. in this day and age of offense thats unreal that we haven't been able to top a mark from the 60s

[undertow]

9 minutes ago, neckdemon said:

its actually sad that the most yardage in a season for a jets qb came in 1967. in this day and age of offense thats unreal that we haven't been able to top a mark from the 60s

This is true but it was also by design...the Jets have built teams around defense and running the ball since the 80's we have refused to build any other type of team.

[Ghost420]

4 hours ago, undertow said:

So you think Carr is a QB who's going to put us over the top?  We aren't any better with Carr than we were with Pennington.  If the goal is stability and making the playoffs thats fine but some of you guys are overboard with where you think Carr puts this team.  Derek Carr and Aaron Rodgers aren't the same or even close as players.  If the Jets miss out on Rodgers they can pivot to other QBs who can get them as far as Carr will. 

Like who? Tannehill?

[Dunnie]

That statement is far from true. I want neither

What would you like to see happen?

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