Pac Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tranquilo said: Omg all these pointless replies without any news, including this one This thread is collapsing onto itself under the weight of all the wild speculation 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post choon328 Posted March 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2023 36 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: All signs point to that they'd rather eat that cap hit than trade him for a small package. Call it stupid, stubborn, whatever you want. But that seems to be what they're ok with. That's what they'd like you to think. They can't cut Rodgers bc his dead money would be $99 million for 2023. If they keep Rodgers they have to pay him his option of $58.3 million by week 1. They can decline his option and instead of that $58.3 million being a Signing bonus that can be spread over 4 years it will become part of his base salary for 2023. Which would make his cap hit for 2023 $90 million. They can't afford to release him or decline his option So if they don't trade him the only alternative is to pick up his option and cut him a $58.3 million check. But, if he retires after 2023 the Packers will take a $70 million dead cap hit. If they also exercise Loves 5th yr option, which they have to make a decision to do or not to do in May, they'll have $90 million tied up in the QB position in 2024 between the dead money and Loves contract. That'll put them $37 million OVER the cap in 2024 with only 33 players under contract So the synopsis is that the Packers have no other choice but to trade Aaron Rodgers. The Jets and the rest of the NFL know this. Any team trading for Aaron Rodgers is doing the Packers a huge favor. We can talk about leverage all day but the reality is that without Rodgers the Jets are a 9-8/10-7 team with someone like Tannehill. With Rodgers on the roster week 1 the Packers organization will be decimated by the crippling cap ramifications now and into the future. The Packers have way more to lose with this trade not going through. Everyone with a brain knows this. 14 2 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tranquilo Posted March 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, choon328 said: That's what they'd like you to think. They can't but Rodgers bc his dead money would be $99 million for 2023. If they keep Rodgers they have to pay him his option of $58.3 million by week 1. They can decline his option and instead of that $58.3 minion bring a Signing bonus that can be suited over 4 years it will become part of his base salary for 2023. Which would make his cap hit for 2023 $90 million. They can't afford to release him or decline his option So if they don't trade him the only alternative is to pick up his option and cut him a $58.3 million check. But, if he retires after 2023 the Packers will take a $70 million dead cap hit. If they also exercise Loves 5th yr option, which they have to make a decision to do or not to do in May, they'll have $90 million tied up in the QB position in 2024 between the dead money and Loves contract. That'll put them $37 million OVER the cap in 2024 with only 33 players under contract So the synopsis is that the Packers have no other choice but to trade Aaron Rodgers. The Jets and the rest of the NFL know this. Any team trading for Aaron Rodgers is doing the Packers a huge favor. We can talk about leverage all day but the reality is that without Rodgers the Jets are a 9-8/10-7 team with someone like Tannehill. With Rodgers on the roster week 1 the Packers organization will be decimated by the crippling cap ramifications into the future. The Packers have way more to lose with this trade not going through. I get the feeling that the Packers thought the Jets were going to rush this through, which is why they allowed the meeting, but they didn't realize who they were dealing with (Joe) 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted March 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2023 35 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: All signs point to that they'd rather eat that cap hit than trade him for a small package. Call it stupid, stubborn, whatever you want. But that seems to be what they're ok with. This is the appearance they’re going for, but that doesn’t make it much less suicidal. The Packers have every right to ask for the moon, but they have two deadlines in this matter. The first is the draft. Either it gets done during or before the draft, or the Packers get no draft compensation for Rodgers this year. The second is that $59M guarantee, which I honestly cannot imagine them eating out of spite for lack of a better offer. They have a 39 year old QB with one of the richest contracts in the sport, you don’t get multiple firsts in this league for that sort of player. I’d love to see it happen soon, but I could see it dragging on until the draft. No later than that, though, imho. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post choon328 Posted March 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tranquilo said: I get the feeling that the Packers thought the Jets were going to rush this through, which is why they allowed the meeting, but they didn't realize who they were dealing with (Joe) I think they thought after the Jets met with Rodgers so publicly that the fans and local media would put a lot of pressure on the organization to make the deal happen quick. That's why a lot of national media came out so quickly to say that GB has all of the leverage bc Jets fans wouldn't stand for the Jets to not make this trade happen quickly. They didn't expect the majority of Jets fans and local media to tell the Packers to eff off. Even high profile media Jets fans like Greeny and Eisen have pushed back real hard on the thought of trading major assets for Rodgers. At some point the Packers will swallow their pride and accept the mid round pick in 2023 that's being offered right now. They have no other choice. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post THE BARON Posted March 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2023 31 minutes ago, Tranquilo said: I get the feeling that the Packers thought the Jets were going to rush this through, which is why they allowed the meeting, but they didn't realize who they were dealing with (Joe) Not so much that Joe D has balls of iron. More like any GM with five cents worth of brains can see that GB has to take what is being offered. No way do the Jets have to give up a first rounder for Rodgers. In fact, they don't even have to give up a second rounder. GB is screwed beyond reason if 1. Rodgers retires. 2. Rodgers stays on the GB roster. And here is the rub. Rodgers knows this too and he is working with the Jets so he can play for them. No other teams are in the mix for Rodgers. No one can help GB deal with the Jets or Rodgers. JD and Rodgers are in a freight train together playing chicken with Gutekunst who is on a unicycle. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 The idea that the Packers have the upper hand here and are holding out because they think Woody will jump the gun on the deal is kinda crazy. He’s not even the one making the deal. There’s no tangible reason for the Packers to feel confident here… there are some very real ramifications if they don’t accept what the Jets are offering. Sitting in the corner with their arms crossed doesn’t really change anything. I understand this is the Packers and who they are as a legendary franchise, but the way they’ve handled/are handing the AR12 situation doesn’t scream great operation to me. They’re just being petty at this point 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquilo Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, BigRy56 said: The idea that the Packers have the upper hand here and are holding out because they think Woody will jump the gun on the deal is kinda crazy. He’s not even the one making the deal. There’s no tangible reason for the Packers to feel confident here… there are some very real ramifications if they don’t accept what the Jets are offering. Sitting in the corner with their arms crossed doesn’t really change anything. I understand this is the Packers and who they are as a legendary franchise, but the way they’ve handled/are handing the AR12 situation doesn’t scream great operation to me. They’re just being petty at this point They're a cheapo conservative (I mean in the sense that they don't make a lot of moves) organization that is being put into the spotlight and they hate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post varjet Posted March 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2023 The Jets are still managing their Zach Wilson error, and somehow think they can get away with a draft pick or someone very cheap to be QB2/3 alongside Zach Wilson. They are really hoping that the Packers come to their senses and trade Rodgers so they can save the money they would spend on Wentz/Teddy and be able to say that ZW is still good enough to be QB2 behind a QB who at least until recently was a virtual Ironman. The Packers are calling the bluff, so maybe we need Wentz now. That is what I would do. I keep thinking that maybe the Packers should keep Rodgers, maybe trade Love (maybe for 13) and then draft a new QB and reboot. Basically, redo what they should have done 2 years ago. If the Jets think Rodgers is good enough to take them to the SB this year, what do the Packers think? We have to remember that cutting/trading results in an immediate cap hit, but retirement can be spread over 2-3 years. Rodgers has said he ain’t retiring. If the Packers trade him, his last year bonus accelerates, and the new team assumes the $60mm+ $50mm. If they cut him, the Packers accelerates last year’s bonus plus 2023 $60mm-they can’t do that-it is virtually impossible. If they keep him and pay him the $60mm spread over 4 years for cap purposes, it accelerates if they cut him or trade him next year. If they get stuck paying the $50mm next year, the pain just gets worse, and longer. The contract was designed (and well at that) to be financially impossible for the Packers to keep Aaron Rodgers. It is literally impossible for the Packers not to trade him. They can trade him this year, incur a modest hit, and move in. After June 1 is even better as they spread that hit over 2 years. It is not impossible for the Jets to not trade for Aaron Rodgers. Theoretically, they are a bit better than last year when they won 7 games and were in the playoff hunt for December. The future looks bright after next year as they find more ways to find a QB. But the Packers with keeping Rodgers-a giant mess. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, varjet said: It is not impossible for the Jets to not trade for Aaron Rodgers. Theoretically, they are a bit better than last year when they won 7 games and were in the playoff hunt for December. The future looks bright after next year as they find more ways to find a QB. But the Packers with keeping Rodgers-a giant mess. YES ! The Jets fan base is on board with telling GB FU !. That is the vibe that is out there. We wont condemn Woody or JD if they let the trade fall through so as not go get fleeced by GB. In fact, we will applaud them. We would like to have Rodgers, but we don't need him. Let GB keep him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 22 minutes ago, Tranquilo said: They're a cheapo conservative (I mean in the sense that they don't make a lot of moves) organization that is being put into the spotlight and they hate it ? this is not being talked about enough. The Jets operate in this spotlight all the time. The Packers have been pulled into/put themselves in a place that’s way out of their comfort zone and are operating in the Jets domain right now. They’re in a very uncomfortable spot and I think it shows right now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Pac said: This thread is collapsing onto itself under the weight of all the wild speculation At least we have you here to prop it all up with your stupid positivity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post y2k8 Posted March 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Tranquilo said: Omg all these pointless replies without any news, including this one 3 tips to navigate this thread 1. If the post starts out with "I think..." stop reading immediately and scroll to next post. 2. Only read posts by football guy and Mooglez. 3. Start drinking heavily. 2 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: ? this is not being talked about enough. The Jets operate in this spotlight all the time. The Packers have been pulled into/put themselves in a place that’s way out of their comfort zone and are operating in the Jets domain right now. They’re in a very uncomfortable spot and I think it shows right now Well, when this guy is your team president you know you're in over your head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 26 minutes ago, THE BARON said: YES ! The Jets fan base is on board with telling GB FU !. That is the vibe that is out there. We wont condemn Woody or JD if they let the trade fall through so as not go get fleeced by GB. In fact, we will applaud them. We would like to have Rodgers, but we don't need him. Let GB keep him. This would be a monumental botch job and a major fail by he New York Jets to the tune of actually thinking of firing an otherwise good gm. The stated goal after last year was to come back this year with a good veteran QB to take us a full step into the playoffs and beyond. It has been botched to the extent that it is now only get Aaron Rodgers as he is the only choice, and people want to applaud them for telling the Packers to shove it? In the end a deal will get made because neither team has a choice at this point but make no mistake the Jets blew it as far as their stated goal was concerned. 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, Beerfish said: It it is now only get Aaron Rodgers as he is the only choice, and people want to applaud them for telling the Packers to shove it? Yep. They can shuv it and we can go with a non sensational, non HOF vet QB that will still get the Jets to the playoffs. If you recall last season. They did not need a HOF QB to make the playoffs. All they needed was a QB that wasn't awful. Tannehill could win 10 games with the current Jets roster provided that JD drafts the right OT with #13. ADDITION: As a matter of fact, I want to see JD have CONSPICUOUIS talks with all the rest of the FA QBs out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Beerfish said: This would be a monumental botch job and a major fail by he New York Jets to the tune of actually thinking of firing an otherwise good gm. The stated goal after last year was to come back this year with a good veteran QB to take us a full step into the playoffs and beyond. It has been botched to the extent that it is now only get Aaron Rodgers as he is the only choice, and people want to applaud them for telling the Packers to shove it? In the end a deal will get made because neither team has a choice at this point but make no mistake the Jets blew it as far as their stated goal was concerned. The are other options. None as good as Rodgers but the Jets shouldn't overpay out of fear. Either way they're still looking for an answer at QB in 2024. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Beerfish said: This would be a monumental botch job and a major fail by he New York Jets to the tune of actually thinking of firing an otherwise good gm. The stated goal after last year was to come back this year with a good veteran QB to take us a full step into the playoffs and beyond. It has been botched to the extent that it is now only get Aaron Rodgers as he is the only choice, and people want to applaud them for telling the Packers to shove it? In the end a deal will get made because neither team has a choice at this point but make no mistake the Jets blew it as far as their stated goal was concerned. huh? The Jets goal was this offseason was to make Aaron Rodgers QB1. By all indications, he was their top choice by a good margin. While we can certainly debate the wisdom of that approach, that was clearly their goal headed into the offseason (see the Hackett hire). So, if they land Aaron Rodgers, they certainly they did what they wanted and if they don't, they failed. There is no in between. But the bolded makes no sense, IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MykePM Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 6 hours ago, ptisme said: Since there's all kinds of opinions out there here's a take from the Packers previous cap guy. He was there when GB transitioned from BF to AR: https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/03/20/aaron-rodgers-trade-packers-jets-leverage Putting aside for now the fact that Brandt himself admits that he is a massive Packers fan in this very article, his argument is completely undermined by not addressing a significant pressure point for GB: that they would in all likelihood want 2023 draft capital in return for Rodgers, and it would actually be better for the Jets if that doesn’t happen. If someone wants to make the argument that the Packers might be OK with getting their draft pick compensation starting in 2024 - that’s fine. But Brandt doesn’t even address that elephant in the room, which is very telling. When April 27th comes, and the Jets are fine with Rodgers not being in Florham Park yet and still having their full draft complement at their disposal, but the Packers are faced with telling their fan base that the most they’ll have to show this season for losing one of their legends is possibly Corey Davis, we’ll see who’s “most satisfied with the status quo” then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, slimjasi said: huh? The Jets goal was this offseason was to make Aaron Rodgers QB1. By all indications, he was their top choice by a good margin. While we can certainly debate the wisdom of that approach, that was clearly their goal headed into the offseason (see the Hackett hire). So, if they land Aaron Rodgers, they certainly they did what they wanted and if they don't, they failed. There is no in between. But the bolded makes no sense, IMO. Why did they throw a bunch of time and money in the trash by meeting Derrick Carr twice? To start the process the Jets had no idea if Rodgers was going to play or if the packers would even let them talk to him. This ended up being Rodgers or bust but sure as hell was not that way to start, nor should have it been that way. Anyone that thinks an acceptable alternative is to have zac wilson back as the starter with pretty well every single vet QB off the board is totally delusional. As I said, no worries a deal will get done both teams need each other far too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: Why did they throw a bunch of time and money in the trash by meeting Derrick Carr twice? To start the process the Jets had no idea if Rodgers was going to play or if the packers would even let them talk to him. This ended up being Rodgers or bust but sure as hell was not that way to start, nor should have it been that way. Anyone that thinks an acceptable alternative is to have zac wilson back as the starter with pretty well every single vet QB off the board is totally delusional. As I said, no worries a deal will get done both teams need each other far too much. 1) Carr was a contingency plan. At the end of the day, they never even made him an offer. I think there was clear interest, especially after their initial meeting supposedly went so well, but it's also clear he was never option 1. Rodgers is/was the top choice - for better or worse. 2) As for the bolded, I think they have probably been back-channelling to Rodgers since the season ended and were always confident they could at least get a meeting with him. Reports of the Packers wanting to move on were fairly widespread since the end of the season. FWIW, I always thought he would return to GB, but I have no doubt that the Jets targeted Rodgers early. The Hackett hire was made with full cognizance of what it would mean to Rodgers. 3) I don't think anyone thinks Zach Wilson as QB1 this year is acceptable. That's why I said - it's Rodgers or bust. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Why did they throw a bunch of time and money in the trash by meeting Derrick Carr twice? To start the process the Jets had no idea if Rodgers was going to play or if the packers would even let them talk to him. This ended up being Rodgers or bust but sure as hell was not that way to start, nor should have it been that way. Anyone that thinks an acceptable alternative is to have zac wilson back as the starter with pretty well every single vet QB off the board is totally delusional. As I said, no worries a deal will get done both teams need each other far too much. The Jets are in a much better spot. The goal for the Jets is not Rodgers at all cost. The goal for the Jets is sustained success. That means, you dont piss away high draft picks on a older QB who will be around for two years at most AND is coming from a team that has no choice but to deal him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falco21 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 I just want this over with so he can announce what number he is wearing and I can place the damn jersey order! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Are we 100% certain that no other team could decide to make an offer for Rodgers while this negotiation drags out? Maybe not in the next few weeks but if we get closer to minicamp and TC I wonder if another team could also see him as their missing piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 hours ago, slats said: I’d love to see it happen soon, but I could see it dragging on until the draft. No later than that, though, imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 The Jets Favre deal happened in August during training camp. The Packers can hold off until Labor Day on exercising the option bonus. If nothing happens by draft day, this could drag on for another 5 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 He looks like the singer for the pogues. That's an insult to Shane MacGowan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 I’ve always had a benign appreciation of the Packers. I’m starting to wish them nothing but misery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 23 minutes ago, Saul Goodman said: Are we 100% certain that no other team could decide to make an offer for Rodgers while this negotiation drags out? Maybe not in the next few weeks but if we get closer to minicamp and TC I wonder if another team could also see him as their missing piece. 9ers But GB isn't trading them to an NFC contender. The trade partner not only has to be a team in "win now" mode but one with the draft capital to satisfy GB that's also willing to pony up 110M for 1 or 2 years max of work including 60M in cash up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post football guy Posted March 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2023 21 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said: Correct. Thought that was obvious. But someone is clearly sensitive, for no apparent reason. Which would be you. R-E-L-A-X. I tagged you once. Clearly a mistake. My apologies. It's been a long weekend and there have been multiple people tagging me for ridiculous reasons, and confuse who is saying what Here is what is going on: Jets and Packers pretty much agreed on the basic compensation: 2nd + conditional + a player for Rodgers. Jets want the Packers to take on more money + send an additional Day 3 pick whereas the Packers want the Jets to take on more money otherwise send more compensation. If/when Rodgers is traded, the Packers lose an additional $8.7 million and would be on their books for $40.3 million in 2023 instead of $31.6 million if he's on the roster. The Jets wanted them to take on more money by restructuring his contract and converting some of the option bonus into a signing/roster bonus. My guess is the Jets would cave on this (if they haven't already), but would want a Day 3 pick thrown in. The Packers don't want to take on any more money in the Rodgers deal. In fact, they want the Jets to take on money for Corey Davis. The Jets can do that by converting $9.4 million into a guaranteed salary/bonus, in which case he would only be on the books for $1.1 million for the Packers. If not, the Packers want the Jets to add value to the deal, which the Jets think is BS since they had the basic parameters in place. The Jets feel its the Packers responsibility to renegotiate Davis contract, not theirs, but the Packers see it as a way to get a good player under contract for virtually nothing (and would seemingly "make up" for the $8.7 million additional loss they take on for trading Rodgers). There are also rumors that the Packers are playing hardball because they're annoyed with Rodgers and how he basically trashed them on the way out. Gutekunst never liked Rodgers but basically was forced into making nice with him, so this is his way of saying F u for all that you put me through. I don't know much from their perspective so hard to say whether that's real or not If there was a deadline to make a deal, they would figure it out. Right now there isn't any. My guess is it ultimately gets done at the owner's meeting next week. If not then, it can drag out until the draft until one or both sides cave. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 22 minutes ago, Saul Goodman said: Are we 100% certain that no other team could decide to make an offer for Rodgers while this negotiation drags out? Maybe not in the next few weeks but if we get closer to minicamp and TC I wonder if another team could also see him as their missing piece. Another team jumping into the mix is the biggest concern in my opinion. I don't think it's very likely given the financial costs, but it's not impossible, especially if there is a high profile injury to a quarterback in preseason/camp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 As tedious as this is, I think Joe Douglas is doing the right thing here by not caving. The irony is it could end up costing him his job. Because if Zach Wilson is QB'ing the team in '23, the 1JD "story wall" ends with him and Bobby getting fired on Black Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, football guy said: My apologies. It's been a long weekend and there have been multiple people tagging me for ridiculous reasons, and confuse who is saying what Here is what is going on: Jets and Packers pretty much agreed on the basic compensation: 2nd + conditional + a player for Rodgers. Jets want the Packers to take on more money + send an additional Day 3 pick whereas the Packers want the Jets to take on more money otherwise send more compensation. If/when Rodgers is traded, the Packers lose an additional $8.7 million and would be on their books for $40.3 million in 2023 instead of $31.6 million if he's on the roster. The Jets wanted them to take on more money by restructuring his contract and converting some of the option bonus into a signing/roster bonus. My guess is the Jets would cave on this (if they haven't already), but would want a Day 3 pick thrown in. The Packers don't want to take on any more money in the Rodgers deal. In fact, they want the Jets to take on money for Corey Davis. The Jets can do that by converting $9.4 million into a guaranteed salary/bonus, in which case he would only be on the books for $1.1 million for the Packers. If not, the Packers want the Jets to add value to the deal, which the Jets think is BS since they had the basic parameters in place. The Jets feel its the Packers responsibility to renegotiate Davis contract, not theirs, but the Packers see it as a way to get a good player under contract for virtually nothing (and would seemingly "make up" for the $8.7 million additional loss they take on for trading Rodgers). There are also rumors that the Packers are playing hardball because they're annoyed with Rodgers and how he basically trashed them on the way out. Gutekunst never liked Rodgers but basically was forced into making nice with him, so this is his way of saying F u for all that you put me through. I don't know much from their perspective so hard to say whether that's real or not If there was a deadline to make a deal, they would figure it out. Right now there isn't any. My guess is it ultimately gets done at the owner's meeting next week. If not then, it can drag out until the draft until one or both sides cave. As someone pointed out recently - what makes this more difficult is GB doesn't have an "owner" so Woody can't get a Jerry Jones on the line or face to face and say "let's just get this done...Let me bring Joe D in and you bring in your GM and the four of us finish this thing" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, football guy said: My apologies. It's been a long weekend and there have been multiple people tagging me for ridiculous reasons, and confuse who is saying what Here is what is going on: Jets and Packers pretty much agreed on the basic compensation: 2nd + conditional + a player for Rodgers. Jets want the Packers to take on more money + send an additional Day 3 pick whereas the Packers want the Jets to take on more money otherwise send more compensation. If/when Rodgers is traded, the Packers lose an additional $8.7 million and would be on their books for $40.3 million in 2023 instead of $31.6 million if he's on the roster. The Jets wanted them to take on more money by restructuring his contract and converting some of the option bonus into a signing/roster bonus. My guess is the Jets would cave on this (if they haven't already), but would want a Day 3 pick thrown in. The Packers don't want to take on any more money in the Rodgers deal. In fact, they want the Jets to take on money for Corey Davis. The Jets can do that by converting $9.4 million into a guaranteed salary/bonus, in which case he would only be on the books for $1.1 million for the Packers. If not, the Packers want the Jets to add value to the deal, which the Jets think is BS since they had the basic parameters in place. The Jets feel its the Packers responsibility to renegotiate Davis contract, not theirs, but the Packers see it as a way to get a good player under contract for virtually nothing (and would seemingly "make up" for the $8.7 million additional loss they take on for trading Rodgers). There are also rumors that the Packers are playing hardball because they're annoyed with Rodgers and how he basically trashed them on the way out. Gutekunst never liked Rodgers but basically was forced into making nice with him, so this is his way of saying F u for all that you put me through. I don't know much from their perspective so hard to say whether that's real or not If there was a deadline to make a deal, they would figure it out. Right now there isn't any. My guess is it ultimately gets done at the owner's meeting next week. If not then, it can drag out until the draft until one or both sides cave. This makes it sounds like the 2 sides aren't actually that far off. I see no mention of a 1st round pick which, if this report is accurate, means there isn't much to sweat from a fan POV other than the fatigue from all this. My guess is Gutenkunst / Murphy make some concessions before draft day and we can finally move on. But who knows how aggrieved the Packers feel towards Rodgers. Maybe they want to make him (and the Jets) sweat as long as possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falco21 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 51 minutes ago, Saul Goodman said: Are we 100% certain that no other team could decide to make an offer for Rodgers while this negotiation drags out? Maybe not in the next few weeks but if we get closer to minicamp and TC I wonder if another team could also see him as their missing piece. Who would? You would need to be able to afford him plus have the roster to support a 1-2 year run at a super bowl. Further, the Packers would be idiots to trade him in the NFC, so it would cut half the league out. If there was another suitor, it would have been out there already. Rodgers wants the Jets and the Packers have no other options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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