What are the signs an aging QB no longer has it?

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

I thought this might be an interesting topic as Rodgers enters his age 39 season.

The most obvious & somewhat painful decline I’ve witnessed was Peyton Manning losing his arm strength due to a chronic neck injury.

What have you seen in your career (lol) watching football?

We’ve seen Rivers, Ryan, Brady, Eli, Brees, Newton all say their goodbyes in recent years.  

1. Is it typically the arm strength .. like Peyton & Brees?

2. Does processing speed (or reflexes) begin to slow?

3. Does accuracy become an issue … from older, rustier parts?

[LAD_Brooklyn]

When they start playing like Zack Wilson, you know for sure they don't have it.

[sciond]

he comes to the Jets late in his career...

[jgb]

Some guys just lose interest since the elite can play for 20 years if their bodies hold up

[Barry McCockinner]

When they accept an analyst/broadcaster position at CBS sports?

[PepPep]

10 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

I thought this might be an interesting topic as Rodgers enters his age 39 season.

The most obvious & somewhat painful decline I’ve witnessed was Peyton Manning losing his arm strength due to a chronic neck injury.

What have you seen in your career (lol) watching football?

We’ve seen Rivers, Ryan, Brady, Eli, Brees, Newton all say their goodbyes in recent years.  

1. Is it typically the arm strength .. like Peyton & Brees?

2. Does processing speed (or reflexes) begin to slow?

3. Does accuracy become an issue … from older, rustier parts?

I mean, you nailed the obvious ones. 

Arm strength declines, processing speed declines, accuracy declines (in part from decline of arm strength and processing speed). 

I will add mobility, ability to 'take a hit' and/or ability to stay healthy. All of these decline as you get older. 

[Bowles Movement]

I think the desire to stand in there and take a hit declines as they become 40 and wealthy beyond imagination. 

If they have injuries, then that can effect their arm strength and accuracy but besides Peyton and maybe Big Ben I don't know of another example of that.  The way the NFL now protects QBs helps for sure.

Mostly I think they get comfortable in their life and figure its time to move on while theyre still able to walk.

[Warfish]

1. Physical breakdown, injuries and missed time

2. Turnovers, increases in interceptions and fumbles

3. Inaccuracy, declines in completion percentage, increases in failure to convert 3rd downs, slower on-field play processing (lined to #2 above as well).

[jgb]

17 minutes ago, Warfish said:

1. Physical breakdown, injuries and missed time

2. Turnovers, increases in interceptions and fumbles

3. Inaccuracy, declines in completion percentage, increases in failure to convert 3rd downs, slower on-field play processing (lined to #2 above as well).

And competitive desire.

[THE BARON]

hmm...

leads me to another question.

what are the sings of a young qb that never had it to begin with ???

jets fans should be experts at that question. 

 

[Jetsfan80]

59 minutes ago, sciond said:

he comes to the Jets late in his career...

[Jetsfan80]

24 minutes ago, jgb said:

And competitive desire.

I.E. low t?

 

@The Crusher

[win4ever]

Arm strength, especially off-platform.  I don't think the mental processing takes much of a dip, it's the fact that you can't really attack the same windows because you don't have the arm strength to get the ball to the receiver before the window closes.  I think you can see it where safeties make a lot of plays on deep passes because the QB is lofting the ball to achieve distance and compensate for velocity loss.  

Ball placement also suffers, especially on crossing routes.  You'll see more receivers either slow down or reach back for balls because the zip isn't there on the ball.  Offenses tend to adjust for this (especially in zone defense), which then impacts yards after the catch.  

Injuries of course, somewhat self explanatory  

 

 

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, win4ever said:

Arm strength, especially off-platform. 

I never want to hear the term "off platform" ever again.

[CanadaSteve]

1) Forgetfulness

2) Lack of social engagement

3) Loss of appetite

4) Feelings of despondency

5) Bedwetting 

 

[chirorob]

Super model wife divorces him due to "poor performance "

[Joe W. Namath]

1. Is it typically the arm strength .. like Peyton & Brees? Test and HGH - Rodgers will be fine.

2. Does processing speed (or reflexes) begin to slow? Adderall - Rodgers will be fine.

3. Does accuracy become an issue … from older, rustier parts? See 1 and 2 - Rodgers will be fine.

[JustInFudge]

2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

1. Is it typically the arm strength .. like Peyton & Brees? Test and HGH - Rodgers will be fine.

2. Does processing speed (or reflexes) begin to slow? Adderall - Rodgers will be fine.

3. Does accuracy become an issue … from older, rustier parts? See 1 and 2 - Rodgers will be fine.

Pretty much but in Rodgers case it's ayahuasca and micro-dosing to keep him fresh. 

[Larz]

[LockeJET]

300 million in their bank account and already won a Super Bowl or multiples is when the decline starts. 

[varjet]

Whatever these signs are, if Rodgers is playing for the Jets in 2024 we will see them.  Maybe we will see them in 2023. 

[Bronx]

[Sammybighead]

He serves his teammates orange slices at halftime. 

[More Cowbell]

2 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

I thought this might be an interesting topic as Rodgers enters his age 39 season.

The most obvious & somewhat painful decline I’ve witnessed was Peyton Manning losing his arm strength due to a chronic neck injury.

What have you seen in your career (lol) watching football?

We’ve seen Rivers, Ryan, Brady, Eli, Brees, Newton all say their goodbyes in recent years.  

1. Is it typically the arm strength .. like Peyton & Brees?

2. Does processing speed (or reflexes) begin to slow?

3. Does accuracy become an issue … from older, rustier parts?

[Creepy Lurker]

Erectile dysfunction.

[Jets Things]

The last thing to go for an old boxer is the power. The last thing to go for an old QB is processing speed. 

[HighPitch]

when he produces bad numbers the year before. 

 

so aaron is not in that category

[slats]

53 minutes ago, JiF said:

Pretty much but in Rodgers case it's ayahuasca and micro-dosing to keep him fresh. 

If you don’t have a personal shaman on speed-dial, you’re behind the times. Even more so than the term, “speed-dial.”

[JohnnyLV]

The reality is that almost all QBs not named Brady completely fall off a cliff sometime between 38 and 40. We are really betting a lot of Rodgers decline last year not being a sign of what's to come.

[bitonti]

When they lose to Zach Wilson (!) at home

 

When they get outdueled by Jared Goff at home with a trip to the playoffs on the line

 

[slats]

23 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

The reality is that almost all QBs not named Brady completely fall off a cliff sometime between 38 and 40. We are really betting a lot of Rodgers decline last year not being a sign of what's to come.

He was averaging 7.4 ypa with a 98 passer rating thru five games before he broke the thumb at the end of the Giants game. Then he fell off to 6.8 and 91. It was bothering him thru December. 

15 minutes ago, bitonti said:

When they lose to Zach Wilson (!) at home

That was his first game after breaking his thumb. 

[bitonti]

25 minutes ago, slats said:

That was his first game after breaking his thumb. 

what's the excuse for laying an egg against the great Jared Goff in Week 18? 

[Lurker89]

Joining the NYJ

 

 

 

 

C'mon i had to...??

[OilfieldJet]

2 hours ago, Creepy Lurker said:

Erectile dysfunction.

Beat me to it. Cialis. 

[slats]

15 minutes ago, bitonti said:

what's the excuse for laying an egg against the great Jared Goff in Week 18? 

Lions started the year 1-6, finished 8-2, and now they’re the darlings of NFL media for this season, so that surge probably has something to do with it. 
 
Goff finished the year with over 4400 yards and a TD:int ratio of 29:7. Maybe he’s not your mother’s Jared Goff.