Lith Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 No reason to ever return a kick unless it is late in game (or half) and you need a big play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Times change. Like the timers in MLB, lets hope this is a good change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slimjasi Posted May 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2023 what is the point of this? I legitimately don't understand what the argument for this even is. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Dumb. Lets just play madden on xbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, slimjasi said: what is the point of this? I legitimately don't understand what the argument for this even is. my guess? moar offense good. kick returns baaaad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Lith said: No reason to ever return a kick unless it is late in game (or half) and you need a big play. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. A potentially very exciting part of the game is reduced to a fair catch. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrcoops Posted May 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2023 The end of the kickoff return, and not good news for guys who earn their roster spot on special teams. If you are a kick returner or a gunner, your value to your team just went way down. 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Is there any data to suggest that this would appreciably improve "player safety?" The players still have to play tackle football after the kickoff is over, right? The game isn't suddenly two-hand touch now, is it? I don't know - I don't get it. If kickoffs are so dangerous, just remove them altogether. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 So many kickoffs go into the end zone anyway so its not a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, slimjasi said: just remove them altogether. They pretty much have. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted May 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Is there any data to suggest that this would appreciably improve "player safety?" The players still have to play tackle football after the kickoff is over, right? The game isn't suddenly two-hand touch now, is it? I don't know - I don't get it. If kickoffs are so dangerous, just remove them altogether. It’s a dangerous play for just about everyone on the field running at full speed in the opposite directions. They’ve been trying to minimize that danger without completely eliminating the play. This is basically an extension of the rule putting touchbacks on the 25 instead of the 20. Now, special teams coordinators can’t try to kick it high and short of the goal line to force a return (like Westoff used to love to do), because returners will now be able to raise their hand, catch the ball, and have it on the 25. It’s one step closer to eliminating the play altogether. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Just now, slats said: It’s a dangerous play for just about everyone on the field running at full speed in the opposite directions. They’ve been trying to minimize that danger without completely eliminating the play, this is basically an extension of the rule putting touchbacks on the 25 instead of the 20. Now, special teams coordinators can’t try to kick it high and short of the goal line to force a return (like Westoff used to love to do), because returners will now be able to raise their hand, catch the ball, and have it on the 25. It’s one step closer to eliminating the play altogether. I assume there is data somewhere showing that kickoffs are appreciably more dangerous than other plays? (I'm genuinely curious in seeing it if it exists) But yea, not a fan. This misguided quest to make the game safer at all costs is hurting the quality of the product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Well the good news is finding an outstanding punter is kind of irrelevant now. You just need to get a guy that van kick the ball inside the 25 yards between the the goal and 25 yard line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, slimjasi said: I assume there is data somewhere showing that kickoffs are appreciably more dangerous than other plays? (I'm genuinely curious in seeing it if it exists) But yea, not a fan. This misguided quest to make the game safer at all costs is hurting the quality of the product. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Just now, Barry McCockinner said: If by, concussion rate, they mean that there will be 15% fewer concussions in the NFL, then color me highly skeptical. But I guess we'll see. Still not a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 This is no big deal. I think people will still take off when they have a chance. I don't think it'll have nearly the impact as many of you believe. This is mostly a non-issue. F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Yeah. It's a super dangerous play. They're probably working towards completely changing or eliminating the play altogether. My only gripe is the onside kick. I like it. I'd like the opportunity to get the ball back to still be present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Blast Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Well the good news is finding an outstanding punter is kind of irrelevant now. You just need to get a guy that van kick the ball inside the 25 yards between the the goal and 25 yard line. Deleted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 I'm not sure if there's a more exciting play in the game than returning a KO for a TD. Guess I'll be stuck watching Leon Washington on YouTube for the foreseeable future.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted May 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2023 44 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Is there any data to suggest that this would appreciably improve "player safety?" The players still have to play tackle football after the kickoff is over, right? The game isn't suddenly two-hand touch now, is it? I don't know - I don't get it. If kickoffs are so dangerous, just remove them altogether. It's a way for the NFL to pretend like they care about player safety when they clearly don't. They'll ban kickoffs but still allow for teams to play on 4-days rest. And guess what! This year several teams out there will do that more than once, maybe even 3x, thanks to TNF flex scheduling! 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 So the rule only applies when you catch the ball before it touches the ground. Some kicker is eventually going to figure out how to kick a low kickoff that bounces away from the returner(s) and forces the ball into play with better net result than the 25 yard line. Maybe not this year, but it will happen and it will bring back the joy of kickoffs for a few weeks until the NFL legislates it away again. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: It's a way for the NFL to pretend like they care about player safety when they clearly don't. They'll ban kickoffs but still allow for teams to play on 4-days rest. And guess what! This year several teams out there will do that more than once, maybe even 3x, thanks to TNF flex scheduling! yep. maybe they'll further change the rule so the receiver doesn't even have to catch the ball, just put his hand up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, rangerous said: yep. maybe they'll further change the rule so the receiver doesn't even have to catch the ball, just put his hand up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, nycdan said: So the rule only applies when you catch the ball before it touches the ground. Some kicker is eventually going to figure out how to kick a low kickoff that bounces away from the returner(s) and forces the ball into play with better net result than the 25 yard line. Maybe not this year, but it will happen and it will bring back the joy of kickoffs for a few weeks until the NFL legislates it away again. 2024: "NFL owners approve motion to start all possessions subsequent to a score at the 25 yard line" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Stupid. Now a kicker good at squibs is more valuable than a guy with a big leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy and the Jets Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Makes sense to me. They want to minimize kickoff returns and changed the rule on kicks through the end zone to the 25 yard line. Then special team coaches realized they better come up with something so they circumvented the effect by kicking it short. Now the NFL has negated that so special teams will coach to squib kick them at which point the NFL will change the rule that a fair catch can be made on those as well. They don't want returns, the risk of injury is greater on those plays and the difference in the games are negligible unless you are playing the Jets in which case you've given up a pretty big advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 31 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: Stupid. Now a kicker good at squibs is more valuable than a guy with a big leg. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Soft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 The pussification of the game continues...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: what is the point of this? I legitimately don't understand what the argument for this even is. Role players get paid much less if they aren't scoring touchdowns on kickoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Lith said: No reason to ever return a kick unless it is late in game (or half) and you need a big play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Well the good news is finding an outstanding punter is kind of irrelevant now. You just need to get a guy that van kick the ball inside the 25 yards between the the goal and 25 yard line. Unless the punter can corner the kick out of bounds .. good punters are still valuable Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Seems like Squib kicks are going to become extremely common. Belichick will come up with someway to skirt the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 11 hours ago, slimjasi said: what is the point of this? I legitimately don't understand what the argument for this even is. I am not certain but originally I had read (years ago) the kickoff concerns were injury related. All those guys running full speed ahead, that has to be a concern. And I think that is why they are doing this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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